The Rumour Thread

[CommissarRotke]

18 minutes ago, Vasshpit said:

From what I've gathered its not about the cooties at all, its about the slap to said nerds intelligence and the adding of said cooties for no other reason than to just add cooties to meet some invisible cootie quota. 

Might be in for a wild hobby ride, forum fam.... 😬

the assumption of this "quota" thing drives me up a wall... even if it does exist it is a purely vapid, profit-driven decision and based on nothing else.

and why would be a slap to intelligence..? why would anyone assume ANY IP's lore is immutable? this isn't a history book, it is fiction. you're not getting "gaslit" and we should already know by now that trusting corporations is a fool's game. this is one of the most nothingburger lore additions they've done. The Primaris debacle was 10x worse than this.

edit: you're allowed to be disappointed, sad, angry, whatever at decisions made in a narrative you care about. but GW has constantly done this throughout their history, just like Tolkien did with LOTR and basically everyone else does with their own IPs. in the grand scheme of lore changes, this is truly nothing but GW filling in an omission in a faction they're trying to develop further.

Edited April 23 by CommissarRotke

[Luperci]

3 minutes ago, CommissarRotke said:

the assumption of this "quota" thing drives me up a wall... even if it does exist it is a purely vapid, profit-driven decision and based on nothing else.

and why would be a slap to intelligence..? why would anyone assume ANY IP's lore is immutable? this isn't a history book, it is fiction. you're not getting "gaslit" and we should already know by now that trusting corporations is a fool's game. this is one of the most nothingburger lore additions they've done. The Primaris debacle was 10x worse than this.

Even if it was some kind of quota they were trying to fill, you'd see it in a new custodian guard kit or something, not a random lore excerpt.

[Vasshpit]

@CommissarRotke 

Idk if it's a real thing either. 

I think the general feeling of the "slap" was how it was handled. 

@Luperci

If it is real than you've got to start somewhere. 

Also I'm not trying to rile anyone up. I'm just passing along info pertaining to the company that makes the subject of this forum as well. 

Just fyi. 

Edited April 23 by Vasshpit

[CommissarRotke]

1 minute ago, Vasshpit said:

@CommissarRotke 

Idk if it's a real thing either. 

I think the general feeling of the "slap" was how it was handled. 

I've seen a little bit of that. i'll repost my edit: you're allowed to be disappointed, sad, angry, whatever at decisions made in a narrative you care about. but GW has constantly done this throughout their history, just like Tolkien did with LOTR and basically everyone else does with their own IPs. in the grand scheme of lore changes, this is truly nothing but GW filling in an omission in a faction they're trying to develop further. it should not be blowing up the fandom...

[Luperci]

1 minute ago, Vasshpit said:

@CommissarRotke 

Idk if it's a real thing either. 

I think the general feeling of the "slap" was how it was handled. 

It would've been worse if they made it into a big performance of "look how progressive we are", as a retcon, warhammer lore gets and has gotten retconned constantly, it's definitely a much bigger deal than people are making it out to be. Even if you do care, they're your toy soldiers just don't have them be women who cares.

[Chikout]

11 minutes ago, The Red King said:

I'm no financial guru but that would traditionally be a bad sign yeah? I mean they're not allowed to trade based on inside knowledge so obviously they would never do that lol.

But maybe it's nothing? 

 

Hmm on inspection. GW YTD, 6 month and even 1 month stock value is down. I'd love if this was backlash for Beasts of Chaos but A. It's probably just normal stock market stuff and B. It it was backlash it would be from the nerds who don't want to let cooties into their custodes.

She announced that she was stepping down back in January. It's not entirely surprising that someone leaving a long term job would sell their stake.

The stock price is down for two reasons. The first is that GW announced the reduction of their dividend. GW has been paying a lot of it's profit to share holders in the form of dividends for a while to point that they are in danger of eating into the company's cash flow. They are still giving a dividend which means they still believe they have excess profit to share with stock holders. 

The second is that the whole sector's growth is slowing. We've seen this slowdown in board and card games which collectively saw their sales fall last year. The video game space has seen mass lay offs over the last year or so. GW'S biggest rival Asmodee who owns Mass atomic games of MCP fame just got spun off by the Embracer group and saddled with a bunch of debt. GW is comparatively in a very safe place. Their performance has been solid but their rate of growth has declined since COVID boom. 

Most of the people buying and selling GW shares probably wouldn't even know what a space marine is. 

 

[Vasshpit]

1 minute ago, CommissarRotke said:

it should not be blowing up the fandom...

But it is none the less and it's good to acknowledge that and try to understand why. 

[Gitzdee]

50 minutes ago, Vasshpit said:

Also... 

Hmm, interesting...

