Warhammer - The Old World

[Snorri Nelriksson]

2 hours ago, Loyal Son of Khemri said:

I probably sound like a broken record, but what (if anything) do you hope GW imports from Total War into TOW besides Kislev and Cathay? 

Besides the Hierotitan and Nehekharan warriors (khopeshes rule), I hope that the Vampire Coast gets plastic models. They're a fun army and barring one character (Aranessa Saltspite) they're all old/dead so they could easily be ported over. 

TBH i'd prefer the design team to stick to the old artworks  than import the "total war version" of those units(while they are similar in many cases also).
I'd love some older things back from the game like Zoats\Fimir and such also.

 

Edited May 12, 2022 by Snorri Nelriksson

[KingKull]

On 5/12/2022 at 7:48 PM, Loyal Son of Khemri said:

One thing I'm hoping for is that Tamurkhan and his brothers make an appearance/return, and bring about a range of turkic-inspired warriors of chaos models. I'd also like to see Araby get some new models, but I can wait.

Well, you don't really need Tamurkhan for that (in addition to the fact that he ascended much later than the supposed time period for ToW).

OTOH, ToW is supposed to be set relatively close to the Great War Against Chaos, and I'd be damned if they don't eventually lead up to it, as it's as close as it comes to a free-for-all, setting-defining event akin to Heresy that the Old World has. 

And since Asavar Kul, the Everchosen that started the war, was king of the Kurgan, it'd be only reasonable for the mainstay of his forces (and thus the "default" chaos warrior/marauder) to be Kurgan as well.

Although I doubt that GW would actually follow through with a design choice as described above (or even make chaos models specific to ToW), I'd really, *really* love it to happen as the Kurgan are definitely my favorite chaos-native people/nation.

[Vomikron]

With the current shake up with Forgeworld how do we see The Old World moving forward? Will they be plastic kits like the new Heresy edition? 

[Twisted Firaun]

2 hours ago, Vomikron said:

With the current shake up with Forgeworld how do we see The Old World moving forward? Will they be plastic kits like the new Heresy edition? 

Hoping for plastic “main” kits (troops and heroes) with named characters being Forgeworld quality resin sculpts.

[Vomikron]

22 hours ago, Loyal Son of Khemri said:

Hoping for plastic “main” kits (troops and heroes) with named characters being Forgeworld quality resin sculpts.

I’m hoping for this too.
 

I also wouldn’t be against them reusing troop WHFB units that are still in AoS. this is mostly because I plan on buying a load of Dark Elves soon, but still.

[RuneBrush]

On 7/17/2022 at 1:22 PM, Vomikron said:

With the current shake up with Forgeworld how do we see The Old World moving forward? Will they be plastic kits like the new Heresy edition? 

Pretty sure this was always the intention, although seeing how many models we've got in plastic for age of darkness leaves me more positive we'll get more plastic rather than less!

[Tervindar]

I really hope that we get some sort of concrete news, the drip feeding of articles is rough and if this is still an active project anymore. Just knowing the direction on how they may take armies etc. would be helpful in terms of continuing motivation. Pretty much, just looking forward to this from GW, at this point, besides the HH stuff. 

Edited August 2, 2022 by Tervindar

[Sunshine]

1 hour ago, Tervindar said:

I really hope that we get some sort of concrete news, the drip feeding of articles is rough and if this is still an active project anymore. Just knowing the direction on how they may take armies etc. would be helpful in terms of continuing motivation. Pretty much, just looking forward to this from GW, at this point, besides the HH stuff. 

When was the last proper news article? The last one I remember was the FAQ thing they did and I think it was July 2021. I was hoping we would start to get frequent articles by now and news about how the basing will work (can we use rounds or will it be square only). I am hoping we will see Games Workshop make the old models available again, at least on a made to order run, as we get closer to release.

[Tervindar]

17 minutes ago, Sunshine said:

When was the last proper news article? The last one I remember was the FAQ thing they did and I think it was July 2021. I was hoping we would start to get frequent articles by now and news about how the basing will work (can we use rounds or will it be square only). I am hoping we will see Games Workshop make the old models available again, at least on a made to order run, as we get closer to release.

I don't even recall but it has been quite some time I think. Just a more specific article would be great instead of a lore piece every 6 months. Like will there be movement trays that can be used for rounds or squares? are hordes from 8th still in or are we more using unit sizes from 6th? etc; as an example. Would just be nice to know. 

