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On the other hand, they said they will be moving these models to Legends next year. So, here's something I'm wondering: does the stuff in Legends really receive updates? I haven't checked the app, but the last PDF warscrolls for Legends models available on WHC are from 2021. Have there been further updates for these models in the app?

Could I have a source, please? Because that's not what the article on Warhammer Community said a few days ago.

Well, not exactly. When it comes to SCE, what GW said is that the squatted units will receive an free PDF supplement with updated rules. Which is fair. But next year, they will be moved to Legends (maybe with some final rebalancing) and then... it's over. No more updates. So, how long until using these units will become impossible to play with due to further rule changes, balance issues etc.? And, honestly speaking, I don't understand why they cannot keep the PDF supplement thing going... Producing tons of miniatures is costly, I get it. So I could live with GW declaring that the Sacrosanct models won't be produced anymore - so long as they kept providing rules for them. So that people who had them wouldn't be losing anything. Instead, we'll get one update and... that's it for the Sacrosanct. Of course, the PR people at GW keep telling "We're encouring you to keep using these models", but... how are we supposed to do it? By homebrewing rules for them? Seriously, would it be that hard for GW to maintain 10 more warscrolls?

My personal opinion on the effects of the new cull: Stormcast Eternals - this is just... stupid and unfair. Many of the removed models are relatively new and good-looking. What's the point of nixing them? If GW thinks there are too many SCE units for the faction to be manageable, then... sorry, it's on them, as it was them who kept releasing new waves of SCE with each edition. People spent money and time on these models - just nixing them to make room for new stuff is heavily disrespectful toward the client base. Again, it's real money we're talking about here. When it comes to me, I've lost 15 Sequitors, 2 Ballistas, 6 Castigators, 2 mounted Lord-Arcanums, 1 Knight-Incantor and 1 Knight-Venator. Which is, I think, around 200 GBP of purchases. And nearly 1/4 of my monthly wage. Should I ask GW for compensation or something? Not to mention, I genuinely like these models... Slaves to Darkness - here I lost 3 Warcry warbands along with 1 WHU team. Which is nearly another 100 GBP lost... Plus, this decision is, IMHO, very poor conceptually - I planned on using the Warcry warbands to give colour to my StD army. I was aiming for a wild, disorganized, flavourful army consisting of barbarians, heavy troops, kung-fu sorcerers, weirdo spider mutants etc. I was really stoked about the upcoming Darkoath box, as it would've tied all of this very neatly. Instead, GW will give us the Darkoath... which are awesome... but they will take away the colourful cultists. And the StD are back to the old, boring, strictly barbarians + armoured goons flavour. And my interest in this army suddenly drops a by a huge degree... And I have even made a custom female Chaos Lord and a custom Chaos Sorcerer for this army... Skaven - here I won't comment, as it seems that GW is going for a wide range refresh. I just cannot imagine them dropping the Clanrats or the Storm Vermin completely... I suspect they will be back. So, no harm done (at least for me). I'll just try selling my unassembled metal Skaven (there's a market for those) and I'll pray that my plastic Warpfire Throwers from Isle of Blood are still usable. Beast of Chaos - this is just... sad and arrogant. "You can still use them! Just go play a different game!". Sheesh. On Bonesplitterz I can't comment, as I'm not familiar with that army at all. Overall, all of this is really... alienating. GW really feels like an abusive company to me right now. I could just barely stand them releasing battletomes (20+ GBP each) and, then, declaring them obsolute a month later... but now, they are having people spend money on costly models, only to nix them? I'm honestly wondering if I can stomach supporting company like that anymore. And yes, I do understand the need for range refreshes, but... just look at how Corvus Belli does that. They keep updating their Infinity models all the time, but they aren't usually nixing troops completely. They just release better models to represent them - and, if you don't to buy the new versions, there's no problem. BTW. A sidenote: I shudder to think what the new battletomes will look like. The 10th edition codexes for WH40K actually are unreadable for me, as they us a 6 pts font on many pages. If GW goes this way with the AoS books, then... I won't even be able to read the battletomes. Darn...

Honestly speaking, I don't know what to do. I'm totally heartbroken by yesterday's news. GW nixed some of my favourite Stormcast minis *and* destroyed my concept for a colourful, varied, fun Slaves to Darkness army. I'm depressed as heck and I'm considering dropping both AoS and WH40K altogether.

