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If the sword in particular isn't death I'll eat my hat! There was also this one which seems pretty Soulblightish to me, although the style is different. Doubt we will be seeing a new death faction this year although it would be great if we did!

OG Petrifex Elite were the best, Nagash and Morghasts were almost worth taking, now not so much...

As I went with Ossiarch Bonereapers, I'd have to say I'd go for the Leige, much prefer the model and in the colour scheme you've chosen really pops.

Ah, thats a shame. Still might not rule them out of the equation. I'd prefer my soulblight vampires to have sleeves though...

Doesn't the artwork with the sleeveless buff vamps watching Lady Olynder greet Nagash have them armed with such weapons? At work so can't check

Nighthaunt?! Unrendable, access to mortal wounds and they can fly. Spirit Hosts have always shone for me when I've used Nighthaunt; more natural sixes then there is the any right to turn up!

So now that Mr. Hat has been thoroughly hit with the Nerf Stick, due to combination of losing the save bonus in Petrifex and losing access to all the nice realm spells. What are everyones thoughts? Personally I'd argue there no way he is 880 points now, back down to 800 or perhaps less. But hey.

That's all very well and good until he rocks up at an objective and wipes everything out.

Honest question; would there have been so much uproar if Ossiarch bonereapers were all +1 save army wide when they came out? Mortek guard 3+ as standard, liege kavalos 2+ as standard. Petrifaction would then have some other ability. OBR are meant to be Nagashs greatest work and well they certainly don’t seem it anymore. I honestly believe they should have replaced bludgeon rather than unstoppable juggernauts, it fits with their lore!

And Gotrek stayed the same. He is a negative play experience more so then Petrifex were in my opinion. Petrifex still died, maybe Mortek guard should have been exempt from the +1 save given their ability but I really don't see why everything else had to suffer. By contrast in every game I've played against Gotrek I've never been able to kill him. I've tried swamping him with horde units to tie him up, which doesn't take him too long to chew through and i've tried the other route of sending VLOZD + Morghasts into him for high rend, high damage attacks (which leads to disappointment as he just shrugs them off) and then spirit host for mortal wounds which he also gets a 3+ ward against! I now just refuse to play against lists with him in as I have found it to be no fun whatsover to play against. People moan about how bad Nagash was is; he's another 340 more points than the dwarf and nowhere near as survivable.

Cue the barrage of OBR stuff on ebay. Personally I was always of the opinion Nagash should have a 2+ save and Morghasts should have a 3+ save, even with the reduction in points I still think they need something else for most people to even consider fielding them.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/IzdxHDJErpTOVpVf.pdf I give up. Really didn't think Petrifex were that broken if I'm honest.

This may be old news but has anyone realized how disgusting Nagash becomes in Petrifex if you keep a Leige Kavalos with Helm of the ordained near him? +1 to attacks (leiges ability, +1 to hit (from the helm), -1 rend (from the petrifex ability) and Nagash's own command ability to reroll hit and save rolls of one. I've just made this list which isn't optimum I know but should be good fun hopefully. Allegiance: Ossiarch Bonereapers- Legion: Petrifex EliteLeadersNagash, Supreme Lord of the Undead (880)Liege-Kavalos (200)- Artefact: Helm of the OrdainedMortisan Boneshaper (130)- General- Command Trait: Mighty Archaeossian- Artefact: Godbone Armour- Lore of Mortisans: Arcane CommandMortisan Soulmason (140)- Lore of Mortisans: Empower Nadirite WeaponsBattleline10 x Mortek Guard (130)- Nadirite Blade and Shield- 2x Soulcleaver Greatblades10 x Mortek Guard (130)- Nadirite Blade and Shield10 x Mortek Guard (130)- Nadirite Blade and ShieldBattalionsMortek Shield-corps (120)Endless Spells / Terrain / CPsNightmare Predator (40)Umbral Spellportal (70)Prismatic Palisade (30)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 63

Wasn't it kept to appease the Perry twins? It's a long time ago now but I vaguely recall it being stated, that it was their love for "proper" Knights that kept Bretonia around.

Some people believe it's more fitting to just view Flesh Eater Courts as what became of Bretonia.

I usually play Grand Host for my love of Morghasts but with the points reductions to Vhordrai and Blood knights I've been toying with the following list. Any pointers would be much appreciated as I'm not well versed with them. I've taken the unit of 20 chainrasps just to have a decent sized unit to camp on an objective (and the ethereal bonus). Allegiance: Legion of BloodLeadersVampire Lord (140)- General- Mount: Nightmare- Command Trait: Aura of Dark Majesty- Artefact: Soulbound Garments- Lore of the Vampires: Amaranthine OrbPrince Vhordrai (460)- Lore of the Vampires: Vile TransferenceVampire Lord (140)- Mount: Flying Horror- Artefact: Shadeglass Decanter- Lore of the Vampires: Amethystine PinionsBattleline20 x Chainrasp Horde (160)5 x Dire Wolves (70)5 x Dire Wolves (70)Units5 x Blood Knights (180)5 x Blood Knights (180)5 x Blood Knights (180)10 x Hexwraiths (260)BattalionsCastellans of the Crimson Keep (150)Total: 1990 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 129

Thanks never really looked at it before and just assumed the warscroll on the website would be correct!

Games Workshop need to update the link for the warcsroll then! On the community site the link takes you straight to the old one!

Why is the coven thrones command ability so important? You get the first turn if the dice roll is tied, extremely circumstantial and rarely happens in any games I have had in the last two years. For the record I am a Vhordrai fan and consider him to be head and shoulders above a regular VLOZD especially now ethereal amulet is not a thing.

There's certain things I miss about fantasy, challenges, combat resoloution and Vampire Lords being good. A lot of the background as well. I remember when the end times Archaon book came out and the wild speculation of what would come next, bubble worlds (realms) and round bases both turned out to be true. Overall I quite like age of Sigmar and kind of agree it was better to blow the old world up entirely then just do a soft restart after Archaon killed Sigmar or however else they would have finished End TImes.

There's always next year...

I’ve always found them worth it. Flicking through the new one today the only thing I’m peeved about is all the malign sorcery stuff getting squated. But Vhordrai is now da man! So swings and roundabouts

I wasn't going to get the generals handbook this year. That has changed

Blatantly a ripped sail from the upcoming Vampire Coast Release! I typed that then remembered the weird crab thing from a while back oh dear 😅

Would that mean he would have to be Ethereal?! 🙂