[Twisted Firaun]

18 minutes ago, Sunshine said:

When was the last proper news article? The last one I remember was the FAQ thing they did and I think it was July 2021. I was hoping we would start to get frequent articles by now and news about how the basing will work (can we use rounds or will it be square only). I am hoping we will see Games Workshop make the old models available again, at least on a made to order run, as we get closer to release.

The last article was a confirmation of Cathay with a map. There was a mention of Hobgoblin Khans and a series of minor Chaos tribes and their fortresses in the surrounding area.

[Baron Klatz]

4 hours ago, Tervindar said:

and if this is still an active project anymore.

Well insider rumblings aren’t great. There’s talk that the project lead Tony Cottrell left. 

Personally wouldn’t be surprised if they kept this on a slow burn for several years just to take advantage of the PR with older fans.

Like right off the bat we know it’s a small team and even the Forge World ads put it on the bottom of their lists:

“As Digital Illustrator you will be originating, designing and producing high quality digital artwork that will feature within the pages of the Specialist Design Studio range of books; such as The Horus Heresy, Blood Bowl, Necromunda, Adeptus Titanicus, Aeronautica Imperialis, and going forwards Warhammer – the Old World.”

but now with how much global prices have risen across the board since they first planned it…

well you look at a Forge World dwarven army and what even a “sensible” 6th edition rank-and-flank force is and I’m sure a lot of hype will turn to ash when those details fill out compare to now when there’s people imagining anything.

 

That plus resin and it’s not exactly set to come out blazing. So I can imagine why they’re going heavy on dripping the information out as long as possible.

[Tervindar]

27 minutes ago, Baron Klatz said:

Well insider rumblings aren’t great. There’s talk that the project lead Tony Cottrell left. 

Personally wouldn’t be surprised if they kept this on a slow burn for several years just to take advantage of the PR with older fans.

Like right off the bat we know it’s a small team and even the Forge World ads put it on the bottom of their lists:

“As Digital Illustrator you will be originating, designing and producing high quality digital artwork that will feature within the pages of the Specialist Design Studio range of books; such as The Horus Heresy, Blood Bowl, Necromunda, Adeptus Titanicus, Aeronautica Imperialis, and going forwards Warhammer – the Old World.”

but now with how much global prices have risen across the board since they first planned it…

well you look at a Forge World dwarven army and what even a “sensible” 6th edition rank-and-flank force is and I’m sure a lot of hype will turn to ash when those details fill out compare to now when there’s people imagining anything.

 

That plus resin and it’s not exactly set to come out blazing. So I can imagine why they’re going heavy on dripping the information out as long as possible.

I just don't see them doing regular infantry and cavalry as resin, maybe i'm wrong but if they do that would really hamper the return of the old world. I could see them re-releasing plastic kits, as I highly doubt those molds were thrown away back in 2015. I could definitely see heroes and characters return in resin from Forgeworld. Although, with HH it may bode a bit better for us although, those are all primarily shared model kits, unlike fantasy.

[Baron Klatz]

23 minutes ago, Tervindar said:

d. I could see them re-releasing plastic kits, as I highly doubt those molds were thrown away back in 2015.

See? The joy of PR boosted by imagining the best outcomes compared to insiders like Hastings saying it’s gonna be 95% resin.  (And I mean come on, if LotR is still getting resin then this will too)

Lends credence why they don’t want to put a fine point on anything yet.

Edited August 2, 2022 by Baron Klatz

[Twisted Firaun]

20 minutes ago, Tervindar said:

I just don't see them doing regular infantry and cavalry as resin, maybe i'm wrong but if they do that would really hamper the return of the old world. I could see them re-releasing plastic kits, as I highly doubt those molds were thrown away back in 2015. I could definitely see heroes and characters return in resin from Forgeworld. Although, with HH it may bode a bit better for us although, those are all primarily shared model kits, unlike fantasy.

I sincerely hope that they didn’t throw those molds away, otherwise I’ll never get a decently priced Necrosphinx (those things go for 200-400 on EBay).

11 minutes ago, Baron Klatz said:

See? The joy of PR boosted by imagining the best outcomes compared to insiders like Hastings saying it’s gonna be 95% resin.  

Lends credence why they don’t want to put a fine point on anything yet.

