The Rumour Thread

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

9 minutes ago, Chikout said:

Which means they have a stable loyal player base that loves them regardless of their power in the game. They also have never been the least popular faction. I'm not trying to say they're mega popular,  but they certainly aren't the first faction you would expect GW to cut.

I agree with most of your post on the topic, but have to disagree here. If GW were to cut any of the current AoS factions, Beasts would probably be the most likely candidate. FEC just got their update. Skaven are due for their refresh soon. Spiderfang, Cities of Sigmar Elves and Dwarves and Bonesplittaz (debatably) are subfactions. I think that's all the old WHFB factions that never got any real support in AoS. IDK, KO and Fyrslayers are not getting cut since they are AoS originals.

EDIT: Forgot about Ogors, but I think they are more popular than Beasts and they at least got the Gorger Mawpack recently.

Edited February 8 by Neil Arthur Hotep

[Nezzhil]

19 minutes ago, cyrus said:

For the previous  Whitefang's hints we should have  the entire refresh of SCE warrior chamber in thunderstrike armour . 

It is a mix of chambers and new stuff.

[Nezzhil]

The problem with BoC is the same that had Cities or Skaven now. A range so wide without a common identity that makes hard to envelope in the actual business model. That's the reason of the need of a revamp or to be removed.

[RetconnedLegion]

‘Beasts of Chaos’ might go but that doesn’t necessarily mean there will be no faction that are beasts of chaos, just we’d see a new range and new name for it. Even if they are dropped in their entirety, it doesn’t mean they won’t return. Personally I find their current fluff exceedingly underwhelming and dislike their whole “hate the chaos gods because they’re not Chaos undivided enough” thing, so I’d be fine with a complete rework.

[Nezzhil]

9 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

I agree with most of your post on the topic, but have to disagree here. If GW were to cut any of the current AoS factions, Beasts would probably be the most likely candidate. FEC just got their update. Skaven are due for their refresh soon. Spiderfang, Cities of Sigmar Elves and Dwarves and Bonesplittaz (debatably) are subfactions. I think that's all the old WHFB factions that never got any real support in AoS. IDK, KO and Fyrslayers are not getting cut since they are AoS originals.

EDIT: Forgot about Ogors, but I think they are more popular than Beasts and they at least got the Gorger Mawpack recently.

Ogors are evolving to the endless hunger aspect of Destruction. They devour life with their mouths, their blizzards or their terraforming magic.

[Peacaf]

22 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

I agree with most of your post on the topic, but have to disagree here. If GW were to cut any of the current AoS factions, Beasts would probably be the most likely candidate. FEC just got their update. Skaven are due for their refresh soon. Spiderfang, Cities of Sigmar Elves and Dwarves and Bonesplittaz (debatably) are subfactions. I think that's all the old WHFB factions that never got any real support in AoS. IDK, KO and Fyrslayers are not getting cut since they are AoS originals.

EDIT: Forgot about Ogors, but I think they are more popular than Beasts and they at least got the Gorger Mawpack recently.

Tzaangors, Slaangors, endless, new Beastlord and Underworlds gang. The army of Beasts has not exactly received little. And apart from that, its aesthetics are not a problem, because then the entire range of chaos would be.

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

22 minutes ago, Peacaf said:

Tzaangors, Slaangors, endless, new Beastlord and Underworlds gang. The army of Beasts has not exactly received little. And apart from that, its aesthetics are not a problem, because then the entire range of chaos would be.

Slaangors primarily live in Slaanesh and Tzaangors primarily live in 40k bundles. The Underworlds unit is already OOP. The Beastlord is the required hero you get with a battletome update.

Earlier in this thread I took the position that BoC would not be removed because they are a faction with their own battletome, which is what I personally viewed as the deciding factor. That is what puts them above other "factions" like Spiderfang or Dispossessed. But if I have to entertain the idea that a faction with a battletome can be removed, then BoC are the most likely one, in my opinion. Among battletome-havers, they have the lowest amount of support overall, IMO.

[The Red King]

53 minutes ago, RetconnedLegion said:

‘Beasts of Chaos’ might go but that doesn’t necessarily mean there will be no faction that are beasts of chaos, just we’d see a new range and new name for it. Even if they are dropped in their entirety, it doesn’t mean they won’t return. Personally I find their current fluff exceedingly underwhelming and dislike their whole “hate the chaos gods because they’re not Chaos undivided enough” thing, so I’d be fine with a complete rework.

