jhamslam Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Summary of changes Changes to Bless Weapons, Divine Light New Priest Confirmed with a KNIGHT keyword Sigmarite shields lower rend by 1 Sequitors 5+ ward save for aetheric channeling Stardrake and LC on Dracoth always have azyrite halo Heaven-wrought Armour, Drakescale Armour Change to: ‘Add 1 to save rolls for attacks that target the bearer that have damage greater than 1. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schwabbele Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Marcvs said: The first I have read and I already hate it 🤷♂️ Complete BS and GW can go f**k themselves with their greedy attitude. Yeah sure I am gonna buy 4 armies and paint them differently... 6 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrometheus Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Marcvs said: FAQs are up. The first I have read and I already hate it 🤷♂️ 8 minutes ago, schwabbele said: Complete BS and GW can go f**k themselves with their greedy attitude. Yeah sure I am gonna buy 4 armies and paint them differently... Stupid nonsensical garbage. I'm not buying/painting 14 different Stormcast armies just so I can swap stormhosts LOL Anybody who tries to enforce this nonsense is going to get laughed at and nobody should participate in their tournaments. Nothing but sheer greed. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixieproxy Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Very much feels like trying to enforce space marine culture onto AoS tbh. I don't think anyone other than SM players even care, I've seen so many eldar Biel-tan painted armies be played as something else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystycalchemy Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) To be fair, they do say all you have to do is get your opponent's permission. So if you tell your opponent (or the tournament organizer) "This is my army (painted like the Hammers) and it's Anvils of the Heldenhammer," and they say ok, then thats it. I'm pretty sure they had this rule last edition. Edit: yeah, this commentary question is, word for word, just copied from the last edition core rules faq. Nothing's changed since then about that so no need to worry. Edited July 2, 2021 by mystycalchemy Verification of FAQ 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, mystycalchemy said: To be fair, they do say all you have to do is get your opponent's permission. So if you tell your opponent (or the tournament organizer) "This is my army (painted like the Hammers) and it's Anvils of the Heldenhammer," and they say ok, then thats it. I'm pretty sure they had this rule last edition. Edit: yeah, this commentary question is, word for word, just copied from the last edition core rules faq. Nothing's changed since then about that so no need to worry. yeah i dont think anyone is gonna be THAT a-hole. but this is warhammer and ive seen how WAAC some dudes get Edited July 2, 2021 by jhamslam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrometheus Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, mystycalchemy said: To be fair, they do say all you have to do is get your opponent's permission. So if you tell your opponent (or the tournament organizer) "This is my army (painted like the Hammers) and it's Anvils of the Heldenhammer," and they say ok, then thats it. I'm pretty sure they had this rule last edition. Edit: yeah, this commentary question is, word for word, just copied from the last edition core rules faq. Nothing's changed since then about that so no need to worry. I didn't realize that. Then we're good lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stus67 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) Bit of an overreaction to a gentlemen's agreement that's been around since forever, don't y'all think? Literally nobody is going to cry over silver painted anvils or green hammers. That being said I wonder how much of these FAQ changes are going to be present in the new battletome. If oldcast are going to a 3+ save AND get -1 Rend shields then that's pretty sweet. I'm not sure how I feel about charged sequitor shields being a 5+ ward in combat though. Edited July 2, 2021 by stus67 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrometheus Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, stus67 said: Bit of an overreaction to a gentlemen's agreement that's been around since forever, don't y'all think? Literally nobody is going to cry over silver painted anvils or green hammers. That being said I wonder how much of these FAQ changes are going to be present in the new battletome. If oldcast are going to a 3+ save AND get -1 Rend shields then that's pretty sweet. I'm not sure how I feel about charged sequitor shields being a 5+ ward in combat though. I think the 5+ ward is really good, because that works against mortal wounds, whereas re-rolling saves does not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosa Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 People don’t get it. These are no overreactions. This rule is just bollocks. I know people myself who will answer : I don’t allow it. This is a proxy! 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanfluflu Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 speaking of sequitor, that change on save rolls no longer being rerollable but the untit getting a ward instead is healthy for the game i think. The stormcast shields diminishing ren by 1 is great too, this is a change that i expected for th lord castellant to give for example, but we'll see how this chap' will change pretty soon i guess. I'm still sceptical about liberators/sequitors getting a 3+ save, they will outperform vindictor in this case and i don't see that coming from a capitalist point of view (GW want to sell their new models, they already got money from the old ones). