Bosskelot Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 You should be more worried as to what sorts of lessons GW has taken from Dominion. They catastrophically overproduced it last time, so will the suits now be pushing for a much smaller production run on what might end up being a much more popular box? Who knows, but I have faith in GW to make bad judgement calls on this sort of stuff because they've been doing it consistently for the past 10+ years. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lost Sigmarite Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 2 minutes ago, Bosskelot said: You should be more worried as to what sorts of lessons GW has taken from Dominion. They catastrophically overproduced it last time, so will the suits now be pushing for a much smaller production run on what might end up being a much more popular box? Who knows, but I have faith in GW to make bad judgement calls on this sort of stuff because they've been doing it consistently for the past 10+ years. I think GW has learned from Dominion and I think the AoS4 launch box would be produced in bigger quantities than Soul Wars, but less than Dominion. But then again, there's Skaven, I think they might appeal to more people than Kruleboyz did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitzdee Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 46 minutes ago, The Lost Sigmarite said: I don’t like this. TOW was supposed to be the specialist game to the mainstream fantasy game that is AoS, which means being more niche… Now it’s overtaken 40k as the most played game at Lenton. I do hope this is a fashion effect because if TOW continues to top AoS in the long term that means less ressources allocated for our AoS minis. Edit : I'm not being spiteful towards people who have fun playing TOW, just questionning what it means for AoS. I think 4th edition AoS will decide this battle. If its good, people will stick with AoS. If its terrible, people might move to the other game that uses the same minis, ToW or OPR. Thats said, i expect Skaven to out sell Kruleboyz a lot. They seem popular and in need of a refresh since AoS happened. I do hope to score half a starterbox for a good price. Might actually go for SCE. I really like them much more recently. GW really is trying to make them look different from marines. Edited March 24 by Gitzdee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 10 minutes ago, Bosskelot said: You should be more worried as to what sorts of lessons GW has taken from Dominion. They catastrophically overproduced it last time, so will the suits now be pushing for a much smaller production run on what might end up being a much more popular box? Who knows, but I have faith in GW to make bad judgement calls on this sort of stuff because they've been doing it consistently for the past 10+ years. If in the end they go with scenery (which would be a bit of a trial box) I am also a bit worried about them not producing too many boxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luperci Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 32 minutes ago, Beliman said: I don't think you need to worry for that. We are near 4oS and that's what matter. Just enjoy the ride. I've seen a few old world players saying that aos is already dead because of the 4th edition changes GW has mentioned lol, it's pretty amusing to see 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliman Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 19 hours ago, Luperci said: I've seen a few old world players saying that aos is already dead because of the 4th edition changes GW has mentioned lol, it's pretty amusing to see This remind me about early AoS: "This game will die in less than 2 years..." 9 years later: "Yep, 1 month and it's dead..." Edited March 25 by Beliman 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 4 minutes ago, Luperci said: I've seen a few old world players saying that aos is already dead because of the 4th edition changes GW has mentioned lol, it's pretty amusing to see This is like the talks about TOW dying on its launch. Pure speculation. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Togetak Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, The Lost Sigmarite said: I don’t like this. TOW was supposed to be the specialist game to the mainstream fantasy game that is AoS, which means being more niche… Now it’s overtaken 40k as the most played game at Lenton. I do hope this is a fashion effect because if TOW continues to top AoS in the long term that means less ressources allocated for our AoS minis. Edit : I'm not being spiteful towards people who have fun playing TOW, just questionning what it means for AoS. I think it's doing well for a sidegame, but i don't think it's anywhere near as successful as a mainline game. It sells out quick because it's being made in very limited batches, not because there's a huge stock being exhausted by huge demand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 +++MOD HAT ON+++ I cant believe im saying this again. AGAIN. Seriously this is getting ridiculous, this cant keep happening. STOP TRYING TO APPLY REAL WORLD GENDERS AND THEIR POLITICS TO FANTASY TOY SOLDIERS. STOP IT. RIGHT NOW. 17 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon-knight77 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 not going touch whatever going on with these recently debates with 39-and-a-half foot pole! So what the seem likely the faction that will come out post-starter wave? With how GW treated 3E and 40k 10th It 2-4 factions