Malakree Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Quote Allegiance: Gloomspite GitzLeadersDankhold Troggboss (270)Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)Skragrott, The Loonking (220)Battleline20 x Shootas (120)20 x Shootas (120)20 x Stabbas (130)- Pokin Spears & Moon ShieldsUnits6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)3 x Fellwater Troggoths (150)3 x Fellwater Troggoths (150)Endless Spells / TerrainScuttletide (30)Total: 1650 (was 1760)Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 134 So that's my old list (Had 2 spear chukkas but they got squatted) so I've gained 110 points from the decreases which on it's own is super sweet, combined with the spear chukka drops I'm now at 350 spare points, 280 is another 6 rockguts. Before/After of both lists. Spoiler Allegiance: Gloomspite GitzLeaders - 670Dankhold Troggboss (270)Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)Skragrott, The Loonking (220)Battleline - 37020 x Shootas (120)20 x Shootas (120)20 x Stabbas (130)- Pokin Spears & Moon ShieldsUnits - 8406 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)Endless Spells / Terrain - 30Scuttletide (30)Total: 1910 / 2000Wounds: 158 Spoiler Allegiance: DestructionLeadersDankhold Troggboss (300)Skragrott, The Loonking (220)Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)Battleline20 x Shootas (130)20 x Shootas (130)20 x Shootas (130)Units6 x Rockgut Troggoths (320)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (320)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (320)Endless Spells / TerrainScuttletide (30)Total: 2080 / 2000Wounds: 158 So the list has just gained 170 points "because". Now the question is what to do with the spare. There's now also a very real question of Skragrott vs no Skragrott, at 220 points he's only 6 points less expensive that 6 rockguts. Here I could drop him and go up to this list. Spoiler Allegiance: DestructionLeadersDankhold Troggboss (300)Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)Battleline20 x Stabbas (130)- Pokin Spears & Moon Shields20 x Stabbas (130)- Pokin Spears & Moon Shields20 x Stabbas (130)- Pokin Spears & Moon ShieldsUnits6 x Rockgut Troggoths (320)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (320)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (320)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (320) Endless Spells / TerrainScuttletide (30)Total: 2150 / 2000Wounds: 176 That's a massive amount of both damage and wounds to put on the board. Sure we lose spell casting potential but my god would it be horrific to deal with. At 96 wounds of Rockgut you are looking at a massive 144 effective wounds to get through, an insane number. Honestly the list I would go to right now is this. Quote Allegiance: DestructionLeadersDankhold Troggboss (300)Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)Battleline20 x Stabbas (130)20 x Stabbas (130)20 x Shootas (120)Units6 x Rockgut Troggoths (320)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (320)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (320)3 x Fellwater Troggoths (150)3 x Fellwater Troggoths (150) Endless Spells / TerrainScuttletide (30)Total: 2000 / 2000Wounds: 176 As it requires the least amount of extra models from where I'm already going. Time to paint up TWELVE extra Rockguts.... 🎉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutton Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Our battalions still need to come down by a decent amount. Other than that, I'm quite pleased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakree Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 22 minutes ago, Mutton said: Our battalions still need to come down by a decent amount. Other than that, I'm quite pleased. Yeah I just don't think they are willing to do the points cuts that would be needed to make them not awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter (Age of Miniatures) Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 The points reductions are in! I did not have high hopes, so this was a very welcome gift. The mushroom going up in points seems weird and I was sure the Scuttletide would go 10 points up (so yeah for that not happening). All in all some good reductions. The troggoths and the big spider options are very tempting now! So, how will your build(s) change? Shootas: -10 (now 120) Dankhold Troggboss: -30 (now 270) Loonboss on Mangler Squigs: -20 (now 280) Webspinner Shaman on Arachnarok Spider: -20 (now 280) Arachnarok Spider with Flinger: -20 (now 250) Arachnarok Spider with Spiderfang Warparty: -20 (now 230) Skitterstrand Arachnarok: -20 (now 240) Gobbapalooza gang: -40 (now 200) Dankhold Troggoths: -20 (now 200) Fellwater Troggoths: -10 (now 150) Rockgut Troggoths: -20 (now 140) Malevolent Moon: -10 (now 40) Morks Mighty Mushroom: +10 (now 90) Scrappskuttles Arachnacauldron: -10 (now 40) (updating my post with points changes from GHB and recent FAQ here if you are interested) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlasticCraic Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) My $0.02 on the points changes: 1 hour ago, Peter (Age of Miniatures) said: Shootas: -10 (now 120) Good change imo Dankhold Troggboss: -30 (now 270) Nowhere near enough Loonboss on Mangler