Rachel Tongue, Games Workshop's current Chief Financial Officer, has sold roughly $875,000 of her share holdings in the firm, according to a share dealing notification Games Workshop published on Monday.

She obviously played BoC.

[novakai]

Well also the global market in general is going down because of fear of the Middle East escalation and UK market in general hasn’t been great. Selling now is probably the best time if you see the stock price going down

[Satyrical Sophist]

34 minutes ago, CommissarRotke said:

the assumption of this "quota" thing drives me up a wall... even if it does exist it is a purely vapid, profit-driven decision and based on nothing else.

and why would be a slap to intelligence..? why would anyone assume ANY IP's lore is immutable? this isn't a history book, it is fiction. you're not getting "gaslit" and we should already know by now that trusting corporations is a fool's game. this is one of the most nothingburger lore additions they've done. The Primaris debacle was 10x worse than this.

edit: you're allowed to be disappointed, sad, angry, whatever at decisions made in a narrative you care about. but GW has constantly done this throughout their history, just like Tolkien did with LOTR and basically everyone else does with their own IPs. in the grand scheme of lore changes, this is truly nothing but GW filling in an omission in a faction they're trying to develop further.

I think it’s real interesting that a lot of people suddenly care super hard about changes to the lore pretty much entirely when it involves anything getting less straight, white and male. The custodes thing has been very handy for finding out which content creators can happily go on the block list. 

[Vomikron]

5 minutes ago, Satyrical Sophist said:

I think it’s real interesting that a lot of people suddenly care super hard about changes to the lore pretty much entirely when it involves anything getting less straight, white and male. The custodes thing has been very handy for finding out which content creators can happily go on the block list. 

For the record I’m fine with female Custodes. Saying they’re ruining the lore or whatever is laughable considering there’s 50-something Horus Heresy books and Primarchs walking around in 40K. The way it seems to me is that the people who are upset see it as a cynical corporate move, and they just don’t have the sense to frame it in adult terms.

Edited April 24 by Vomikron

[Vasshpit]

16 minutes ago, Satyrical Sophist said:

I think it’s real interesting that a lot of people suddenly care super hard about changes to the lore pretty much entirely when it involves anything getting less straight, white and male. The custodes thing has been very handy for finding out which content creators can happily go on the block list. 

Do you think the backlash would of been equal had they added men to sisters of battle?

Edit: Irrelevant I suppose and meant no offense. Just trying to have a discussion. 

Edited April 24 by Vasshpit

[dmorley21]

1 hour ago, Vasshpit said:

Also... 

Hmm, interesting...

Rachel Tongue, Games Workshop's current Chief Financial Officer, has sold roughly $875,000 of her share holdings in the firm, according to a share dealing notification Games Workshop published on Monday.

 

 

She’s stepping down in Jan 2025. Selling her shares in stages would be part of this process. 

I’m not sure there’s really anything more to read into this. 

[HCMistborn]

3 minutes ago, Vasshpit said:

Do you think the backlash would of been equal had they added men to sisters of battle?

Straw meets man

[Kronos]

The Year is 2074, 10 years after the Civil strife in Warhammer World HQ. The Warring Clans -   Warhammer the Old World, AoS, and 40K have destabilised the Peace Treaties due to a disagreement on the Spelling of “Snotlings”. The Neutral Faction of “Specialist Designers” celebrate their first release in decades, “Bill The Pony- Get Back on the Road”. The internet brays with excitement at rumours that Malerion and his Aelves are just a couple of editions away.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 24 by Kronos

[novakai]

2 minutes ago, Kronos said:

The Year is 2074, 10 years after the Civil strife in Warhammer World HQ. The Warring Clans -   Warhammer the Old World, AoS, and 40K have destabilised the Peace Treaties due to a disagreement on the Spelling of “Snotlings”. The Neutral Faction of “Specialist Designers” celebrate their first release in decades, “Bill The Pony- Get Back on the Road”. The internet brays with excitement at rumours that Malerion and his Aelves are a just a couple of editions away.

 

 

 

 

I just assume we fail to curb Global warming by then 

[Satyrical Sophist]

4 minutes ago, Vasshpit said:

Do you think the backlash would of been equal had they added men to sisters of battle?

There already are men in sisters of battle. The priest stuff is mixed gender already. If you mean as in making the core sororitas mixed gender, there would have been a backlash yes. Gender is a core part of the faction, since sisters have always had a strong Joan of Arc/nun theme. Many players were drawn to them because of that theme. Like space marines have a strong warrior monk theme, with chapter monasteries and the like.
 

Custodes have never had that gendered theme. People have dug out references to “men” and “sons” and the like. Sure. We also refer to “mankind” and use man pretty much to refer to humans in general. Given each one is meant to be individually sculpted into something that barely resembles a human, gender hardly matters.