that will only receive a hero model maybe two before dropping an another wave of models for a faction If i had to guess it be Soulblight Gloomspite gitz Seraphon Slaves to darkness in whatever order they want 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcm6495 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 By the way, it is known if, in addition to the new Crawlord model mounted on a rat wolf, we will also receive a model for the version on foot. I also wonder if we will get Skaven cavalry that can accompany the Crawlord on a rat wolf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcm6495 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 2 minutes ago, Dragon-knight77 said: ¡No voy a tocar lo que sea que esté pasando con estos debates recientes con un poste de 39 pies y medio! Entonces, ¿cuál parece ser la facción que surgirá después de la ola inicial? Con la forma en que GW trató a 3E y 40k 10th, hay 2-4 facciones que solo recibirán un modelo de héroe, tal vez dos antes de lanzar otra ola de modelos para una facción. Si tuviera que adivinar que sería plaga del alma Gitz de rencor pesimista Serafón Esclavos de la oscuridad en el orden que quieran For my part, I hope that it won't take long for them to release the Slaves of Darkness battletome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScionOfOssia Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 I hope one of the armies in dire need of a Wave 2 (Idoneth, Kharadron and Fyreslayers all have tiny ranges and were 1st Edition armies so they should be prioritized over Bonereapers) get theirs soon, then the Bonereapers (Although another Warcry warband and some Underworlds stuff would help tide me over). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Klatz Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 7 minutes ago, Mcm6495 said: By the way, it is known if, in addition to the new Crawlord model mounted on a rat wolf, we will also receive a model for the version on foot. I also wonder if we will get Skaven cavalry that can accompany the Crawlord on a rat wolf. Hopefully so, next Kruleboyz update should drop Gnashtoof cavalry too so it doesn’t feel like they got left out of lord mounts turned cavalry. 😄(unless they plan Vulcha flying cav in which case that’ll be forgiven) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Can I just say that I am dying of envy? Golden Demon 2024 Winners Revealed at AdeptiCon - Warhammer Community (warhammer-community.com) 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitzdee Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 7 minutes ago, Dragon-knight77 said: not going touch whatever going on with these recently debates with 39-and-a-half foot pole! So what the seem likely the faction that will come out post-starter wave? With how GW treated 3E and 40k 10th It 2-4 factions that will only receive a hero model maybe two before dropping an another wave of models for a faction If i had to guess it be Soulblight Gloomspite gitz Seraphon Slaves to darkness in whatever order they want I would say: Sons of Behemat Sylvaneth Slaves to Darkness Nighthaunt These imho have the most complete model range at the moment and would be best for an early tome after the index. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Togetak Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 3 minutes ago, ScionOfOssia said: I hope one of the armies in dire need of a Wave 2 (Idoneth, Kharadron and Fyreslayers all have tiny ranges and were 1st Edition armies so they should be prioritized over Bonereapers) get theirs soon, then the Bonereapers (Although another Warcry warband and some Underworlds stuff would help tide me over). I think this is likely to happen over the course of 4th edition, inbetween updating of the ranges that still have old resin stuff. Sylvaneth got their sort of wave 2 recently (and hopefully have a little more coming soon, kurnothi my beloved...) while the current Warcry push seems to be eventually giving every faction something, which should tide some of them over for a while if they're as good as the Vulkyn Flameseekers were for Fyreslayers (which i hope is signposting the new visual direction for what they might). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacaf Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, The Lost Sigmarite said: I don’t like this. TOW was supposed to be the specialist game to the mainstream fantasy game that is AoS, which means being more niche… Now it’s overtaken 40k as the most played game at Lenton. I do hope this is a fashion effect because if TOW continues to top AoS in the long term that means less ressources allocated for our AoS minis. Edit : I'm not being spiteful towards people who have fun playing TOW, just questionning what it means for AoS. Don't worry, the success of TOW has to be measured in years, not in play groups or specific areas and without sales figures. We'll see if the Hype lasts more than a year. Apart from the fact that GW doesn't care how many people play, what matters to them is how many people buy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikout Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, The Lost Sigmarite said: I don’t like this. TOW was supposed to be the specialist game to the mainstream fantasy game that is AoS, which means being more niche… Now it’s overtaken 40k as the most played game at Lenton. I do hope this is a fashion effect because if TOW continues to top AoS in the long term that means less ressources allocated for our AoS minis. Edit : I'm not being