Sarouan Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 14 minutes ago, Chikout said: That's what I'm worried about with 4th. They could be in danger of overcorrecting after 3rd. They'll just do like with 40k : print on command if the stock runs out. Takes a bit longer, but you're guaranted to have it. The real issue is : will you care when your box arrives or will you already be going for the next "big hyping new release" that will follow afterwards ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikout Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 2 minutes ago, Sarouan said: They'll just do like with 40k : print on command if the stock runs out. Takes a bit longer, but you're guaranted to have it. The real issue is : will you care when your box arrives or will you already be going for the next "big hyping new release" that will follow afterwards ? I can't speak for anyone else, but my answer is a pretty emphatic yes I will care. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 53 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: Yeah, but not everyone is able to pay a big amount of money in one go, so maybe GW produces less boxes knowing that. Exactly, 200 euro is already stretching it. 250 euro or more is getting ridiculous. It doesn't matter if the percieved value is double or more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 2 minutes ago, Tonhel said: Exactly, 200 euro is already stretching it. 250 euro or more is getting ridiculous. It doesn't matter if the percieved value is double or more. Well, if TOW boxes sell out, and they are over the 200 mark... the sky is the limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 8 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: Well, if TOW boxes sell out, and they are over the 200 mark... the sky is the limit. Yeah, it currently cost 206 euro. Expensive, but that box had 76 mini's, corebook and loads of extra's. So paying 250 euro or more for less mini's is not good. Anyway still hoping that the box is 200 euro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollow Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 I think the AoS 4 launch box will be £150. The launch box serves all kinds of objectives and I think going for a higher price point would be a mistake. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikout Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 13 minutes ago, Tonhel said: Exactly, 200 euro is already stretching it. 250 euro or more is getting ridiculous. It doesn't matter if the percieved value is double or more. The Horus heresy box was $300 and by all accounts it sold very well. If GW follows its track record there will be smaller boxes later on. If you’re price conscious buy one of those. The Adeptus titanicus grand master box was $290, sold out, got reprinted and sold out again. I’ve no idea how much the new box will sell for but anything up to $300 wouldn’t be remotely surprising. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollow Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 I don't think directly comparing HH or ToW with AoS is fair. AoS launch box is a splash release. ToW, HH, LI, AT and Warcry are all fixtures of the range. AoS Launch is a recruitment tool (primarily for people already playing another of their systems or wargames) The starter sets are aimed more at brand new recruitment. GW wants people in the AoS door and the edition launch box is a great way to do so. It's also a one-and-done run, so producing more boxes makes each box cheaper. They might try and squeeze £160 or £170 but I would be surprised if they went to £200. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Chikout said: The Horus heresy box was $300 and by all accounts it sold very well. If GW follows its track record there will be smaller boxes later on. If you’re price conscious buy one of those. The Adeptus titanicus grand master box was $290, sold out, got reprinted and sold out again. I’ve no idea how much the new box will sell for but anything up to $300 wouldn’t be remotely surprising. The thing is that I bought for each AoS edition the launch box. Sadly, I didn't manage to paint everything like you did. Fantastic work btw! So it feels a bit frustrating that I am "maybe" priced out of the launch box if it is indeed more than 200 euro. You have to order it at GW directly, just to be certain you will get a box. So no discount. The HH box for 300 euro was insane, but I think you got a playable army minus a couple of characters? Anyway that is a specialist game. For their main games I think the price should be a bit more normal... Edit: Just checked the Heresy box. It is 240 euro and looking at the picture you got a lot. Still hoping for a max 200 euro launch box. Edited May 14 by Tonhel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 AoS-40k have a market completely different to HH-ToW. We are comparing main games with specialist games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikout Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 5 minutes ago, Hollow said: I don't think directly comparing HH or ToW with AoS is fair. AoS launch box is a splash release. ToW, HH, LI, AT and Warcry are all fixtures of the range. AoS Launch is a recruitment tool (primarily for people already playing another of their systems or wargames) The starter sets are aimed more at brand new recruitment. GW wants people in the AoS door and the edition launch box is a great way to do so. It's also a one-and-done run, so producing more boxes makes each box cheaper. They might try and squeeze £160 or £170 but I would be surprised if they went to £200. The 4th edition box is a bit mysterious for a couple of reasons. Until now GW have been going bigger and bigger with their launch boxes. Soul wars had about 50 minis, dominion had 60 and Leviathan had 70. It also launched at $250 which is a pretty hefty price tag. I don’t think it was a recruitment product. The recruitment product is this. It literally says start here right on the box. The difference is how they’ve been taking about 4th. They’ve been saying it’s great for spearhead, it’s playable right out of the box, it has a board and scenery etc. Based on that I was expecting a smaller box with first edition number of minis plus scenery and a cheaper price tag. But now we’ve seen that the Stormcast side of the box is going to have even more minis than Dominion. There’s a bit of mixed messaging going on which makes me think it’s going to be more pricey than some people will be comfortable with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AquaRegis Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 The purpose of the box is to be split by two people, hence the larger price tag, as it's the cost can be split in two. A lot of people split the box or sell off one side, like the Vs boxes GW used to do then disappeared recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollow Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 4 minutes ago, Chikout said: I don’t think it was a recruitment product. It