Warhammer - The Old World

[Twisted Firaun]

49 minutes ago, Snorri Nelriksson said:

Imho they will fuse the aesthetics....Azgorh legion was a specific subset of Daw Zharr empire.
In Total war they seems to have mantained both...if Aos will not change much the new chaos dwarves i could see them mixing again the two ideas (Legion of Azgorh still has top hats and mesopotamian elements so i don't think they'll change it too much).

I have a feeling that it’ll lean more towards Azgorh than classic chorfs, if only so that it matches whatever GW has going on with them in AOS. We’ve already seen hints of a more “industrial Mesopotamian” feel for the army from the Hobgrots and Horns of Hashut, so I will assume that the chorfs will follow that look form now on.

[Kaleb Daark]

19 hours ago, Twisted Firaun said:

I sure hope so! My only question is which "Arab" culture are they going to use as a base for them? Are they going with the Abbasids, the Ottomans, the Safavid Persians? It may seem trivial but depending on which one they choose we could get some really crazy armies and characters to build armies around.

sir needs to cast his mind back to Mad Mullah Aklan'ds death commandos for that answer.

This was the only araby model set ever really fleshed out. Tony Ackland was one of the kingpins of citadel miniatures back in the day and this was a nod to him back when citadel had a wry sense of humour, and what you could get away with in satire was very different to what would be acceptable now.

http://www.solegends.com/citrr/1rr06mullahs/index.htm

[Kaleb Daark]

14 hours ago, Snorri Nelriksson said:

Imho they will fuse the aesthetics....Azgorh legion was a specific subset of Daw Zharr empire.
In Total war they seems to have mantained both...if Aos will not change much the new chaos dwarves i could see them mixing again the two ideas (Legion of Azgorh still has top hats and mesopotamian elements so i don't think they'll change it too much).

I suppose one could argue that Astragoth is still powerful enough to demand the tithe of bodies and reinforcements from whatever outpost or penal colony he chooses, hence the Legion elements being present ?

Edited March 21, 2023 by Kaleb Daark

[Blueraven84]

Don't know if this is just rumour reverb but chaos vs kislev starter and end of the year release:

 

 

[Twisted Firaun]

5 hours ago, Kaleb Daark said:

sir needs to cast his mind back to Mad Mullah Aklan'ds death commandos for that answer.

This was the only araby model set ever really fleshed out. Tony Ackland was one of the kingpins of citadel miniatures back in the day and this was a nod to him back when citadel had a wry sense of humour, and what you could get away with in satire was very different to what would be acceptable now.

http://www.solegends.com/citrr/1rr06mullahs/index.htm

Yeah, you can't really do models like these anymore without somebody coming after you. However, that doesn't mean that we can't get some really awesome models if GW plays their cards right. I personally just really want to see how'd they do Djinn in the modern era, as those kits could be really diverse and kit-bash worthy if done correctly.

 

24 minutes ago, Blueraven84 said:

Don't know if this is just rumour reverb but chaos vs kislev starter and end of the year release:

 

 

I want to believe this, but we've seen more Bretonnian and Tomb Kings stuff recently than Kislev, so who knows how this will turn out?

[Baron Klatz]

Bet you anything by July the new Starter rumor will be Chorfs vs Cathay.  
 

I’m with group Empire vs Empire. 4 Empire factions in a Horus Heresy styled specialist game all about the civil war just makes too much sense. To me the recent stuff was just done to cool off the salt the first article heated up(“End Times 100% canon, get over it”)

[Twisted Firaun]

Just now, Baron Klatz said:

Bet you anything by July the new Starter rumor will be Chorfs vs Cathay.  
 

I’m with group Empire vs Empire. 4 Empire factions in a Horus Heresy styled specialist game all about the civil war just makes too much sense. To me the recent stuff was just done to cool off the salt the first article heated up(“End Times 100% canon, get over it”)

Alright @Baron Klatz, I'll take that bet and will be laughing when it turns out to be TK vs Chorfs instead. 

[Baron Klatz]

The battle of big hats vs big titles!

[Twisted Firaun]

Just now, Baron Klatz said:

The battle of big hats vs big titles!

DESERT VS WASTELAND! STONE VS STEEL! DEATH VS CHAOS!!! LET THE BATTLE OF CONSTRUCTS BEGIN!!!!!!

[HorticulusTGA]

21 hours ago, Blueraven84 said:

t chaos vs kislev starter and end of the year

Absolutely glorious if true. I want to see Norsca vs Kislev. 

But it's probably rumor reverb (i.e. fake) because that would mean two whole new models ranges (like redoing the "Marauders" part of Hordes of Chaos with Troll Country monsters).

[Noserenda]

Didnt they do a Warmaster Araby army at one point? 