I think we should reach to Hastings if at all possible and see if he/she/they have any new information. Otherwise we’re gonna have to rely on the most dangerous weapon of all: hope.

[Beliman]

7 hours ago, Baron Klatz said:

Well insider rumblings aren’t great. There’s talk that the project lead Tony Cottrell left

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that Tony Cottrell is on the arts team, sculpting miniatures. And not in charge of TOW project. I think that Andy Hoare is still at the front of this project:

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We also managed to catch up with the project’s leader, Andy Hoare, who joined us to answer some of the most hotly debated questions about the game’s development.

I'm not sure if TOW team and HH team are the same, but their Horus Heres seems to be blast!! With three books of rules, it has a lot less problems than other main GW games. Their community's approach is diferent too, in the first days after launch, they revealed a roadmap of the game with dates for their PDFs, new books and when they are going to release plastic models, something that not even AoS or 40k has (appart from a roadmap of new books).

Another great point was to make all shared models between legions in plastic, and the weapon packs to build 70% of the infantry units (something that I'm really interested to see for TOW), but let's see how it's done.

Appart from a few minor problems (1 wounds bikes without bulky, but that probably just me) I think that they did a really good job to bring new live to a niche game, I hope to see the same quality for TOW.

[derpherp]

Well, if they weren't motivated to do some stuff in plastic then they probably are now that the Horus Heresy has blown up and become their third pillar.

I can definitely see them trying to hype up a big box set trying to emulate the Horus Heresy's success.

 

I wouldnt be at all surprised if we got something like this trailer either:

 

[novakai]

IDK The only rumbling that I heard was that the OW is suppose to replace the void left by HH in forge world now that it got move into GW proper. I didn’t get the inkling that it was suppose to be another big pillar for GW and this project was going to be another long running side project like pre Age of darkness Horus heresy.

[Tervindar]

4 hours ago, novakai said:

IDK The only rumbling that I heard was that the OW is suppose to replace the void left by HH in forge world now that it got move into GW proper. I didn’t get the inkling that it was suppose to be another big pillar for GW and this project was going to be another long running side project like pre Age of darkness Horus heresy.

I really hope this isn't true, I don't feel like resin bodes well for army level games like fantasy. I feel like its a missed opportunity to not market it more with Warhammer Total War 3. 

[Baron Klatz]

2 hours ago, Tervindar said:

I feel like its a missed opportunity to not market it more with Warhammer Total War 3. 

I mean they kinda missed the boat on that anyway. Empire is by and far the most popular TWW faction but very few players have interest in this because(besides the cost and resin) it’s so far in the past that the faces of the game like Karl Franz and Gelt won’t be around nor other popular things like Rockets, Battle Wizards nor their wizard wagons.

That it’ll likely come out years after TWW hype has cooled off(2024-2026) and well..

A lot of people are criticizing it that it should’ve been announced now(or after TWW3’s release) to have kept the hype and showable teases fresh instead of back in 2019 when all they had was a logo made just to destabilize King of War’s 3rd edition announcement.

[Beliman]

8 hours ago, novakai said:

IDK The only rumbling that I heard was that the OW is suppose to replace the void left by HH in forge world now that it got move into GW proper.

But HH is still a Forgeworld game. Plastic production and being sold on GW is more about how they can reach more ppl than anything else.

[Twisted Firaun]

1 hour ago, Baron Klatz said:

I mean they kinda missed the boat on that anyway. Empire is by and far the most popular TWW faction but very few players have interest in this because(besides the cost and resin) it’s so far in the past that the faces of the game like Karl Franz and Gelt won’t be around nor other popular things like Rockets, Battle Wizards nor their wizard wagons.

That it’ll likely come out years after TWW hype has cooled off(2024-2026) and well..

A lot of people are criticizing it that it should’ve been announced now(or after TWW3’s release) to have kept the hype and showable teases fresh instead of back in 2019 when all they had was a logo made just to destabilize King of War’s 3rd edition announcement.

*Laughs in Nehekharan* Good thing my faction(s) of choice are either undead, puppets of fellbeings, or haven’t had proper miniatures released in ages.

[Baron Klatz]

1 hour ago, Beliman said:

But HH is still a Forgeworld game. Plastic production and being sold on GW is more about how they can reach more ppl than anything else.

I mean it’s been a Forge World game for decades that gathered a huge following with an insane amount of books before all this happened.

