Nightseer2012

No cavalry hero, no melee hero outside Eltharion, only Iodeneth as allies, no aelven inclusion, weird forced battleline choices... I hope the translations reveal some saving graces for the Lumieth.

Man... wide chances of -1 to hit, elites that ignore -1 rend, and every unit is a wizard? Man, Tzeentch Eternal Conflagration builds should just stay home for that match up. These guys are looking very strong, but they are looking possibly very "brittle" with their builds, with their lack of unit diversity. I mean, at this point there are more variations of the Primaris Lieutenants than there are separate Lumineth units. I have to wait to make a final call for what battalions or ally modifications come out with the battletome. I am hoping they have a CoS similar ability to bring along a limited amount of other Aelf units. Very very strong, very very cool, just not quite what I was hoping for.

Agreed, at this point I find myself not actually wanting to start an OBR army anytime soon. I like the LoN style of overwhelming an opponent with numbers vs the specialist units of OBR. They would be shooting themselves in the foot if they sequestered Arkhan or Nagash into OBR.

I think I would settle for a Seraphon-esque rework of our book by the end if the year (early 2021 because if the virus?). I wouldn’t mind new kits, but I would much rather a polish job on the rules we have (integrating Legion of Grief properly, fixing the broken battalions, making each legion more characterful like Dolinarus suggested above), and then maybe a terrain piece/upgrade our graveyards to full terrain. I don’t think LoN needs too much, just a re-work in the wake of a lot of power creep to reset our synergies.

Kind of why I am looking forward to a new Tyrion. Besides his illicit love affair with Alarielle, his character was just Elf Hercules. Proud, strong, prone to bouts of rage if challenged, etc. I’m hoping in AoS his character has evolved. It gives me hope that it was Tyrion who convinced Teclis to spare the Iodeneth when Teclis wanted to commit genocide, against Tyrion’s old habit of “use profound force against anyone who disagrees with me”. Also kind of looking forward to the ally opportunities between Aelf factions that I am hoping to see. Would love to see Tyrion/Teclis able to field phoenix guard alongside their own forces.

Be careful what you say about their water creatures, there is still the Temple of the River to reveal... lol

Funny that you keep bringing up the KoS “cow” face. I always thought it was more “goat” like, to play into the more baphomet style. Difference in opinion I suppose. In any case, if the argument is that no one can use cows because one army has cows, then CoS can’t have pheonixes because Tzeentch already called dibs on fire and birds. Nasgash, Sigmar, and Gorkamorka have to get rid of all their skull iconography because Khorne was here first. Nurgle and Nagash have to go into a custody hearing over who zombies will visit on weekends. Sounds a bit silly to me.

That was my assumption. Lumineth now just needs models for the River, Zenith, and Sky “Temples”, and it will feel like a full range. Using the reveal today as a template, each “temple” could have; 1 Hero (Mage?)+ 1 Aelf Unit + 1 Spirit Looking forward to seeing the possibilities. I’m hoping Tyrion’s Sun Spirit partner is the firstborn of the Ur-Phoenix or something. On the downside, dragon’s are looking less and less likely.

Not going to lie, my favorite rumor/wishlist so far is for a Sons of Behemat vs. Lumineth box. Since GW seem to be on a battlebox bender lately, i would drop money on one or two of those in a heartbeat.

So at that point it is arguing scale? I suppose, but it feels like a poor excuse to me (on their part, not yours). And unless mercenaries get that boost, they are as similarly unusable as GA: Death. It just seems like for every other Ally chart, the alliances are based on Narrative, but for OBR it is based on mechanics design, since Katakros doesn’t seem to mind working with others as long as he wins.

OBR has allies in the story of Wrath of the Everchosen -Only a minor spoiler for WotE ahead, nothing about the conclusion. People who comment please avoid spoilers as well- So in the story of the book, one of the first things Katakros does in his plan to seize the Eightpoints is realize his units will hard pressed to push through the defenses of Chaos’ Dreadholds. In a move a smart general would make, he sends word to Lady Olynder to lead her procession as a vanguard for his forces as they can pass through the walls and gates with ease, and open the way for his soldiers. In the first battle, the death alliance even raises the bodies of the dead chaos defenders as zombies as send them through the Endgate as chaff to cover the OBR advance. This happens several times, showing narratively, that Katakros is not above using other types of undead when he rightly realizes that they would be better tools for the job than his elite troops. He willingly initiates alliances with Nighthaunt and Deathmages (who made zombies for him). Let OBR use, and be, allies on the tabletop. It would only take one sentence to solve the “relentless discipline for command abilities” problem, by not letting RDP be used for command abilities of non OBR units. It remains one of the more disappointing choices in my eyes that Nagash’s view of a united undead-topia are spearheaded by a force unable to take or be allied in other forces, solely because of poor design choices.

He has a moon-tipped rod in his left hand, and some sort of lantern in his right hand. I wonder if the commanders of each squad will be mini-wizards. This does make it seem like each unit can be buffed in several ways by its magical commander.

It will be really boring if Archaon wins again. If GW stays true to form, Katakros will start making a real push somehow, then skaven will pop in, blow something up, and the status wuo will be restored.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/17/the-return-of-teclisgw-homepage-post-1/ So besides being excited to see the new art, is anyone else really confused at how hard GW seem to be trying to distance themselves from Tyrion? Reading this article, they make it sound like Teclis was doing all this on his own, even Morathi is barely a foot note, when it would have been more accurate to name drop Malerion as the god of shadow when making the penumbral realm. Which is odd, because in earlier AoS lore, they name Tyrion and Teclis the twin Gods of Light. The last time I’ve even heard Tyrions name mentioned by GW was a sentence back in Forbidden Power where they mentioned his angry voice coming out of the shadows while talking to Tyrion about the Enlightenment Engines. Which also worries me. Besides being blind, does something seem to be “wrong” with Tyrion? It may just be me worrying, and GW saving Tyrion and Malerion for a duel box Light/Shadow aelf release or something, but it just seems weird the distance they have put between the two Twin Gods of Hysh.

So... Arkhan, Nagash and Morghasts get increased points, they lose the extra spells, lose Morghasts as battleline with Nagash, and First Cohort doesn’t change even though one of it’s rules is outdated? At least Morghasts can be healed now, but First Cohort was already too expensive.

So, just as a curiosity, has anyone considered a Boneshaper or Soulreaper on a Balewind Vortex? Gets them another cast, to a 3+ save (2+ with Petrifex), and boosts their spells to 24” Range. Haven’t tried it, just popped into my head on the way home today. Might be fun on the soulreaper if he is blobbed up defending an objective or something?