The Rumour Thread

[Vaellas]

1 hour ago, Elarin said:

Maybe this is an indication for Spearhead boxes. I was looking at Vanguard earlier and all of these said temporarily out of stock and now they all say sold out online:

Soulblight Gravelords

Ossiarch Bonereapers 

Hedonites of Slaanesh

Beasts of Chaos

Skaven

[Shankelton]

Really hoping we see an updated map of the realm of fire after the rataclysm. Would love to have a before/ after print to go with my one from cubicle 7.

Also, still now pure lore books on the horizon that arnt novels? My literal kingdom for a remake of Uniforms & Heraldry of the Skaven. Where are my ****** lore encyclopedias to collect

[ScionOfOssia]

Does every army have a Vanguard box? 

[Grungnisson]

1 hour ago, Danaork said:

Which update ?

Well, it says it in the article:

Presumably, we'll get to see at least some of that info after.

[Ejecutor]

9 minutes ago, ScionOfOssia said:

Does every army have a Vanguard box? 

No. For obvious reasons, Sons of Behemant doesn't have one.

[Cdance93]

Just now, Ejecutor said:

No. For obvious reasons, Sons of Behemant doesn't have one.

Would be kinda a fun scenario, my whole army vs a Mega 😁

[Neverchosen]

Everyone is sad about Beasts rumours including me.

Yet the Squats are back, Sisters have an updated army, Chaos Dwarves are getting a rumoured release. Even Silent people got some artwork. Beasts still exist in lore and technically featured first in the AOS cinematic through their god marked brethren. I think that there will be an edition or two of proxying Ungors as Darkoath, Gors as Warriors and Bestigors as Chosen before we get a massive return of our beloved beasts more mutated, surreal and savage than we ever could have imagined.

[Jagged Red Lines]

1 hour ago, Ragest said:

Supposedly, those leaks came before Adepticon, and most of them are being confirmed now by the Adepticon preview (index, weapon ranges), today's video (counter charges) and wf jr (spell lore, double turn changes)

The 'leaks' said that weapon ranges were 0.5 inches for infantry and 3 inches for monsters. False.

They also said that there was a single hero phase at the start of every round, rather than one in each players turn. Again false, at the warcom video says that you can cast magic in your players turn.

[KingBrodd]

12 minutes ago, Neverchosen said:

Everyone is sad about Beasts rumours including me.

Yet the Squats are back, Sisters have an updated army, Chaos Dwarves are getting a rumoured release. Even Silent people got some artwork. Beasts still exist in lore and technically featured first in the AOS cinematic through their god marked brethren. I think that there will be an edition or two of proxying Ungors as Darkoath, Gors as Warriors and Bestigors as Chosen before we get a massive return of our beloved beasts more mutated, surreal and savage than we ever could have imagined.

Im really hoping that Silent People come to fruition as a Faction if not at least a Warcry Warband.

[Tonhel]

18 minutes ago, Neverchosen said:

Everyone is sad about Beasts rumours including me.

Yet the Squats are back, Sisters have an updated army, Chaos Dwarves are getting a rumoured release. Even Silent people got some artwork. Beasts still exist in lore and technically featured first in the AOS cinematic through their god marked brethren. I think that there will be an edition or two of proxying Ungors as Darkoath, Gors as Warriors and Bestigors as Chosen before we get a massive return of our beloved beasts more mutated, surreal and savage than we ever could have imagined.

Love the optimisme 🙂, but in 6-8 years everything is possible. Lol, than there could be even Cathay, Kislev and Halflings for TOW and lots of new armies / units and AoS. 🙂. 6-8 years is a looong time.

[ScionOfOssia]

21 minutes ago, Neverchosen said:

Everyone is sad about Beasts rumours including me.

Yet the Squats are back, Sisters have an updated army, Chaos Dwarves are getting a rumoured release. Even Silent people got some artwork. Beasts still exist in lore and technically featured first in the AOS cinematic through their god marked brethren. I think that there will be an edition or two of proxying Ungors as Darkoath, Gors as Warriors and Bestigors as Chosen before we get a massive return of our beloved beasts more mutated, surreal and savage than we ever could have imagined.

I don’t even think that’s likely- Darkoath don’t fill the same niche, and there’s really not many ranges left to update to AoS: 

CoS (Assuming Dwarfs and Elves stay) need those done, but that could be handled by a 2nd Wave.

Bonesplittaz, who I could see going along with the end of Big Waaagh! since it seems likely Kruleboyz and Ironjawz get their own Vanguards and Battletomes.

Skaven, who are getting theirs in a few months.

Ogors, who it would shock me if they were more than 2 years out from theirs.

Beasts, who are the only ones rumored to vanish, but have faction terrain, endless spells, and could probably be AoSified fairly easily by leaning into mutation and wild monsters. 