Id fully expect Total war to generally be years ahead of Old World when it comes to new armies given their lead time! 

[Snorri Nelriksson]

22 hours ago, Noserenda said:

Didnt they do a Warmaster Araby army at one point?

Yes.
 

[KingKull]

On 3/21/2023 at 4:47 PM, Blueraven84 said:

Don't know if this is just rumour reverb but chaos vs kislev starter and end of the year release:

 

 

That bloke is a muppet and I'm pretty sure he gets his rumors here (I think he passed on some of the convo as "rumors"). Still appreciate he's making ToW content, even though it's laughable and vapid most of the time.

FWIW, Valrak allegedly confirmed Seraphon were dual use for ToW.

FWIW 2, Inner Circle confirmed brets vs TK, allegedly said they're getting a healthy number of new releases, new ToW stuff to come out on a regular basis of 3-6 months for next 2 years.

He also said that GW is pretty confident that it's going to be a success, but the one thing that could "harm" the game to an extent is their production capacity (they're allegedly already struggling to produce enough of the stuff they already have in offer - sounds like a good problem to have though).

IIRC (but it's possible that I don't), he was sceptical of 2023 release, perhaps late in the year.

Edited March 25, 2023 by KingKull

[Beliman]

12 hours ago, KingKull said:

Valrak allegedly confirmed Seraphon were dual use for ToW.

Really? The new Seraphon have a lot more tech-elements or even diferent dinosaurs than Fantasy LM. Feels weird.

It sounds like a wishlist to me but hope that I'm wrong.

Edited March 25, 2023 by Beliman

[Chikout]

4 minutes ago, Beliman said:

Really? The new Seraphon have a lot more tech-elements or even diferent dinosaurs than Fantasy LM. Feels weird.

It spunds like a wishlist but hope that I'm wrong.

I watched that video. He didn't confirm anything. It was just his theory. 

 

[Skreech Verminking]

2 hours ago, Chikout said:

I watched that video. He didn't confirm anything. It was just his theory. 

 

I haven’t watched the video yet, but we should always be aware that even rumors can often just be wishlisting and theories.

with that said, man am I excited for old world.

considering if some of the rumors are true.

(also I don’t trust whitfang.)

[KingKull]

5 hours ago, Chikout said:

I watched that video. He didn't confirm anything. It was just his theory. 

 

Thanks. That's why I said "allegedly" because I didn't watch it either, but a friend gave me the info after watching a few days ago.

[Twisted Firaun]

 

[The Lost Sigmarite]

It would make sense for TOW to drop for winter 2023. Autumn is gonna be occupied by Cities of Sigmar and likely FEC for AoS, and the rumoured Votann 2nd wave for 40k, and the obligatory specialist games release. But winter is pretty free since by then all AoS 3rd BTs will be done and you can't do all new 40k codexes in a trimester. And like the video above says, people would be more inclined to buy for Christmas. 

I don't know if I'm gonna play TOW. Probably not, but never say never. But if you've been waiting for it and you get it this year, good for you, the wait will be finally over.

[Baron Klatz]

Haha, opens with “I don’t know how valid these rumors are”.  

Strong rumors without an actual leak source just means persistent wish-listing by an echo chamber.

Just look at how recently the warhammer community was super certain the new Freeguild would be a stand-in for the Empire and we got (far better) Discworld Fable guards instead? And before that all the Fimir & Hobgoblin rumors about the Kruleboyz or that Chaurdin were certain for 2022-2023, etc.

Also I love how he really started doubting his own “sources” once the $250 1000 point starter set rumors popped up like he was cherry picking the good parts from the bad.

Was a fun listen but hilarious clickbait regardless.

late 2024 to even 2026 expectations haven’t changed on my part. Just no youtubers want to say that and lose their hype trains.

[The Lost Sigmarite]

18 minutes ago, Baron Klatz said:

Haha, opens with “I don’t know how valid these rumors are”.  

Strong rumors without an actual leak source just means persistent wish-listing by an echo chamber.

Hopium and wishlisting have always been a strong component of the WFB/TOW community since 2015. I mean, AoS is gonna flop anytime soon, right guys ? Right ? 

 

20 minutes ago, Baron Klatz said:

Was a fun listen but hilarious clickbait regardless.

One thing that makes me chuckle is when he talks about new blood. Obviously the old grognards will be back (for better or worse) but new blood from TWW players ? I don't know. Many TWW players aren't likely to come and play TOW when they see how much money and time consuming tabletop wargaming is, even though they say they are "interested" and that "they would rather play TOW than AoS". It's all fun and happiness until the would be beginners get a scale of what the hobby demands.