is. But for different groups of people as I mentioned. The Starter Sets (one of which is in the pic) are direct recruitment products marketed towards brand new players. The Launch Boxes are aimed at existing AoS players AND serves as a recruitment tool for people already playing other GW games or wargames in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahrial Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 25 minutes ago, Tonhel said: The thing is that I bought for each AoS edition the launch box. Sadly, I didn't manage to paint everything like you did. Fantastic work btw! So it feels a bit frustrating that I am "maybe" priced out of the launch box if it is indeed more than 200 euro. You have to order it at GW directly, just to be certain you will get a box. So no discount. The HH box for 300 euro was insane, but I think you got a playable army minus a couple of characters? Anyway that is a specialist game. For their main games I think the price should be a bit more normal... Edit: Just checked the Heresy box. It is 240 euro and looking at the picture you got a lot. Still hoping for a max 200 euro launch box. As someone who also plays HH, the AoD box is single handedly one of the best value boxes GW has ever put out. Unlike AoS or 40K to a smaller degree, HH uses multiple different units that run the same models with a little tweaking, so that box makes much more than the basic load out it advertises with. I know people who have bought two just for the bodies it gives them, and sells off whatever they don’t need. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 30 minutes ago, Tonhel said: The thing is that I bought for each AoS edition the launch box. Sadly, I didn't manage to paint everything like you did. Fantastic work btw! So it feels a bit frustrating that I am "maybe" priced out of the launch box if it is indeed more than 200 euro. You have to order it at GW directly, just to be certain you will get a box. So no discount. The HH box for 300 euro was insane, but I think you got a playable army minus a couple of characters? Anyway that is a specialist game. For their main games I think the price should be a bit more normal... Edit: Just checked the Heresy box. It is 240 euro and looking at the picture you got a lot. Still hoping for a max 200 euro launch box. With launch boxes 3rd party stores tend to receive a decent chunk of them. Just preorder it with time and you should be able to get it. At least that's my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasshpit Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 hour ago, Chikout said: There's definitely more excitement for the new Skaven than the Kruleboyz. Psssh...whatever. 😛😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 5 minutes ago, Vasshpit said: Psssh...whatever. 😛😁 It is something objective. Skavens is an old faction pretty well established. You have to do something really stunning to be objectively more appealing and Krules launched with some debate on their aesthetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnusaur Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Is it possible that the terrain assumed to be in the big box is actually just cardboard? They've done a little bit of that in the past. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasshpit Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 @Ejecutor I get it, just being playful. 😉 I personally don't care for Skaven but imo Kruleboyz are the coolest thing to come from AoS. It is all subjective and I am happy for the rat fans for sure. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotBeastmanBob Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 9 minutes ago, Magnusaur said: Is it possible that the terrain assumed to be in the big box is actually just cardboard? They've done a little bit of that in the past. Oh by the Blessings of the Dark Mother I hope not 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 10 minutes ago, Magnusaur said: Is it possible that the terrain assumed to be in the big box is actually just cardboard? They've done a little bit of that in the past. I don't think it will be cardboard. It tends to go in the "cheaper" versions of the start here boxes. Also, there are three days of silhouettes presumably, so could be that we see one day a Stormcast, another a Skaven and a piece of terrain for the third day? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Just now, Ejecutor said: I don't think it will be cardboard. It tends to go in the "cheaper" versions of the start here boxes. Also, there are three days of silhouettes presumably, so could be that we see one day a Stormcast, another a Skaven and a piece of terrain for the third day? Or maybe is the only one and tomorrow will be a 40k silhouette 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 41 minutes ago, Chikout said: The 4th edition box is a bit mysterious for a couple of reasons. Until now GW have been going bigger and bigger with their launch boxes. Soul wars had about 50 minis, dominion had 60 and Leviathan had 70. It also launched at $250 which is a pretty hefty price tag. I don’t think it was a recruitment product. The recruitment product is this. It literally says start here right on the box. The difference is how they’ve been taking about 4th. They’ve been saying it’s great for spearhead, it’s playable right out of the box, it has a board and scenery etc. Based on that I was expecting a smaller box with first edition number of minis plus scenery and a cheaper price tag. But now we’ve seen that the Stormcast side of the box is going to have even more minis than Dominion. There’s a bit of mixed messaging going on which makes me think it’s going to be more pricey than some people will be comfortable with. I mean you got to remember that they padded the number of each boxset with a 20 man horde unit so it misleading to say each boxset grows bigger since the unit count is relatively the same for each boxset. (Tyranids and Kruleboyz also had these small companion creatures attach to some units) if suddenly the bad guy faction they put in the boxset was more elite and less focus on having a throw away small chaff units then the number of models is probably lower. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 hour ago, Ejecutor said: Well, if TOW boxes sell out, and they are over the 200 mark... the sky is the limit. It possible they don’t make that many boxes for side games so selling out is easier (like their low production resin model with the lady horse hero) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Arthur Hotep Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 15 minutes ago, Magnusaur said: Is it possible that the terrain assumed to be in the big box is actually just cardboard? They've done a little bit of that in the past. I believe with GW mentioning terrain in the box on Warcom and one of our leakers talking about terrain, we should expect more than a printed box. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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