AoS 2 - Legion of Grief discussion

[Joseph Mackay]

3 hours ago, Greasygeek said:

Yeah, maybe so but why would they do that? It makes very little sense to me what reasons there are for removing LoG and the WD battalions for NH. 

As a matter of fact the only resin I could see is if a new NH tome is coming out soon and I do not dare to hope so.

Because the Legion Of Grief rules are included in a campaign book. Most other campaign book content is not legal for matched play.

 The White Dwarf battalions are ‘limited’ release, like Looncurse, Feast Of Bones etc. it seems that gw don’t like ‘limited’ releases in matched play because it’s ‘unfair’ that not everyone can access them

[Bayul]

My new Mortis Engine:

[Bayul]

Is anyone using Dire Wolves successfully?

I am asking because I am following JP Ganis on Twitter and he is taking his LoG army to Onslaught 2020 which has two units of 5 Dire Wolves. I myself have two units of 10 Chainrasp Hordes in my list, which aren't as useful as my unit of 40 Chainrasps. Should I replace them? A box of 10 Chaos Warhounds are pretty cheap and I would use those for conversions if anybody recommends this unit.

[Liquidsteel]

I've used them alongside a big unit of 40 rasps to fill out my battleline.

 

Usually stick them on the flanks to screen Bladegheists and/or threaten objectives, as they're nice and fast.

 

I've had them sneak an objective or two.

[El Antiguo Guardián]

I´m using just Chainrasp, but they´re a great screen for reapers/bladegheist...

But my list is an horde list. I will play again with Grief this Wednesday vs The Legion of Chaos ascendant, but I need to chose the build of my general: on the past he was using the 2 CP rolls at 5+, but now he can use just 1, and I don´t know what use in addition.

The list would be:

Deadblade

Knight

Knight on food

Necromancer

40 Chainrasp

40 Chainrasp

10 Chainrasp

30 Reapers

12 Myr Banshees

12 Myr Banshees

1CP

1970 points (bcs of the triumph).

 

Any ideas for the CP?

[ZLee Syn]

On 8/8/2020 at 1:14 PM, El Antiguo Guardián said:

I´m using just Chainrasp, but they´re a great screen for reapers/bladegheist...

But my list is an horde list. I will play again with Grief this Wednesday vs The Legion of Chaos ascendant, but I need to chose the build of my general: on the past he was using the 2 CP rolls at 5+, but now he can use just 1, and I don´t know what use in addition.

The list would be:

Deadblade

Knight

Knight on food

Necromancer

40 Chainrasp

40 Chainrasp

10 Chainrasp

30 Reapers

12 Myr Banshees

12 Myr Banshees

1CP

1970 points (bcs of the triumph).

 

Any ideas for the CP?

I feel like this list would be great before handbook but now it is too CP heavy. I would lose the foot knight and probably 1 banshee unit to get another unit that doesnt require that much setup

[Bayul]

I'd recommend Bladegheist Revenants accompanied by a Spirit Torment. You'll have a lot of rerolls without spending CP.

[El Antiguo Guardián]

I love bladegheist... but I´m waiting for them in Mortal Realms. So I need to think about another options.

Harridans are nice at 260.  They´re cheap and they are ethereal so... 

Allegiance: Legion of Grief
Mortal Realm: Shyish
Dreadblade Harrow (90)
- General
- Command Trait: Vassal of the Craven King
- Artefact: Grave-sand Gem
Knight of Shrouds on Ethereal Steed (120)
Necromancer (130)
- Spell: Dread Withering
40 x Chainrasp Horde (280)
40 x Chainrasp Horde (280)
10 x Chainrasp Horde (80)
10 x Chainrasp Horde (80)
30 x Grimghast Reapers (420)
12 x Myrmourn Banshees (210)
5 x Hexwraiths (130)
5 x Hexwraiths (130)
Extra Command Point (50)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 1
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 178

 

 

But I´m thinking about that. People doesn´t think about Hexwraiths in Grief, and they have access to some mortal wounds, but the most important thing, they´re fast and cheap, so they can charge to the flank of other units or be used as screens.

I´m not sure about the last 80pv: I added another chainrasp unit because they´re lot of missions when you score another VP if you´re using battle line units so...