The only reason they would be going would be that the TOW team had enough influence to make it so, or GW wants to further bloat the second largest battletome in the game. 

[EonChao]

I wonder if the reason GW stores are going to be running Path to Glory events is to help sell through Vanguard boxes in store ahead of replacing them

[Ejecutor]

2 minutes ago, ScionOfOssia said:

I don’t even think that’s likely- Darkoath don’t fill the same niche, and there’s really not many ranges left to update to AoS: 

CoS (Assuming Dwarfs and Elves stay) need those done, but that could be handled by a 2nd Wave.

Bonesplittaz, who I could see going along with the end of Big Waaagh! since it seems likely Kruleboyz and Ironjawz get their own Vanguards and Battletomes.

Skaven, who are getting theirs in a few months.

Ogors, who it would shock me if they were more than 2 years out from theirs.

Beasts, who are the only ones rumored to vanish, but have faction terrain, endless spells, and could probably be AoSified fairly easily by leaning into mutation and wild monsters. 

The only reason they would be going would be that the TOW team had enough influence to make it so, or GW wants to further bloat the second largest battletome in the game. 

I would add GSG WHFB minis to that list.

[Nezzhil]

16 minutes ago, ScionOfOssia said:

I don’t even think that’s likely- Darkoath don’t fill the same niche, and there’s really not many ranges left to update to AoS: 

CoS (Assuming Dwarfs and Elves stay) need those done, but that could be handled by a 2nd Wave.

Bonesplittaz, who I could see going along with the end of Big Waaagh! since it seems likely Kruleboyz and Ironjawz get their own Vanguards and Battletomes.

Skaven, who are getting theirs in a few months.

Ogors, who it would shock me if they were more than 2 years out from theirs.

Beasts, who are the only ones rumored to vanish, but have faction terrain, endless spells, and could probably be AoSified fairly easily by leaning into mutation and wild monsters. 

The only reason they would be going would be that the TOW team had enough influence to make it so, or GW wants to further bloat the second largest battletome in the game. 

The actual Orruk Warclans Vanguard is gonna be the Orruk Warclans Spearhead.

[Ejecutor]

1 hour ago, Shankelton said:

Really hoping we see an updated map of the realm of fire after the rataclysm. Would love to have a before/ after print to go with my one from cubicle 7.

Also, still now pure lore books on the horizon that arnt novels? My literal kingdom for a remake of Uniforms & Heraldry of the Skaven. Where are my ****** lore encyclopedias to collect

I think nowadays GW is leaving that kind of books for the roleplaying version of the game.

[GhostShark]

On 3/24/2024 at 12:33 PM, The Red King said:

I don't understand the attitude toward BoC rumors. It's like every rumor we have says they're being removed and this is the one time we don't believe them because... we don't want to?

 

Then there's the "they probably meant they're getting updated/refreshed" line which is based on nothing but hopes and dreams. The rumors say nothing about a revamp and where would it even go with Chaos getting a skaven refresh, darkoath refresh, rumored chorfs and presumably something for Khorne or at least ONE of the big 4 sometime in the near future. Starts to look like BoC are getting a revamp like genestealer cults and sisters. In like 10 years. 

I think you have it wrong. The origin of the rumor was that the models were being removed so the line could be reworked, similar to how High Elves were removed from Cities to make way for Realm Lords. People panicked and only head the first part, and every other rumor came out of that panic. As far as I know there's no reliable rumor that says the line is ONLY being removed.

Tp be fair, the original rumor is also somewhat suspect. So I think there's very good reason for people to not believe it. The entire rumor is mostly panic and echo chamber.

As a side note, I think its very possible that a person could hear the line IS being removed and pass that rumor on without knowing or understanding that the line is actually being reworked for a future release. I'm not saying that's what happened, but I do think that could be very likely.

[Copywolf]

I suspect BoC will stay around.  I can't see a whole army being cut in 4th edition.  Reimagined or revamped at some point, sure but not wholesale removed.

[Neverchosen]

51 minutes ago, Tonhel said:

Love the optimisme 🙂, but in 6-8 years everything is possible. Lol, than there could be even Cathay, Kislev and Halflings for TOW and lots of new armies / units and AoS. 🙂. 6-8 years is a looong time.

I think this is clearly relative, I don't think 6-8 years is a really lengthy time for Games Workshop to develop a new design, commission artwork, create updated lore, detail new rules, work on a marketing strategy and eventually release an entirely reworked faction for Beasts of Chaos in Age of Sigmar while also working on updating all existing factions and possibly releasing some new ones that are earlier in their update queue for all their games.

50 minutes ago, ScionOfOssia said:

I don’t even think that’s likely- Darkoath don’t fill the same niche, and there’s really not many ranges left to update to AoS: 

[...]