Thanks! That solves the dilemma for me. The Vindictors from the Dominion box are a battleline, right? And they can be fielded in units of 5. So, 2x 5 Vindictors + 2x 5 Vanquishers solves my battleline needs. Out you go, boring Liberators and Judicators Unless we know that there would be reason to using them, even with the new battlelines available..? BTW. Vindictors, Vanquishers, Vigilors... what's next? Validators, Vulkanors, Vestals?

Guys, a question, if you don't mind I checked the current point values for HoS and I noticed that almost all of the units became more costly than before. The Blissbarbs costs 180 points now... What do you think? Good thing, bad thing? I remember that a few months ago some of you mentioned they felt GW needs to change the HoS point values - but I'm not sure if the expected change was for them to cost more or *less*?

Hello folks! I have a general question about WH vampires Is there any particular reason why all of them seem to be so tall? I recently assembled both the new Vampire Lord and Lady Annika and I noticed they seem to be taller than the average human being (I'm using the Slaaneshi archers as the human baseline). Is this purely a style choice on GW's part, or is there some fluff explanation for this? ... and yes, me assembling these minis means I've started collecting the Soulblight army. My sixth AoS army, yay! 🤪

Guys, I have a question: Do you think that the upcoming new SCE units, Vanquishers and Vigilors, will be considered battlelines? I'm asking, as I have unassembled boxes of Liberators and Judicators - units I mostly needed for battleline purposes. But the new swordsmen and archers look much better - so, if they are to be battleline units, I'll happily sell those unassembled models. I've already decided to sell my unassembled Paladins, as Annihilators are more to my liking...

From what my friend told me, the AoS app does go full screen on the tablet, but in a way where the text size and other elements remain the same as on a phone - it's just that more stuff gets packed onto the screen. For example, if the warscroll menu has two "boxes" per row on the phone, it has four or five on the tablet. But the size of the boxes remains the same. Can you confirm it works the same on your iPad?

True, but reading a digital book on a big, wide and *stable* PC screen is completely different that reading it on a tablet (something you need to actively keep at your eyes' focus point) with a highly reflective screen. Or, even worse - not a tablet, but a small screen of a mobile phone. I can tell you from my personal experience that I have trouble using most of the apps on my phone for a prolonged time. Be it browsing the web, accessing Facebook... it really puts strain on my eyes. Even if the font size is acceptable, it's just painful for me for some reason, if I do it too much. And the font isn't really acceptable for me in GW's apps.... Not sure about the digital books, but the main apps? Can't use them, everything is just too small. I tried, but I can't do it. I need to note that this particular thing (text in the apps remaining at the same effective size on phones and tablets) is something I'm not 100% sure about. I couldn't fully test it, as I don't own a tablet and I couldn't visit a friend who owns one due to the pandemic and the need for social distancing. I talked with him on the phone, I asked him to install the AoS app on his tablet and to take measures of the text size and other elements... And from what he told me, the text and other things were at the same size on his tablet as on my phone... But no, I cannot say I compared things personally, with two different devices next to each other. So... who knows, maybe I'm wrong? Actually, this would be an interesting to check. Does anyone here have a decent-sized tablet and could take the exact measures of the text etc. on their device? Maybe there *is* some rescaling in place after all.... Also, there's one possible workaround: Android emulators. You need to be careful with this software, as some emulators available online seem to contain spyware, but BlueStacks is considered safe and good. And you can use it to run Android apps on Windows... including GW's apps. Although the results aren't perfect, as these apps weren't really designed to be operated with a PC mouse. Still, this is one solution, if everything else fails. It doesn't solve the issue of small print in GH2021 or on accessories such a warscroll cards, though... Ha! I'm still a newbie to all of this, so I can't say I have any solutions to offer. When I play and cannot see clearly, I just lean forward and try not to fall on the game table Speaking of things I find amazing, I'm amazed with people who seem to have developed ability to accurately measure distances just by looking at the table. I've noticed it when I played Infinity with an experienced player... Infinity, being a shooting-focused game, has these weapon profiles, where weapons' effectiveness differs at various distances. And the guy I played with not only remembered these stats for different types of weapons by heart, but was also able to look at the table and go: "Your trooper is about 7'' from mine and uses a shotgun, so the skill value for the shooting check is...". Huh.