I do have sympathy for the custodes fan who got into them entirely due to the fantasy of being surrounded entirely by incredibly buff, oiled beautiful men though. I feel many people complaining wouldn’t list that as a reason though.

[Gitzdee]

48 minutes ago, Satyrical Sophist said:

 surrounded entirely by incredibly buff, oiled beautiful men though.

Someone is collecting the wrong army.

[novakai]

TBF for Custodes player their Codex release has been pan as one of the worst written one so far in 10th editions. So anger is everywhere 

[RyantheFett]

21 minutes ago, novakai said:

TBF for Custodes player their Codex release has been pan as one of the worst written one so far in 10th editions. So anger is everywhere 

Seems the trend so far is that every other Codex is pretty bad. Bright side is that it means every release we don't get a crazy overpowered faction that will have to get a ton of nurfs.

Will be interesting to see how AoS codexs will go.

[Gitzdee]

I really hope codex en tomes get squatted. At least for the army rules part. Just make them narrative books for the faction with some battleplans and path to glory and other fun stuff. But keep the rules out of it. They get invalidated before they hit the shelves anyway. Just make army rules and warscrolls a free pdf. I think this will only result in more sales of minis without the tome tax.

Edited April 24 by Gitzdee

[Dragon-knight77]

to get back on the rumor and speculation for 4th edition:

Anyone believe that their going to gut the lore section for Stormcast & Skaven tomes like they did with the Space marines and Tyranids codex? The Necron codex was surprisingly bounce back almost like they change course after the feedback 

that sort of the appeal of physical book now with WAAAG!pedia a thing 

[01rtb01]

1 hour ago, novakai said:

TBF for Custodes player their Codex release has been pan as one of the worst written one so far in 10th editions. So anger is everywhere 

The ork one is outstanding though 🤷

As for AoS, the rules we've seen so far don't feel like complete rewrite so much as an evolution. I'm not currently concerned. Anyone else in the same boat?

[novakai]

4 minutes ago, 01rtb01 said:

The ork one is outstanding though 🤷

As for AoS, the rules we've seen so far don't feel like complete rewrite so much as an evolution. I'm not currently concerned. Anyone else in the same boat?

Well yeah that was the biggest bummer both codexes came out the same time and the quality between the OrK and Custodes was so stark.

Granted this is pretty common with GW and it’s where the meme “Bin or Sin books” comes from

[MitGas]

3 hours ago, Vasshpit said:

Do you think the backlash would of been equal had they added men to sisters of battle?

Edit: Irrelevant I suppose and meant no offense. Just trying to have a discussion. 

Would‘ve been just as dumb but it‘s pretty clear Sisters of Silence were the female equivalent (broadly speaking) to Custodes, so the Custodes move is all in all pretty damn dumb as well.
 

Main problem I see (and I personally don‘t care too much about Custodes, for me they‘re the flaming homosexuals from If The Emperor Had A Text-To-Speech-Device as that was just too funny, so that‘s my headcanon and I don‘t want any other) is that fans IMO really overreact cause people are sick of the whole woke thing and usually it doesn‘t stop at just one change which makes them fear that it won’t be adapted well and the pro-female-Custodes side not acknowledging that the preference for a Custodes boy‘s club is valid in some ways, because they were always portrayed that way and simply instead use the typical killer arguments that those who dislike the change are right-wingers, misogynistic or behind the times. 
 

Youtube is a battlefield right now with a lot of the content creators hating on it and very few thinking it‘s good, it‘s definitely very negative for GW and Amazon.

 

There‘s also a rumor that Henry Cavill hates it so much he might drop out of the show as it reminds him of the whole Witcher fiasco but not sure if there is any truth to it. Apparently Amazon asked for female Custodes for the show. 
 

I‘m here and just thinking that I‘m glad I got no real stakes in this and that the obvious solution would‘ve been one of the Sisters (Battle or Silence, although I’d prefer more Sisters of Silence stuff) but w/e. But it‘s best to not discuss it here further as you‘ve got two groups of people in the fandom and neither will get convinced by the other anyways. I just hope this won‘t have too much of a negative impact and will tell everyone that is working on adaptions to view the lore as sacred. While this particular issue doesn‘t bother me (I don‘t like it either however, I‘m just ambivalent mostly, I wouldn‘t want other aspects to get changed just to make it more appealing to the boring masses. I‘d be instantly out if the Imperium was a nice place for example or similar totally wrong stuff.
 

I‘d also be rotating in my chair if we got female Spees mahrines like this tho, not gonna lie! 🤣 They should‘ve introduced the idea through the lore, like with Primaris IMO.