The only reason they would be going would be that the TOW team had enough influence to make it so, or GW wants to further bloat the second largest battletome in the game. 

I didn't mean to suggest that Beasts were actually going away, or that they would fulfill the same niche as Darkoath. I was merely suggesting that if they were squatted for the edition, that until they got an eventual update, that proxying them would be a possible way of continuing to use the models that people put so much time and effort into.

In other words I was just trying to create a hypothetical contingency for those of us that are worried that one of our favourite factions might not get rules support for some time. I also am not meaning to stoke the fires of anxiety, but simply trying to figure out a way to still find some degree of hope in seeing Beasts of Chaos on the tabletop in response to these rumours. 

I really hope the rumours turn out to be false and to look back at this post and laugh.

Edited March 25 by Neverchosen

[Ejecutor]

6 minutes ago, Neverchosen said:

I think this is clearly relative, I don't think 6-8 years is a really lengthy time for Games Workshop to develop a new design and release an entirely reworked faction for Beasts of Chaos in Age of Sigmar.

I agree, GW probably has had their Skavens ready since before the second ed.

[Neverchosen]

6 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:

I agree, GW probably has had their Skavens ready since before the second ed.

Yeah I think that we (as a community) massively under appreciate the lead times that GW needs to develop these big scale releases. 

Edited March 25 by Neverchosen

[ScionOfOssia]

18 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:

I agree, GW probably has had their Skavens ready since before the second ed.

We can safely assume the Bonereapers existed, at least as a concept, since the End Times because there’s no way the Morghast was developed in isolation and then the rest of the range spun out from 2 models. 

[Danaork]

43 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:

Je suis d'accord, GW a probablement préparé ses Skavens avant la deuxième édition.

And the work on Chorfs, Ulgurothis and Kurnothi are probably finished before or during the third edition.

[Chikout]

7 minutes ago, Neverchosen said:

Yeah I think that we (as a community) massively under appreciate the lead times that GW needs to develop these big scale releases. 

When 40k 9th came out they did an interview with Jes Goodwin. He said they started concept work for the box 5 years earlier. Most sculptors said they completed their work two years before release. All of these things need planning meetings before the creative work can start. So that's 5-6 years to make a new box set and 2-3 years for a big update. 

If we look at the timescale it's reasonable to assume that right now the concept artists are working on 5th edition, the miniature designers are working on 2026 products, and the rules team are working on 2025 battletomes. 

This creates a problem for them though. The community response to product A often happens after project B and C have already been completed. The reaction to Cities of Sigmar's lack of Duardin and Aelves happened after design work for the book and even the new underworlds warband was completed. If we get a second wave this edition it will probably be human only. 

The decision about BoC's future would have been made at least a year ago. If there's a big negative reaction  that surprises GW, there won't be a response for two or three years. 

I'm pretty nervous about BoC's future. It think it would be a monumentally stupid decision to drop the AoS range but I think they've already taken the wrong approach. They should had made movement trays with round slots and encouraged players to use their collection in both games. By enforcing a division between the games they are encouraging the console wars nonsense that has plagued this community for years. 

[Ejecutor]

24 minutes ago, Chikout said:

I'm pretty nervous about BoC's future. It think it would be a monumentally stupid decision to drop the AoS range but I think they've already taken the wrong approach. They should had made movement trays with round slots and encouraged players to use their collection in both games. By enforcing a division between the games they are encouraging the console wars nonsense that has plagued this community for years. 

Something like the Conquest approach would be ideal for me, indeed. The same minis are usable in both games. They have rounded bases and square traits, like you said. Square for Armies and Round for skirmishes. It could be done exactly like that for TOW and AoS.

[GloomkingWortwazi]

49 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:

Something like the Conquest approach would be ideal for me, indeed. The same minis are usable in both games. They have rounded bases and square traits, like you said. Square for Armies and Round for skirmishes. It could be done exactly like that for TOW and AoS.

Yeah, agree - it would have been nice for them to encourage that.

When TOW dropped, I just jumped into CAD and made up a bunch of converter trays like this for my guys - just like I had done for KoW previously. I just wish there weren't annoying situations like 32mm rounds in AoS with 25mm squares in TOW.

Obnoxious WHFB purists be damned, I will continue to use AoS minis for TOW.
I was there long before and at the end times too, but I dealt with it like an adult.
Maybe this kind of official adapter tray would have helped knit everyone together - maybe it would have made those kinds of people feel even more slighted, who knows?

The real problem stopping something like this seems to be that their internal division between main and specialist studios seems to make cross-pollination not possible unless they restructure their operations.
I think the specialist studio might also be quite focused on establishing / maintaining the aesthetic of TOW as well, which I can respect. Obviously some stuff crosses over fine, but some doesn't, and I kind of understand that perspective too. 

Edited March 26 by GloomkingWortwazi
spelling is hard before my morning coffee