@Whitefang has pretty much confirmed that won't be the case in my mind. So goodbye AoS and probably GW as a whole. I'll miss it but I'm done with this company if they pull this ******.

[Pizzaprez]

1 hour ago, Nezzhil said:

It is a mix of chambers and new stuff.

Stormcast new stuff is always interesting to me! Somewhere back in this thread I'd seen "stormcast flagellants" mentioned and I'd be real hyped if they look cool

1 hour ago, Nezzhil said:

Ogors are evolving to the endless hunger aspect of Destruction. They devour life with their mouths, their blizzards or their terraforming magic.

Love this idea, and love that between this and the Kruleboyz swamps we're seeing "destruction" also become "destruction of biospheres and ecosystems" instead of just cities which gives them a lot more room to play

1 hour ago, Nezzhil said:

The problem with BoC is the same that had Cities or Skaven now. A range so wide without a common identity that makes hard to envelope in the actual business model. That's the reason of the need of a revamp or to be removed.

That sort of makes sense to a certain degree, though I would've loved if they could have figured it out. Thematically, I do see how Dragon Ogor warclans don't quite mesh with the "lets sacrifice as many ungors as we can to summon monsters" vibe but I think GW could've worked it out! Removing the options for marks, to me, was a mistake: it'd have allowed people to physically theme their army with more ease! I'm going to keep huffing copium, though, because I love Morghur

[KingBrodd]

These @Whitefang reactions have concerned me. Not just for BOC players and collectors but narratively they have set up so much for Beasts that removing them makes no sense.

Unleds BOC are being fully transformed from Beasts of Chaos to say, Mutations of the Chaos Horde and the Goat/Bovine aspect is completely dropped.

[Lucentia]

Mm, no harm in waiting for further details to emerge, I suppose, but removing a full (albeit undersupported) faction from the game at this point in its life cycle without a replacement lined up would be a pretty demoralising move, to say the least.  

[BarakUrbaz]

15 minutes ago, KingBrodd said:

These @Whitefang reactions have concerned me. Not just for BOC players and collectors but narratively they have set up so much for Beasts that removing them makes no sense.

Morghur: I have to go now, the Realm of Chaos needs me.

MORGHUR DIED ON THE WAY BACK TO THE REALM OF CHAOS. 

[Ganigumo]

3 hours ago, Ragest said:

If BoC is going to get squatted, I think we are getting indexes in June, because is the only way to make them disappear from the game.

Maybe Bonesplitterz are going away in that index too.

I'm on the hopium that warclans will see an end of edition book.
I'm much less convinced bonesplitterz are leaving now that their presence in old world is basically limited to a unit option.

I really don't want indexes. 25 sets of army rules written in the time it takes them to write 1 or 2 books sounds disastrous (look at the balance results of every other time they're done index rules)

[Vagard]

Still no battlescroll in sight, guess we will have to wait another week

[CommissarRotke]

2 hours ago, Nezzhil said:

It is a mix of chambers and new stuff.

do you mean not ONLY Warrior Chamber got thunderstruck? I was actually expecting that 👀

perhaps... multi-part, dual kits?

[gillio]

These beastmen rumors make me nervous for my dwarfs in cities of sigmar....

[Kronos]

I know I’ve before in the past, and a gentle scholar always helps me out. -

 

Can anyone do a Round up fo the Rumours we currently have.  Could Someone add or correct to the Following?
 

So far I have - 

Skaven V Stormcast Starter Box. 
 

More Characters coming as part of Dawn Bringers Including a “Lady of Ruin” for Chaos. 
 

Chaos Dwarfs getting a release (within this edition but could be a couple years)

 

An unresolved Spider Skull part of Destruction. 
 

Beasts of Chaos (as we know them) Being moved to Old World.

Edited February 8 by Kronos

[MitGas]

54 minutes ago, BarakUrbaz said:

Morghur: I have to go now, the Realm of Chaos needs me.

MORGHUR DIED ON THE WAY BACK TO THE REALM OF CHAOS. 

to make it even more lame: He died of old age. 🤙

[The Red King]

20 minutes ago, gillio said:

These beastmen rumors make me nervous for my dwarfs in cities of sigmar....