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizrah Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, rosa said: People don’t get it. These are no overreactions. This rule is just bollocks. I know people myself who will answer : I don’t allow it. This is a proxy! Then don't play with such a dickhead lmao. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizrah Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, jeanfluflu said: i don't see that coming from a capitalist point of view (GW want to sell their new models, they already got money from the old ones). Jesus christ, how many times do i need to tell people that this doesn't work that way and never worked?????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 As to the Sequitor Change 5+ ward save is in some sense a lot better, since we can roll against mortal wounds or -2 , -3 rend damage even. But falls with multi damage weapons. I like it regardless, wish it was past combat tho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lengthster Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Sucks to not be able to reroll 1s to save on Sequitors outside of combat phase. Every little bit helps against shooting armies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stus67 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 17 minutes ago, rosa said: People don’t get it. These are no overreactions. This rule is just bollocks. I know people myself who will answer : I don’t allow it. This is a proxy! If they didn't do it last edition then they aren't going to do it this edition. That suggestion has been around since 2.0, and in 40k long before that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schwabbele Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Yes but just the fact that GW writes that down is bonkers. The Proxies I understand, but color schemes is just too much greed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanfluflu Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 17 minutes ago, Nizrah said: Jesus christ, how many times do i need to tell people that this doesn't work that way and never worked?????????? well in that case let me clarify. i didn't mean new models = better models. What i meant was new models had to bring something else to the table, they have to feel fresh and attractive. In that case giving them a 3+ save will justify them having a brand new armor to be consistent with the lore...etc and at the same time it will differenciate them from other stormcasts. I worked in video game for quite a long time, i don't throw that assumption in the void like this. Of course it is not the main reason things get done, of course there's nuance but in the end this factor has an influence on some rules. Keep in mind that this is pure speculation as well, i'm not working at GW studio and i don't know what the future would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Time for some memes for two weeks before the SCE tome. you can temporarily move after translocation 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 44 minutes ago, Nizrah said: Then don't play with such a dickhead lmao. that's for certain, but my fear when I saw this (and I am happy to see that this was already there before) was/is that some TOs might feel compelled to enforce such a stupid rule -it's not like I can pick and choose tournaments around here 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Marcvs said: that's for certain, but my fear when I saw this (and I am happy to see that this was already there before) was/is that some TOs might feel compelled to enforce such a stupid rule -it's not like I can pick and choose tournaments around here Atleast in the US GTs , i dont know any TOs who are THAT guy, theyre all super cool. But yeah this is something you cant leave to players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodos der Henker Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 for supported 40k tournaments, they have such rules for Marines as well they kind of have to say that the rules is in place (because it is an official GW tournament) but everyone is ignoring it with "don't ask, don't tell" sometimes I wish the community would ignore other FAQ/Errata that are just stupid as well but it is kind of strange as once you to play it word by word even if everyone agrees it is stupid, while on another stupid ruling you are "that guy" if you do (it is just hard to guess sometimes which one you should ignore) and the rules for colour shemes, GW tries now for 2 and a half Editions to enforce it for Space Marines and no one cares 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrometheus Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Kodos der Henker said: and the rules for colour shemes, GW tries now for 2 and a half Editions to enforce it for Space Marines and no one cares Because it's literally the most greedy "rule" imaginable. What's next, "did you get that army on eBay?? Disqualified!!" Thankfully TOs and players can just ignore this rubbish. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeElectrid Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Obvious caveats about new battletome aside, Dracothian stonks are up. 3+ save reduce rend by 1, x2 for scoring, units of 4 don’t care for coherency, and you can make them fly. Sequitors with a 5++ are 😘 just a shame about coherency in big units. A 10 might not be awful. Units of 5 are solid though and can threaten quite a lot. Prosecutors and Libs don’t do as well out of the shield change but -1 rend is much better than rr1s imho. Slight nerf to the stardrake but NBD. Cant believe they left the Arcanums Prime Electrids nonfunctional though. Sloppy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 50 minutes ago, PrimeElectrid said: Prosecutors and Libs don’t do as well out of the shield change but -1 rend is much better than rr1s imho. IF stormkeep rules stay the same, liberators might get to 3+ ignore 1 rend without spending cps, which is something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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