[Baron Klatz]

26 minutes ago, The Lost Sigmarite said:

but new blood from TWW players ? I don't know. Many TWW players aren't likely to come and play TOW when they see how much money and time consuming tabletop wargaming is, even though they say they are "interested" and that "they would rather play TOW than AoS". It's all fun and happiness until the would be beginners get a scale of what the hobby demands.

Indeed. I’ve seen at least 3,”will you be getting into TOW?” polls on the TWW Reddit and at best the majority say “it depends” or just “no” because of the prices & commitments.

I mean just look at how the community flipped out at the $5 increase on a $20 dlc that gave them a full faction and map reworks. 
 

Apply that to $55+ Rulebooks & $200 army investments to a mass battle game likely to need Far more troops than what 40k or AoS need and you can hear the hard Nopes from here.

Not that TWW hasn’t drawn in plenty of fans into all the Warhammer systems but expecting them to transplant seamlessly between the two is foolhardy. It’d be easier to argue TWW will hurt TOW in the long run as that gives you all the armies, battle scenarios and multiplayer experiences at a cheaper price and with no messy hobby work to get there.

Edited March 25, 2023 by Baron Klatz

[Jator]

12 hours ago, Beliman said:

Really? The new Seraphon have a lot more tech-elements or even diferent dinosaurs than Fantasy LM. Feels weird.

It sounds like a wishlist to me but hope that I'm wrong.

Not saying the rumour is true, but I don't think the tech is a problem here. They had it in Fantasy too (ziggurats flew to the space, after all), just wasn't reflected in the miniatures.

[The Lost Sigmarite]

14 minutes ago, Baron Klatz said:

Indeed. I’ve seen at least 3,”will you be getting into TOW?” polls on the TWW Reddit and at best the majority say “it depends” or just “no” because of the prices & commitments.

I mean just look at how the community flipped out at the $5 increase on a $20 dlc that gave them a full faction and map reworks. 

Reminds me of the meme with the speaker giving a speech to a crowd :

"Who is hyped for TOW ?" - Everybody raises hands

"Who will actually get into TOW when it comes out ?" - No one raises hands

What's crazy is that they would get a better bang for their buck by playing 40k or AoS but they won't, because they want Old World and nothing else. It's crazy to think that the TWW community mostly jumped on the "We hate AoS" bandwagon because... reasons, but they have actually never played (any kind of) tabletop. Basically LARPing as WFB grognards. You're right in saying they're quite volatile, and the Chorf DLC has shown that. I don't know if that's the kind of players I want to see at my FLGS.

Edited March 25, 2023 by The Lost Sigmarite

[Baron Klatz]

16 minutes ago, Jator said:

Not saying the rumour is true, but I don't think the tech is a problem here. They had it in Fantasy too (ziggurats flew to the space, after all), just wasn't reflected in the miniatures.

Well it’ll depend on what aesthetic they want to go for. The tech stuff started happening in 7th edition because that’s when AoS was In it’s planning stages(so more tech and crazy monsters replacing classic ones) which culminated in the End Times spaceships which surprised everyone because the merest hint we got was the “Star-vessels of the Old Ones covered in greenskin spores flew through the void to the world” the 7th edition Big Red Rulebook had.

Compare them to Cubicle7’s offerings and they could do a separate primitive line to work with the older timeline of the Three Emperors Civil War.

I could see them making a seperate line like this specifically for TOW instead of Seraphon that’d be used for Seraphon too as Coalesced feral upgrades .

29 minutes ago, The Lost Sigmarite said:

Reminds me of the meme with the speaker giving a speech to a crowd :

"Who is hyped for TOW ?" - Everybody raises hands

"Who will actually get into TOW when it comes out ?" - No one raises hands

What's crazy is that they would get a better bang for their buck by playing 40k or AoS but they won't, because they want Old World and nothing else. It's crazy to think that the TWW community mostly jumped on the "We hate AoS" bandwagon because... reasons, but they have actually never played (any kind of) tabletop. Basically LARPing as WFB grognards. You're right in saying they're quite volatile, and the Chorf DLC has shown that. I don't know if that's the kind of players I want to see at my FLGS.

Very much so.

Though I usually detest 4chan someone did sum up the situation elegantly.

”TWW fans want to enjoy the hobby and talk with the old fans without the hobby.

Old grognards want to enjoy the game and talk to the fans without actually playing the videogame.

They want to interact without investing in the others way to enjoy warhammer so they found a common ground they both can do, hating on Age of Sigmar.” 
 

It’s a rather toxic friendship built on a hate bandwagon and much like Cathay and Nu-Kislev already caused a divide(because TWW don’t care about the setting’s norms when cool new stuff is on display) it’s bound for a rocky end when their interests do start to crash together and they end up not as invested as they thought they’d be.