Realistically this new specialist game will have to go through the same ringer for decades as well And Succeed to get this treatment in the future too.

It’s extremely unlikely with what we know(small team and the like) that it’ll launch anything close to HH’s new level but instead start at the resin bottom too.(though this feeds into my earlier statement about being vague so fans hype themselves up, that you guys keep envisioning Horus Heresy+ release is just free hype PR GW doesn’t have to do anything for.)

1 hour ago, Loyal Son of Khemri said:

or haven’t had proper miniatures released in ages.

Oh you are messing with a major monkey paw right now.  

[Twisted Firaun]

Just now, Baron Klatz said:

I mean it’s been a Forge World game for decades that gathered a huge following with an insane amount of books before all this happened.

Realistically this new specialist game will have to go through the same ringer for decades as well And Succeed to get this treatment in the future too.

It’s extremely unlikely with what we know(small team and the like) that it’ll launch anything close to HH’s new level but instead start at the resin bottom too.(though this feeds into my earlier statement about being vague so fans hype themselves up, that you guys keep envisioning Horus Heresy+ release is just free hype PR GW doesn’t have to do anything for.)

Oh you are messing with a major monkey paw right now.  

I'm referring to Kislev, Araby, and Cathay. Two out of three isn't that bad, and I can always kit bash the third into existence.

[RuneBrush]

On 8/2/2022 at 9:27 PM, Tervindar said:

I don't even recall but it has been quite some time I think. Just a more specific article would be great instead of a lore piece every 6 months. Like will there be movement trays that can be used for rounds or squares? are hordes from 8th still in or are we more using unit sizes from 6th? etc; as an example. Would just be nice to know. 

Pretty sure it'll be 100% square bases.  Moving to rounds increases the footprint of pretty much all miniatures which would just be amplified with movement trays, which makes a lot of difference for things like flanking and similar.  However funnier things have happened at sea!

On 8/3/2022 at 6:51 AM, Beliman said:

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that Tony Cottrell is on the arts team, sculpting miniatures. And not in charge of TOW project. I think that Andy Hoare is still at the front of this project:

I'm not sure if TOW team and HH team are the same, but their Horus Heres seems to be blast!! With three books of rules, it has a lot less problems than other main GW games. Their community's approach is diferent too, in the first days after launch, they revealed a roadmap of the game with dates for their PDFs, new books and when they are going to release plastic models, something that not even AoS or 40k has (appart from a roadmap of new books).

Another great point was to make all shared models between legions in plastic, and the weapon packs to build 70% of the infantry units (something that I'm really interested to see for TOW), but let's see how it's done.

Appart from a few minor problems (1 wounds bikes without bulky, but that probably just me) I think that they did a really good job to bring new live to a niche game, I hope to see the same quality for TOW.

Now my knowledge is certainly 2 years out of date, however Tony was/is the head of Forge World and Andy was the head of Specialist Games.  Over the last year or so we've been seeing "Specialist Design Studios" being used in lieu of Specialist Games & Forge World and HH has been brought under SDS along with Old World, Titanicus, Aeronautica, Hobbit & Bloodbowl.  My general impression is that it's a move to basically bring the old FW part of the business back into the main GW fold, although still running as it's own department.  In fact SDS even has it's own 'Eavy Metal team.

On 8/3/2022 at 9:17 PM, novakai said:

IDK The only rumbling that I heard was that the OW is suppose to replace the void left by HH in forge world now that it got move into GW proper. I didn’t get the inkling that it was suppose to be another big pillar for GW and this project was going to be another long running side project like pre Age of darkness Horus heresy.

HH/AoD is still part of Specialist Design Studio and still comes under the watchful eye of Andy Hoare.  The Old World was being done as the fantasy version of Age of Darkness and had it's own dedicated team responsible for it.

On 8/4/2022 at 5:33 AM, Beliman said:

But HH is still a Forgeworld game. Plastic production and being sold on GW is more about how they can reach more ppl than anything else.

100% The grapevine is still saying that Age of Darkness is considered GW's third "main" game.  If popular I could entirely see The Old World become a forth main game, however that's going to be some time away.

[Public Universal Duardin]

Has anyone heard any recent rumours about TOW? I had a slight realisation that I hadn't heard TOW mentioned in a while, when I was thinking on how GW seems to push HH. Seems the latest direct rumours are over half a year old...