Uhm..,. the company's? Because they are making the product and it's both their duty and in their best interest to design products that can be used comfortably by as many customers as possible? Also, let me rephrase what you just said: "I'm confused what these wheelchair-bound people want the city council to do. Which of these has a greater burden: a city which has so many services to spend money for already and will have trouble finding funds for adding all that wheelchair-friendly infrastructure - or the wheelchair users who can simply find a wheelchair model that works well in a city enviroment?" I apologize any wheelchair-bound people who read this: it's not my intent to say my eyesight problems are the same burden as not being able to walk. I'm just trying to show similarities in thinking... Actually, I noted earlier in this thread that I *could* use earlier GW books. Yeah, I wasn't happy with the font size, but I learned to live with it. The problem with GH2021 is that the font is much, much smaller than in those earlier books. Have you actually seen that book? As for audiobooks etc... uhm, actually, yes - one of the reasons audiobooks are popular is because blind people can use them. And good publishers think of such stuff. Taking "every possible disability" into account would probably be impossible. But moving toward that is desirable. Also, not printing books in a font size used for medical leaflets is not "taking every disability into account". It's simply following the common sense and *what is known about human physiology*. Please, read on book design and publishing industry's good practices. As for "cheaper and easier solution"... riiiiiiiiiiiight. 🤨

See, this is exactly the kind of answer I keep hearing whenever this issue comes up. And I find it annoying and, frankly, disrespectful. Yes, I do have issues with my eyesight and I've been wearing glasses all my life. And there is a possibility that, as I get older, my eyes are getting weaker. Still, my eyesight isn't really that bad and I do know my limits. And I'm pretty sure that, when I have trouble reading the print on the warscroll cards and in GH2021, it's not just because I'm getting poor-sighted, but because that print is objectively too small. There is an actual science to these things, you know? Talk to any book editor / designer who knows their stuff and they'll tell you that there are recommended limits on font size, fonts known to be easy on the eyes etc. It's not like an average human being can read anything and it's just unfortunate poor-sighted people who have problems. Sometimes, the print is just too small, period. I invite you to take GH2021, go to a mainstream bookstore and compare the print in GH2021 to the novels there. I'm willing to bet you won't find any novel with such a small print. And there's a reason for that... Incidentally, I'll agree with that: aside from the font size issue, the design is really cool. I'd be happy to compliment GW for that. It's just... I can't read the darned thing 😵 Similarly, I'd love to use the warscroll cards - instead of printing warscrolls myself. But again, I just can't decipher them due to the font. Good idea, good design, but zero practical usability for me. And the apps... ack, the apps. If GW implements a zoom feature in them (it wasn't there when I checked and is still not there the last I've heard) or font choice option, I'll subscribe to Warhammer+ immediately. But with the apps being as they are... *sigh* I asked my friend to install them on a tablet - and even there, the font stayed the same as on my phone. If anyone has some idea how to make these apps run with a bigger font, I'll be glad to hear it... I took the time today to raise the issue (politely) on GW's online chat. I'll be also sending an e-mail with my feedback to them. I'll definitely try to be polite and constructive - I know how this works, I actually work in customer service and talk to clients. I know that even negative feedback gets treated seriously, if it's not full of... colourful language True - and that's a part of the problem... It removes an option from people - and some people *need* such an option to use these products at all.

You're obviously an aelf or something Seriously speaking - great, but that's you. I can honestly tell you that after a few minutes of trying to decipher the point values in GH2021 yesterday, my eyes are *still* feeling strained right now. Hours laters and after a night's rest. This is going to be a "fun" day at the office for me... And I feel similar after-effects after working with GW's apps for AoS and WH40K. This really has to stop. Oh no no. Ross will pay. 😈 BTW. I noticed something in Dominion: the booklet in the box doesn't include unit warscrolls as usual, only fluff descriptions. The stats are only available on the datacards... which are printed in the same insane small print as GH2021. Ugh. Thankfully, I have a scanner at home and I can scan these cards easily without damaging them. Once I do this, I'll be finally be able to read what the new SCE troops can do... 🤨 This is stupid.

I won't be calling them (although that's a... tempting idea), as I don't want to burden my phone bill with the cost of international connection. But they will be hearing from me one way or another...