spiteful towards people who have fun playing TOW, just questionning what it means for AoS. Think about the niche that the old world appeals to. Long term gw employees fit that niche perfectly. Also the game is just a couple of months old, with the longest pre launch build up of any GW game ever. We should expect the old world to be a popular product. The question for GW is whether it has legs. Will it still be popular a year from now or will they run into the same problem they had last time? Will players stop buying new minis again once they've built an army? In any case the old world is being made by the specialist studio not the main studio. Different rules writers, artists, painters, and sculptors. In the next couple of years it may affect the other specialist games products. We won't be seeing Mordheim or BFG for a while and support for middle earth has already dropped off a cliff. The worst development is that the special studio becomes a two game studio and only makes products for the old world and Horus heresy and gives up the other games, but even that isn't likely. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommissarRotke Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 2 hours ago, Ejecutor said: Never. If they do that the game would change forever in a bad way. You cannot get your playerbase to get used to something that they enjoy and it is one of the key characteristics of the game and then remove it completely without consequences. the way they've set up the Realms, they could probably infinitely rotate between them. i know people aren't thrilled we're going back to Aqshy, but the fact that skaven are ripping their sub-realm into part of Aqshy means there could always be this push-pull within them. Nagash could help force Skavenblight back into the subrealm, maybe Tzeentch steals the GHR idea and rips part of its own Realm into Chamon or something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, The Lost Sigmarite said: I don’t like this. TOW was supposed to be the specialist game to the mainstream fantasy game that is AoS, which means being more niche… Now it’s overtaken 40k as the most played game at Lenton. I do hope this is a fashion effect because if TOW continues to top AoS in the long term that means less ressources allocated for our AoS minis. Edit : I'm not being spiteful towards people who have fun playing TOW, just questionning what it means for AoS. We don't know if it is actually true that it is "currently" the most played game by GW employees. It's what Rob said in one of his square based video's. It probably has some truth in it as he worked there and organizes a lot of AoS/TOW tournaments. GW follows the money. If TOW attracts more and more players than it's because that there is still a market for this kind of mass ranked fantasy wargame. Apparently a 2000 point TOW battle goes quite fast. (I am still trying to get an army ready, so still haven't played a game) Rob mentioned in his video that he simultaneously was TOing a TOW and AoS tournament. If I understood correctly TOW played faster. I do believe that AoS 4th edition rules has to be good. It has to be a good mix of flavour, tactics and streamlining. The balance between those three has to be good. Personally I don't want that TOW becomes again a main game. Now as a specialist game it has much more freedom. Lol, all the books available digitally, units in the armylists that don't have mini's (yet), like it was before the chapterhouse debacle. And more importantly the core rules will not be redone each 3 years. If TOW keeps rocking, I would be very glad with 1-2 plastic sets per 3 months, lots of Arcane Journals and hopefully lots of campaign books, but please no major core rule changes. It doesn't have to be more than that. Maybe TOW will take some resources away of Underworlds/Warcry, but not from AoS. 40K or 30K didn't take any resources away from AoS. So TOW will not do it either. I think for a hobbyist that likes AoS and TOW it are fantastic times. I just need some more free time to enjoy it more. 😉 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon-knight77 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 19 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: Can I just say that I am dying of envy? Golden Demon 2024 Winners Revealed at AdeptiCon - Warhammer Community (warhammer-community.com) This year has some good eye candy to look at like the Seraphon one The Caviler Marshall who got used twice really showing it popularity even Bonespitterz warband (Here hoping GW keep them around and expand on these Primal cavemen orks) 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverchosen Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 These are without a doubt the best Golden Demon Entries I have seen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captaniser Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Definitely one of the greatest Slayer-Sword winning pieces I've ever seen, at least in my top 5. Amazing idea and fantastic execution. 13 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth 🍄 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Dragon-knight77 said: This year has some good eye candy to look at like the Seraphon one The Caviler Marshall who got used twice really showing it popularity even Bonespitterz warband (Here hoping GW keep them around and expand on these Primal cavemen orks) Fantastic stuff! Edited March 24 by Gareth 🍄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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