The Rumour Thread

[Carnelian]

5 hours ago, LLV said:

Things in the battletome will be changed online and with ghb/ main rules. You won’t buy a new BoK tome..... yet....

Thus really warrants the existence of an excited emoji

[LLV]

Lol don’t get too excited. I’ve not heard anything on BoK specifically. Just know like all thing that eventually they will give a redux.

However new models I think there will be by the end of the year/ early next year as I heard new 40k world eaters and angron by the year end along with some Deamons.

Edited May 26, 2018 by LLV

[ageofpaddsmar]

Would be extremely annoying if BOK got another redo. What about the armies that haven't got a first book. Or my seraphon which looks like all the warscrolls are changing to the new summoning mechanic.

[michu]

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Battletome-Stormcast-Eternals-ENG-HB-2017 

Looks like ScE Battletome is now on Last Chance to Buy. That means new one is coming with new edition.

[Xasz]

19 minutes ago, michu said:

Looks like ScE Battletome is now on Last Chance to Buy. That means new one is coming with new edition.

Really?

I'd hate to see them pull a 40k with Battletomes.

Almost as much as the suggestions that SCE should get summoning as well. (damn you ppl are greedy)

[michu]

They have to put Sacrosanct chamber rules in here and maybe new version of stormhosts abilities (without battalions). 

[Xasz]

2 minutes ago, michu said:

They have to put Sacrosanct chamber rules in here and maybe new version of stormhosts abilities (without battalions). 

For some reason I expected the new chamber to be stand-alone, which seems odd in retrospect.

[michu]

New battletome each time new chamber is open has its flaws, but I think I prefer to buy new book with everything inside than having to look for rules in two different places.

[suedester]

1 hour ago, Xasz said:

Really?

I'd hate to see them pull a 40k with Battletomes.

Almost as much as the suggestions that SCE should get summoning as well. (damn you ppl are greedy)

Narratively Stormcast should absolutely get summoning. If they want to balance out everyone should be able to summon.

[Xasz]

4 minutes ago, suedester said:

Narratively Stormcast should absolutely get summoning. If they want to balance out everyone should be able to summon.

Maybe.

But SCE being good in every aspect of the game gets old real fast. We're getting to the point were it is just one bland soup.

I'm not to big on them getting caster either, for me they were more of a knightish priesthood or paladins. ( I could live, with just the ranged additions)

[michu]

Stormcast Eternals are Sigmar's ultimate weapon against Chaos. It's obvious that he would make them able to counter everything Chaos can throw at them.

[Xasz]

1 minute ago, michu said:

Stormcast Eternals are Sigmar's ultimate weapon against Chaos. It's obvious that he would make them able to counter everything Chaos can throw at them.

Which is boring and lazy from a narrative standpoint. Would be way more interesting if they'd fight chaos within the limits of Sigmars original aspect and/or fight chaos their own way instead of just excelling at everything. (ergo being the Mary Sues of AoS)

inb4 lightforged Bloodthirsters, because SCE players want some more monsters, but I guess this is getting off-topic.

[pseudonyme]

À question out of the blue : do you think the endless/predatory spells will come in a "big" box or each on their own box ?

[Furuzzolo]

2 minutes ago, pseudonyme said:

À question out of the blue : do you think the endless/predatory spells will come in a "big" box or each on their own box ?

I guess in a big box, so you get the good ones and the bad ones ?

[michu]

24 minutes ago, Xasz said:

Which is boring and lazy from a narrative standpoint. Would be way more interesting if they'd fight chaos within the limits of Sigmars original aspect and/or fight chaos their own way instead of just excelling at everything. (ergo being the Mary Sues of AoS)

inb4 lightforged Bloodthirsters, because SCE players want some more monsters, but I guess this is getting off-topic.

No one said that they excel at everything. I believe Duardin are better at creating war machines and Aelves are better at spellcasting. ScE are just the most versatile. And it's easier for new players to find allies for their army. You play Aelves, but want to use warmachines, or Duardin and want to cast spells? Sacrosanct chamber is for you.

Edited May 26, 2018 by michu

[pseudonyme]

24 minutes ago, Furuzzolo said:

I guess in a big box, so you get the good ones and the bad ones ?

Wonder if it will be by allegiance, or realm, or both

[Xasz]

Just now, michu said:

No one said that they excel at everything. I believe Duardins are better at creating war machines and Aelves are better at spellcasting. ScE are just the most versatile. And it's easier for new players to find allies for their army. You play Aelves, but want to use warmachines, or Duardin and want to cast spells? Sacrosanct chamber is for you.

I don't want to answer because this is delving further into off-topic but I feel I have to.

If an all-rounder army would have access to every aspect of the game, and would then just be mediocre at each one of them, everything would be fine.

This is not the case for SCE, their defense abilities are incredible, they have sniper tools and mediocre to good shooting, good melee and mediocre to good movement (compare that to Khorne... which only beats them slightly on melee). Considering the currently known casters, they'll get good wizards as well, while allying one in was always an option (from a gameplay and even narrative standpoint).

Putting gameplay aside, that their model range (new models) is bigger than Death and Destruction combined is just ridiculous and GW is still pushing minis. One of our local players was rather confused when he looked through the Deepkin Battletome and realized what the rest of us has to deal with.

Personally, I think SCE are losing their initial identity and are becoming the rule them all Space Marines with fantasy costumes (which was always used to poke fun at AoS but now the gameplay seemingly followed).