No need to be nervous. They're almost definitely going to get removed at some point so why not jump straight to outrage! (This is only half joking cause I'm bitter, but in all honesty having played wood elves I wouldn't spend much time and money expecting them to stick around. Buy em if you like em, plan to use them in ToW, or just have the money to burn but expect the worst and don't get burned).

 

My entire attitude is the perfect example of why this is an absolute stupid move by GW. Can't reccomend anything but the newest release with any confidence because apparantly they'll just remove entire supported armies whenever they feel like it.

 

Edit: But hey we can't complain because GW is going to launch their new Warhammer:paperweights so you're not allowed to be upset because your army is "still usable".

Edited February 8 by The Red King

[ERHanmer]

35 minutes ago, gillio said:

These beastmen rumors make me nervous for my dwarfs in cities of sigmar....

I'm a Dark Elf player for Cities. You and I have been on borrowed time since the first book. I would not plan to have your army for Cities beyond a year.

 

Granted, we each could be rolled into another faction or new book elsewhere.

 

Time will tell.

[RetconnedLegion]

19 minutes ago, The Red King said:

No need to be nervous. They're almost definitely going to get removed at some point so why not jump straight to outrage! (This is only half joking cause I'm bitter, but in all honesty having played wood elves I wouldn't spend much time and money expecting them to stick around. Buy em if you like em, plan to use them in ToW, or just have the money to burn but expect the worst and don't get burned).

 

My entire attitude is the perfect example of why this is an absolute stupid move by GW. Can't reccomend anything but the newest release with any confidence because apparantly they'll just remove entire supported armies whenever they feel like it.

 

Edit: But hey we can't complain because GW is going to launch their new Warhammer:paperweights so you're not allowed to be upset because your army is "still usable".

I understand how you feel, my first army ( and favourite) for Warhammer was Chaos Dwarfs. So I went from army book and models, to get you by Ravening Hordes pamphlet with nothing, to nothing at all, to super expensive Forgeworld, to nothing, to Legends and now nothing but percolating rumours. On top of that they were in and out of the background and had their place on the map given to Ogres.

But until it happens, there’s always hope. This Whitefang fellow isn’t omniscient, and GW come up with new plans and concepts. So their future isn’t set in (herd)stone. 
 

If the worst happens just don’t burn your army on a door. 

[Gitzdee]

3 hours ago, ERHanmer said:

I'm a Dark Elf player for Cities. You and I have been on borrowed time since the first book. I would not plan to have your army for Cities beyond a year.

 

Granted, we each could be rolled into another faction or new book elsewhere.

 

Time will tell.

All the armies and subfactions i like the most are the least supported. Bonesplitterz, Spiderfang, Gitmob, Ogors, Dispossesed, Deathrattle skellies, BoC, Eldar... aspect....nvm XD.

But after all the refreshes and updates GW pushed out this edition i am still very positive about things to come. Cant wait to get my turn, and it will be glorious.

Edit: almost forgot to give a shout to Wanderers, but they already got removed i guess XD.

Edited February 8 by Gitzdee

[mawhis117]

35 minutes ago, Kronos said:

I know I’ve before in the past, and a gentle scholar always helps me out. -

 

Can anyone do a Round up fo the Rumours we currently have.  Could Someone add or correct to the Following?
 

So far I have - 

Skaven V Stormcast Starter Box. 
 

More Characters coming as part of Dawn Bringers Including a “Lady of Ruin” for Chaos. 
 

Chaos Dwarfs getting a release (within this edition but could be a couple years)

 

An unresolved Spider Skull part of Destruction. 
 

Beasts of Chaos (as we know them) Being moved to Old World.

My list of rumours:

General Rumours
Long rumoured Spider Incarnate (oldest rumour engine left unsolved) has been ditched 
There has been a dispute internally between the Main AOS studio and the Specialist studio over which factions/models stay in AOS and which go to TOW

Dawnbringers

Ossiarch Morghast Hero at some point (Dawnbringers 5?)