[Bayul]

2 minutes ago, El Antiguo Guardián said:

But I´m thinking about that. People doesn´t think about Hexwraiths in Grief, and they have access to some mortal wounds, but the most important thing, they´re fast and cheap, so they can charge to the flank of other units or be used as screens.

I´m not sure about the last 80pv: I added another chainrasp unit because they´re lot of missions when you score another VP if you´re using battle line units so...

List looks decent, but you might miss another hero (or overall support unit) for the 6++ save. That's why I think your 4th unit of Chainrasps is redudant. You can bring a Lord Executioner as beat stick or even Tomb Banshee to dish out mortal wounds in your shooting phase. Both are 80 points.

Hexwraiths were mentioned in this thread some time ago. They seem even better for 130 points now, but usually people take Dire Wolves for the purpose you mentioned.

[El Antiguo Guardián]

On 8/10/2020 at 3:59 PM, Bayul said:

List looks decent, but you might miss another hero (or overall support unit) for the 6++ save. That's why I think your 4th unit of Chainrasps is redudant. You can bring a Lord Executioner as beat stick or even Tomb Banshee to dish out mortal wounds in your shooting phase. Both are 80 points.

Hexwraiths were mentioned in this thread some time ago. They seem even better for 130 points now, but usually people take Dire Wolves for the purpose you mentioned.

Yes. I will change 10 Chainrasp for the Lord Excutioner. I don´t like that character... but at 80points, it can he decent. 

And agree about the Hexwraiths. I will use them Instead of the wolves because I want that mortal wounds, buts... let´s see.

This is the final list: 

 

Allegiance: Legion of Grief
Mortal Realm: Shyish
Dreadblade Harrow (90)
- General
- Command Trait: Vassal of the Craven King
- Artefact: Grave-sand Gem
Knight of Shrouds on Ethereal Steed (120)
Necromancer (130)
Lord Executioner (80)
40 x Chainrasp Horde (280)
40 x Chainrasp Horde (280)
10 x Chainrasp Horde (80)
30 x Grimghast Reapers (420)
12 x Myrmourn Banshees (210)
5 x Hexwraiths (130)
5 x Hexwraiths (130)
Extra Command Point (50)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 1
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 173

[El Antiguo Guardián]

Hey friends.

Here you have a complete battle report from that battle. Also, you have the analysis of the game:

 

 

[plavski]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Jp8AWDibSM2831yA.pdf

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Q: When choosing an army for a Pitched Battle, what publications can I use without my opponent’s permission?

A: You can use the warscrolls for units with a Pitched Battle profile listed in the General’s Handbook 2020 (excluding those listed in the Legends Pitched Battle Profiles section) and the warscrolls for units with a Pitched Battle profile in a publication that has a release date of August 2020 or later. In addition, when choosing your army, you can use rules from any of the following publications and any that have a release date of August 2020 or later:

Soul Wars: Forbidden Power

This army is fully legit for play now as GW have reversed their stance and made old battalions from White Dwarf and other supplements legal without requiring permission.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/24/legendary-battalions-update/

[Evil Bob]

Has anyone tried running The Sepulcharl Guard?  I sort of boxed mine after the LoN FAQ nerf and forgot about them.  Might be nice to dig these bonus up.

[Bayul]

59 minutes ago, Evil Bob said:

Has anyone tried running The Sepulcharl Guard?  I sort of boxed mine after the LoN FAQ nerf and forgot about them.  Might be nice to dig these bonus up.

I didn't know that they are only 80 points for 7 models, interesting. I could imagine to replace them with one chainrasp horde unit to escort a hero. It's to much micromanagment with the weapons for my taste though. 

[Bayul]

Most of the undead Cursed City will probably have the Deadwalkers, Deathlords, Deathmages or Deathrattle keyword. We can add them to our Legion of Grief army and run them with Nighthaunt units.

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

On 2/19/2021 at 12:54 AM, Evil Bob said:

Has anyone tried running The Sepulcharl Guard?  I sort of boxed mine after the LoN FAQ nerf and forgot about them.  Might be nice to dig these bonus up.

In my opinion, they are not worth it. They are sort of just a min-size skeleton unit that is not summonable.

For all their advantages, they also have a drawback that cancels it out. Yes, they heal d3 models from their warscroll, but they don't heal from gravesites and invocations. Yes, they can reroll charges, but they can't auto-charge 6". And on top of all of that you need to manage five separate weapon profiles just to deal no damage at the end.