[Bloodmaster]

1 hour ago, Xasz said:

Maybe.

But SCE being good in every aspect of the game gets old real fast. We're getting to the point were it is just one bland soup.

I'm not to big on them getting caster either, for me they were more of a knightish priesthood or paladins. ( I could live, with just the ranged additions)

Well, like Marines in 40k, they are build/forged to be good in every aspect of war and actions associated/linked to war, but this also means, they won't excel in any field. They are good but never the best in what they do. Where other factions or certain units of factions are  heavily specialised in certain tasks while lacking in all other fields, the SC are a reliable workhorse that can react to everything thrown at them.

It might seem tiresome, and I am partly with you, but can lead to an interesting narrative, if done right.  And gamewise, it gives you a solid Force that is quit reliable but if countered right might be crushed.

[Rogue Explorator]

58 minutes ago, Xasz said:

Which is boring and lazy from a narrative standpoint. Would be way more interesting if they'd fight chaos within the limits of Sigmars original aspect and/or fight chaos their own way instead of just excelling at everything. (ergo being the Mary Sues of AoS)

inb4 lightforged Bloodthirsters, because SCE players want some more monsters, but I guess this is getting off-topic.

A "Mary Sue" describes that can do no wrong and has no meaningful flaws whatsoever in such way, that even if a reader finds them flawed, they are written in such way, that the reader must be wrong then (from the authors/tests biased position).

This is not true for Stormcast, who can have some pretty heavy personality flaws, defenitely can do wrong and fail in a number of ways and have even a systemic flaw in the reforging.

What is true, is that Stormcast as a group are very good in pretty much every battlefield role. This, if we consider them as "one entity", qualifies them to be called an ace, which would be a character good at everything that others in the story will often look up to, but than can still exhibit (cathastrophic) personality flaws.

Even this breaks down if we look at Stormcast individually, as they are a force of specialists.

 

Stormcast exhibit a number of qualities and themes one can find subjectively bad in a written fiction (for example, I am very ruffled by them following the Knight Templar archetype and yet also containing the settings, so far, most heroic and moral characters), but to call them Mary Sues is to claim they are an example for one of the most cited proofs of objectively bad writing, one whose definition they lack.

[Xasz]

6 minutes ago, Rogue Explorator said:

A "Mary Sue" describes that can do no wrong and has no meaningful flaws whatsoever in such way, that even if a reader finds them flawed, they are written in such way, that the reader must be wrong then (from the authors/tests biased position).

There are several definitions for a Mary Sue or Marty Sue, I should have made clear that I meant the one when a character is so perfect that you get sick of him.

To bring this to an end, I hate all SCE players regardless.

Edited May 26, 2018 by Xasz

[Bradipo322]

17 minutes ago, Xasz said:

To bring this to an end, I hate all SCE players regardless.

So you hate me, even if you don't even know me? I have to say that's really stupid.

"Hate" is a strong word, you could hate leaving your umbrella home when it starts raining, you could hate when the dices are against you for a whole game, you could even hate "that player", but hating someone just because he plays a faction that you don't like is childish and stupid.

You dislike Stormcast Eternals because they are jacks-of-all-trades? Do they feel overpowered to you?

You know what? I like them because they are the " good guys", but I still haven't won a single (normal) game whit them.

[Rogue Explorator]

4 minutes ago, Xasz said:

There are several definitions for a Mary Sue or Marty Sue, I should have made clear that I meant the one when a character is so perfect that you get sick of him.

To bring this to an end, I hate all SCE players regardless.

I thought something like that. But seeing how Mary Sue, commonly a derogative term concerning a work,  is also used as an objectively provable cathegory, I needed to comment.

Proving a Mary Sue can be done by a number of ways, but an easy way is that they are based on a circular logic: Mary Sues are always good and right, because the author tells us they always do the good and right thing. But how do we know the things they do are always good and right things? Because the author tells us they are done by the always good and right character of course.

So, for example, applying the above to Stormcast, we know they can make mistakes (every instance in Realmgate Wars of Thostos Bladestorm risking his mission by going Berserk, getting his forces into deep trouble each time). We also know they can do  reprehensible things (Knights Exemplar) and ambigous actions others in their ranks disagree with (Ionus Cryptborn indirectly, but consciously, working with Valkya, to break a nurglite curse).

 

Clearly, you use a subjective definition (every character written as good or capable will be to perfect from somebodies PoV). Which is, as you have said, potentially (not intentionally) misleading. So I am happy we cleared that up.

[CaptainNippon]

1 minute ago, Bradipo322 said:

So you hate me, even if you don't even know me? I have to say that's really stupid.

"Hate" is a strong word, you could hate leaving your umbrella home when it starts raining, you could hate when the dices are against you for a whole game, you could even hate "that player", but hating someone just because he plays a faction that you don't like is childish and stupid.

You dislike Stormcast Eternals because they are jacks-of-all-trades? Do they feel overpowered to you?

You know what? I like them because they are the " good guys", but I still haven't won a single (normal) game whit them.

Cmon, it's hyperbole - he doesn't actually hate Stormcast players. 

He might resent them though ?

 

[Riavan]

I just want to know more about my giant nurgle fleas from rogue trader and if I can use them in AoS.

 

[michu]

It will be probably used as a one of endless spell - the Emerald Lifeswarm, but that's just assumptions.

Edited May 26, 2018 by michu