Chaos Focused Dawnbringers 6 with: 
"Her Highness in Ruin" - Character Mentioned in Dawnbringers 1 - Valkia?
Ascended Korghos Khul
"Medium size" Darkoath release for S2D

AOS 4

Starter Box will be reworked OG Stormcast from AOS 1 vs Skaven
Vandus Hammerhand resculpt
Chaos Dwarves 
Kurnothi 
Beasts of Chaos will be removed at some point in AOS 4
Bonesplitterz will be removed at some point in AOS 4
 

[ERHanmer]

For the future of Beasts of Chaos, I see a few possibilities:

 

1) They are gone and some models are rolled into other chaos factions.

 

2) They are wiped and revamped with minimal current models remaining. Everything else would be new.

 

3) They are gone completely and Beasts players have to move to The Old World or buy new armies.

 

I think a lot of us are excited about 4.0, but also nervous and disappointed by aspects of 3.0.

We have seen dead-on-arrival 40K editions before. I'm always nervous about change, because GW also breaks things just to make sales.

3.0 has had a lot of great releases. The rules formatting is AMAZING.  But the execution of the "Era of the Beast" has been lackluster.

We are in Ghur, but who cares? What has actually happened that has made this the Era of the Beast? I don't see beasts. We just got monstrous actions and a  cheap Halloween decoration with some terrain.

I would have pushed for Grand Alliance monsters any faction in a grand alliance can take.

I would have made monsters more impactful on the table.

I would also change to mini narrative series like Dawnbringers periodically in the edition to keep things spicy.

I don't se Ghur themed anything other than battle packs that could easily be used in any other realm narratively.

COVID may have played a role, but AOS has struggled locally since 3.0 dropped. I've had to resort to bribery with prizes to get people to come to events and help boost sales for my friend's game store.

Dawnbringers has been fun, but it is also devolving into a story about two armies bumbling into increasingly ridiculous disasters. The story also literally picks up immediately after Broken Realms. I feel as if no passage of time or real consequences have occurred.

Beast of Chaos and Kragnos have felt absolutely neglected and inconsequential.

Even if we go to Ulgu, I am not expecting much. The fact that Chaos Dwarves and not Malerion are supported rumors depresses me to no end.

[Pizzaprez]

38 minutes ago, The Red King said:

No need to be nervous. They're almost definitely going to get removed at some point so why not jump straight to outrage! (This is only half joking cause I'm bitter, but in all honesty having played wood elves I wouldn't spend much time and money expecting them to stick around. Buy em if you like em, plan to use them in ToW, or just have the money to burn but expect the worst and don't get burned).

 

My entire attitude is the perfect example of why this is an absolute stupid move by GW. Can't reccomend anything but the newest release with any confidence because apparantly they'll just remove entire supported armies whenever they feel like it.

 

Edit: But hey we can't complain because GW is going to launch their new Warhammer:paperweights so you're not allowed to be upset because your army is "still usable".

13 minutes ago, RetconnedLegion said:

I understand how you feel, my first army ( and favourite) for Warhammer was Chaos Dwarfs. So I went from army book and models, to get you by Ravening Hordes pamphlet with nothing, to nothing at all, to super expensive Forgeworld, to nothing, to Legends and now nothing but percolating rumours. On top of that they were in and out of the background and had their place on the map given to Ogres.

But until it happens, there’s always hope. This Whitefang fellow isn’t omniscient, and GW come up with new plans and concepts. So their future isn’t set in (herd)stone. 
 

If the worst happens just don’t burn your army on a door. 

Earlier in the BoC discussion i'd listed how many projects I'd worked on got scrapped over the years and it sucks; not trying to be hypernegative so I'm not going to repeat myself, but I am right there with y'all.

Unless you want to play TOW, please keep your beasts on circles! There are other wargames that'd let you use them as-is, and you might wind up liking proxying them as something else in AoS in time: my long-dormant azgorh army was becoming Slaves to Darkness even before the Horns unit came out. 

Almost dropped Legion of Grief and the silly amount of models I'd bought for it when it got squatted, but my friends were pretty cool about mixing Soulblights and Nighthaunts even if it wasnt official and I've poked around at a couple other game systems too

Love AoS as a setting and the models GW produces, but I'm right there with everyone in this thread not loving the feeling of looking at certain armies and subfactions and wondering "how much time does this have left?"

I'm excited about almost everything else we've heard about AoS4, and I'm pretty bummed out that the army I want most almost feels like a monkey's paw moment; losing the other coolest chaos army as a tradeoff.