I think you are better off just running them as alternative skeleton warrior sculpts.

[Bayul]

There's an upcoming team event in Australia in March with 3 LoG lists and only 2 Nighthaunt lists. Two LoG list run 2x Chainghasts but no Spirit Torment. What's the point of that? Are the Ghastflails so strong?

Link to the announcement:

 

[Pazour]

12 minutes ago, Bayul said:

There's an upcoming team event in Australia in March with 3 LoG lists and only 2 Nighthaunt lists. Two LoG list run 2x Chainghasts but no Spirit Torment. What's the point of that? Are the Ghastflails so strong?

Link to the announcement:

 

Bladegheist Revenants get re-roll hits from Chainghasts, even if there is no Spirit Torment. 

[Bayul]

12 minutes ago, Pazour said:

Bladegheist Revenants get re-roll hits from Chainghasts, even if there is no Spirit Torment. 

Thanks, I thought it was only limited to nearby Spirit Torments. I might replace in this case. He was always very passive in my list.

[Aaranis]

Did something change for Legion of Grief rules-wise ? Haven't played an AoS game since at least February 2020. I know the Realm Artifacts have changed and so we can't do the CP recycling list anymore. Is there a new direction for LoG for us to take ? Can we have Ossiarchs ?

[Bayul]

Nothing changed. Legion of Grief are undisputable legal since the latest GH. We can't take any OBR units. The new Warhammer Quest zombies might get relevant keywords for LOG though.

[Benlisted]

So, question that's been on my mind as SG get revealed/released... where does this leave LoG?  I know we're not technically one of the LoN, just always had the same rules (hence not getting their batts or allies) but does the book being made totally obsolete impact us in any way?  Or is it "keep using LoG rules until we say not to" i.e. probably with the next GHB or new edition...

[libr4rian]

33 minutes ago, Benlisted said:

So, question that's been on my mind as SG get revealed/released... where does this leave LoG?  I know we're not technically one of the LoN, just always had the same rules (hence not getting their batts or allies) but does the book being made totally obsolete impact us in any way?  Or is it "keep using LoG rules until we say not to" i.e. probably with the next GHB or new edition...

That's my question exactly! What now? I used to play LoN using a lot of Nighthaunts models, literally I had 2 armies having only 1 &1/3 armies bought I'm guessing It will end now.

...and what with Nagash, The Lord himself? Will he be an option in Nighthaunts like he is in Bonereapers?

...so many questions.

[Sception]

The Soulblight Gravelords book supposedly includes rules for Grand Alliance: Death, which are meant to be used to represent the old Undead Legions of Nagash.  There's a big Nagash icon atop the five Soulblight Dynasty icons in the artwork from todays WarCom article too.  So I'm guessing that's were Legion of Grief will fall as well.

Here's the quote:

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You can find all the warscrolls for these units in the new Soulblight Gravelords battletome, packed with updated lore, battleplans, and more. It’s stuffed to bursting with a wealth of content for Nagash’s undead legions too, so budding generals of the Death grand alliance definitely won’t want to miss it.

Source:  https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/20/warhammer-preview-online-faith-damnation/

So will that still be a playable, viable allegiance?  I'm not sure.  Signs honestly point to no, as the grand alliance allegiances are never any good.  But if the new one for Death maintains grave sites and spell lore access then we might be seeing a first of its kind exception.  And in the unlikely event that that happens, we might even see an unexpected revival of Tomb Kings compendium lists within the rare formats that still allow that kind of stuff.

It's only a sliver of hope - again grand alliance allegiances are typically bad-on-purpose to push people towards the more focused factions - but it isn't no hope at all.

Edited May 10, 2021 by Sception

[Bayul]

Oh man, Necromancers were changed so their Vanhel's Dance Macabre specifically targets summonable SG units. 

This was my best support model in my army. He buffed my Chainrasps. Skeletons weren't leaked yet, but I don't think I want to replace my 40 models Chainrasp blob.

And Dire Wolves are 135 points now and minimum 10 models. Fell Bats can't be taken, because they aren't DEADWALKERS.

SG's gravesites now grant Deathless Minions, but don't heal in their hero phase.