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But slanesh sumoning is allrigth and the kepper of secrets is overcosted and useless........... I guess slanesh players excuses have lost vs the truth of numbers. I hope gw do a serious balance with slanesh and verminlords

Yes i would have done that with ungrim,but dwarfs heros have 25 bases(new starter have the king with 32 when he was suposed tonbe 25) and thogrim had a bigger base,one of those oval of war machines. So i cant use him as proxy because people gonna argue that the base isnt even close. I was close to buy him when we had our made to order and play him as the dwarf king om throne of the index of dwarfs but finnally 50€ was too expensive for a small dwarf,20-30€ and i would buy him only due to collection

For me and my case it is 100% useless. Im a dwarf player,i started to play with aos and i loved dwarfs so i bougth them. Reading old fantasy codex i really liked thorgrim and ungrim and i would love have them,but i cant play them in aos. So even if i would get thogrim made to order because i love him,i wont pay 50€ for a human sized mini that i cant play in aos. Before people say the legend aos mode.........for me all out of matched play is nothing

Not related to what faction gonna be released but, with the brexxi and how the new eldar box have a cost of 180€. Maybe next battleforces have a increase to 180€ also? I hope not or i wont buy more if it isnt 100% warranted every unit on it

I tougth use my dragonlord as black dragon with dreadlord. The house anvilguard that let us choose one mount trait. The mount trait i choose is the same than magmadroths,at melle when we get one unsaved wound with a +4 we do back one mortal wound(so if tye enemy kill our dragon at melle we do around 7 mortal wounds back) Relic:the 5 special save(feel no pain) Warlord trait:the hero know one spell of anvilguard,and i choose the put a -1 hit to tye dragon or the put save of "-" to a enemy unit. So the dragon gonna have a save of 3 with 5save after save and with the spell a -1 to hit,also doing mortals back at melle. I really dont like anvilguard theme and abilitys but i think is the best for the dragon

Thanks but i have been seeing how i can use my deleted dragonlord\drakeseer and after read codex i think i never gonna use the sorceress. Im liking better the dreadlord on dragon,with the warlord trait that let him cast one spell,the relic of a 5++ and the mount trait of do mortal wounds back. I saw the spell of delete the save of a unit that while seem overpower,in a game it is pretty useless because being in hero phase and with 7" the enemy gonna run out of rangue allways. I tougth get the spell of -1 hit so the dragon can have better survivality

And 100% oposite to you we have others people who dont like the weird and ugly style of aos and love the old style of fantasy. So whats wrong in have as 20 aos armys with aos style and have one army with fantasy style for those us who dont like aos theme?

I saw the verminlord with the two hand lance,i dont remember the name and his damage was around 12 when the dragon does around 10 damage. Also save of 5 of dragon vs save of 4 of verminlord with 5 special save and a -1 to be hit if you choose it. And two spells from verminlord for 1 of dragon. What am i missin? Because i see better melle damage,9999999999 better survivality and double magic for same or less points

Maybe im blind or my maths are wrong but....... A fast glimpse to the sorceress in black dragon(300) vs any verminlord(220-280) and ........she is expensiver,worse melle damage,only one spell vs two of verminlord,a save of 5 vs a save of 4 with other special save of 5 and any also have a reroll saves. Maybe im wrong but isnt she as 100% worse in all than a verminlord and more expensive?

Yes,hammerers with king and drakes are good and gonna be played,and together to other race units we gonna have a good army. But my post was about a 100% dwarf army.

I dont know about humans or elfs,but dwarfs have been nerfed hard. To sumarice: We have lost our shield of reroll saves for a +1 save(a save of 4 rerrolling is a save of 2'5) so it is a nerf. We have lost the combo of two hand weapons and shield(that was needed) but this have come with a increase in points and not a reduction,that makes zero sense We have lost the banner of only loose the 50% of models with bravery faills for a +1 bravery,nerf We have lost the ignore spells on every unit with a 5+ for.......nothing We have lost the ignore rend of 1 with our armor for nothing in breacker case and a +1 save to rangued in drakes. So as you can see dwarfs units have been nerfed HARD and the points dont reflect those huge nerfs as every unit have got increase in points out of drakes and breackers. I hope elfs or humans get more luck because dwarfs have been done useless

I have been called negative many times those last months.........now after see those changues i only can think one thing: any in spain want buy my dispossesed army? This tome is a joke in our face,it havent almost nothing new,it is a compendiun of the fyrestorm alegiances(with almost 0 chamgues). Then add some relic and warlord trait an end. And for dispossesed? We get deleted the 40% of our army,ok.....lets wait for the tome.......then come the warscrolls where EVERY unit have been nerfed(ONLY hammerers have been buffed)........then come the points waiting see huge buffs because you know,dispossesed are a botton tier army and just get insane nerfs to tye scrolls,and what we have? Nerfs to every hero,nerfs to lomgbeards,no changue to hammerers, minor buff to breackers and nice buff to drakes. Im sorry if i have been negative in past but i really realy cant think straigth now. First they deleted half of my army and now they have deleted every icon playstyle of the army also. -reroll saves: lost -ignore spells on 5+: lost -only loose the 50% of models with morale:lost So this tome what have done?i know im being negative and this post gonna be deleted and i gonna be banned but i dont give a ****** at this point. This garbage tome only have deleted the 40% of the disposed army,have deleted every dwarf playstyle,have nerfed every unit in warscrolls and points. How heck any people can think that lomgbeards cost 110??????????? Have 10 wounds with save of 3 yes, but 10 attacks of 3-4-0-1 for 110? Any unit of 80 points do the same or better. Ironbreacker for 130 points when they have lost the ignore rend,the inore spells,the 50% models lost in morale? Heck 100 would be closer to balanced(liberators cost 100 with 10 wounds with save of 4 rerolling 1 and have more damage with the special weapons) The king now is great for melle units,but before he gave the +1 to wound to drakes that IS our damage unit and now not. In general i have lost every hope in gw after this,gonna try sell my army and never look behind. Only drakes and hammerers have been buffed,ALL our of those two units have been nerfed. Seems now only a full hammerers\drakes with kings buffing hammerers can be playable,no chance to use lomgbeard or breacker because they are useless Sorry again for all this rant post but i wont post never more so see you guys and i hope any of yours have fun playing with my loved dwarfs

Im sorry if i have been negative those two months after know that the 40% of my dwarfs have been deleted and the dragonlord and archmague that i used as allys have been deleted also. But that post was only clarify as work that deep strike and tell that TO ME that starter is horrible,i didnt said that is bad for others. A starter is allways great and a save of money and is rare get one so it is great,but even then a starter with two heroes is a bad design(that usually no other starter have out of weird kits as magmadroth that let you build multiple heroes) that dont incentive multiple buys of the starter. But even then is good because it should cost around 65€ i guess so you pay the ironbreacker and copters and get free heroes

That isnt a skill of ironbreackers. Right now you can field dispossesed in a living city alegiance and enter to the game in flanks or forests. So nothing new. Also that starter is horrible to me,because i got two of the firestorms box(had 2xironbreackers boxes,1xgyrocopter and 1xking) so this starter have zero interest to me,i would have prefered longbeards. Also no word about the deleted units

It is pretty easy to see how people are angry\annoyee by how gw is dealing with cos. First a short anouncement more than 2 months ago and since then 0 new info,but meanwhile we get previews and instarelease next week of marines(why 999999999999999 maries isnt enough) Also we get deleted as the 40% of dwarfs units and 75% of high elfs units(i dont know about others)with 0 words of gw after a we gonna say in future what units gonna be deleted(and they deleted them with 0 words said) I dont know others but i myself i would have prefered no preview and get a real release. I guess gw dont give a ****** about old world armys and players,so they continue deleting our units and giving us this poor treatment meanwhile we get more golden marines(stormcast), and again a new death army

A cost of 520is way way wayyyy overcosted,around 350-400 would be the number. Have around 12-16 damage output Have as 13 real wounds (when we take the 3++ in count then goes from 8 to 13) Move of 4" So we have models as stardrake or allariele with around this cost,that does around this damage,have more wounds,a better save of 3, have 14-16" move and free sumon or rangued mortal wound output. So who think 520 points is cheap dont have idea about maths because every model of 520 points have way way way better stats than him. Heck even a verminlord for 240 points have better stats than gotrek

Hnnnn i think he is pretty overcosted,his cost would be around 350-400 With that cost units as stardrake or alarielle do around the same damage,same wounds(if we take in count the 3++ would be around 13 wounds with 4 save).but those units have special rules as free sumon,spells and have a move of 12-16" Dont take me wrong,he is a beast,but 520 points is way way way overcosted for a model with 4" move

Yes i agree with you,but i wont delete and trash my lovely units only because gw are jerks. So i hope can play with people that dont mind if i proxy dwarf warriors as longbeards(years ago,this warrior kit was for longbeards also) and the high elf dragonlord as dark elf black dragon(both are elfs in dragon) Something as dragonlord as the phoenyx or grifon seem hard visually,or warriors as phoenyx guard per example

Its a shame but seems its true and dispossesed have lost the warriors forever together the quarreler\thunderers

Hnnn why is insulting and ignorant call noob to someone that loose against fyreslayers?it is 100% the true. Fyreslayer have 4" move that is doubled by every other army,so if you know this and know that fyreslayers are very good at melle it is easy to think that you can easily win them only playing objetives and kiting them.also they need heroes to be decent Now a noob-novice-people that dont know this-call it as you want if you dont like noob,gonna try go melle and delete fyreslayers units ignoring heroes etc Then he gonna loose and blame fyreslayers are op when the true is that they are a tier2 army but he lost due to be a noob and dont know how play against them. So i said slanesh is the most broken army now,they havent any counterplay and dont matter what do you do,it is autoloose. The counter to slanesh is kill the heroes before they can sumon,now you cant do this at melle due to how broken is the locust. So slanesh counter is only a full rangued army that can delete at turn1 every slanesh hero or a army that have allways atack first habilitys. If a army havent any of those is a 100% autowin to slanesh,dont matter how skilled be the player

Yes fyreslayers are op and are inmortall.....but the datas show that fyreslayer have won 1!!!!!!(that they didnt win,they ranked 3-4 on killing and objetives,only due to paint points and players behavious they finished 1)tournament. In the same time slanesh have won 4 tournaments,so it is easy to see how fyreslayers are VERY easy to counter and only noobs loose against them,but slanesh have zero counterplay and are easy to play so they are the best army rigth now

My idea about the book is that gonna be as goblins book.where they have one alegiance skill for trolls,goblins,spiders etc. We gonna get one alegiance with bonus to elfs,diferent bonus to dwarfs,humans etc and then we choose one city as tesmpest eye that gives us extra skills and so, same style that lodges for fyreslayers per example. Btw im thinking what use gonna have my dragonlord if gonna be deleted,proxy of stardrak seems imposible due to smaller base,i guess a dark elf black dragon is the most similar model? Also i dont get as dragonlord is being deleted but black dragon no

Yes that is free,or a model as the arch regent that cost 200(before the nerf) and 240 now. Bring 200 points of gouls free,if it isnt free then for 240 points we have 200 points of gouls + a hero with stats of a 120 points hero and casting two spell So yes the sumon is free or per example with sumon integrated in the cost the arch regent would cost as 400 point and not only 240

Ok i said random numbers. I chequed data now. Before start with order,destruction etc that it is imposible to know if have or not free sumon we have the top 15. From those 15 we have 10 armys with free sumon ,2 armys with 0 sumon and 3 armys with access to sumons or revive models as stormcast,nighthaunt or idoneths. So the 67% have free sumon, the 20% have acess to revive models and only 13% havent free sumon neither revive models. So it sems the numbers that i said wasnt wrong. Of course on any of those armys as skaven the free sumon have little impact,but the point is that they have it.as stormcasts bring models back or idoneth bring tralls back. Only fyreslayers and dok in all the top 15 have 0 free models in form of free sumon or revive I got honestwargamers data for reference Fec--have as 400-1000 free sumons units Lon--bring back many times per game a full unit of 300-400 points Skavens--it isnt big,but have spells and so to sumon models Dok--havent free sumon but is there due to be underpriced and have broken auras Slanesh--the most broken free sumon at this moment Blades of khorne--have free sumon and very strongth but some prefer instead spend it on buffs Tzenth--free sumon that is more strength with more spells being cast Idoneths--havent impact but can bring back d3 tralls per turn or 3+d3 with a batallion Stormcast--again isnt relevant but can revive one model each turn Nurgle--more free sumon as every demon Beast of khaos-- have free units also Goblins--bring back basic goblins Nighthaunt--little summon,but can bring back some models Fyreslayers--0000 free units Silvaneth--many free units and trees

Have the 40% of your expensive and loved army deleted by gw and try not be negative