Squigs: -20 (now 280) Happy with that, still not sure I'll use him but 280 is a good price Webspinner Shaman on Arachnarok Spider: -20 (now 280) Wow! Didn't expect that, but I'll take it Arachnarok Spider with Flinger: -20 (now 250) Still garbage, Warscroll is irredeemably bad. Take the Shammy instead Arachnarok Spider with Spiderfang Warparty: -20 (now 230) Useable as a fun option, but I'd still take the Shammy Skitterstrand Arachnarok: -20 (now 240) As above Gobbapalooza gang: -40 (now 200) Still wouldn't touch them Dankhold Troggoths: -20 (now 200) Still wouldn't touch them Fellwater Troggoths: -10 (now 150) Nice! 2x 3 Fellwaters is a pretty sweet inclusion in any build Rockgut Troggoths: -20 (now 140) Better than I thought, they are a good efficient unit at this points level Malevolent Moon: -10 (now 40) Fair enough Morks Mighty Mushroom: +10 (now 90) Haven't seen this used competitively in months, see you again this time next year Scrappskuttles Arachnacauldron: -10 (now 40) Very pleased with this! Didn't expect it The points differential between all flavours of Arachnarok has stayed the same as it was, so I doubt you'll see anything other than the Shammy. I'm pleasantly surprised he came down, but I think the others could have used a bold move. And the three that I thought would change but did not: Fungoid - thought he'd go up, good for us (and indeed the whole of Destro) that he didn't Spider Riders - I think they're pretty exposed at their current points level, could have used a drop to 90 Batallions in general - could have used some relief there, especially the Troggoth one. Are we being punished for the existence of Gordrakk? Overall it has to be good news for the army. Not the exact changes I would personally have expected, but decent overall I think. Edited July 8, 2019 by PlasticCraic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Didnt they say squigs based lists where underperforming as well or was that just the faction in general? Im surprised they didnt change any squig points other the ManglerBoss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newtype_Zero Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 I believe the quote was that the faction in general was under-performing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakree Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Newtype_Zero said: I believe the quote was that the faction in general was under-performing. Yes, there are very specific builds which can work but it was limited to basically heavy Grots. The changes really open up the field, Troggs just field more of them and the spiderfang can have more big gribblies. On the ManglerBoss, he is instrumental to squig builds which makes them more usable. I think the interesting thing is that he's only 40 points more expensive than the normal Mangler now which gives the option to have 2. A second one would let you use another artefact and split your forces more effectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakree Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) I'm torn between these... Quote Allegiance: Gloomspite GitzLeadersDankhold Troggboss (270)- GeneralSkragrott, The Loonking (220)Battleline20 x Shootas (120)20 x Stabbas (130)- Pokin Spears & Moon Shields20 x Stabbas (130)- Pokin Spears & Moon Shields6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)Endless Spells/Terrain/CP/Triumph 10 pointsTotal: 1990 / 2000Drops: 9Wounds: 174 Quote Allegiance: Gloomspite GitzLeadersDankhold Troggboss (270)- GeneralFungoid Cave-Shaman (90)Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)Battleline20 x Shootas (120)20 x Stabbas (130)- Pokin Spears & Moon Shields20 x Stabbas (130)- Pokin Spears & Moon Shields6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)Endless Spells/Terrain/CP/Triumph 50 points worthTotal: 1950 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Drops: 10Wounds: 176 Quote Allegiance: Gloomspite GitzLeadersDankhold Troggboss (270)- GeneralSkragrott, The Loonking (220)Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)Battleline20 x Shootas (120)20 x Stabbas (130)- Pokin Spears & Moon Shields20 x Stabbas (130)- Pokin Spears & Moon Shields6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)3 x Fellwater Troggoths (150)3 x Fellwater Troggoths (150) Endless Spells/Terrain/CP/Triumph 90 points worthTotal: 1910 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Drops: 11Wounds: 158 I think for now I need to move towards the last one since I was building towards it anyway, it gives me a lot of endless spell options and I just get an extra 6 Rockguts. In the long term though....I don't want to lose my spell casting component but my god it would be nice to slam 96 wounds of Rockgut onto the board, possibly one of the only units in the game which could trade evenly with 40 plague monks. Edited July 9, 2019 by Malakree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlasticCraic Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Just with that last one @Malakree, would you consider switching out Skragrott for an Arachnarok Shaman? Keeps the power caster in there, but he can handle himself a bit too. And you have access to a second spell lore. I think that leaves you 30 points for Endless Spells, you could easily find 10 more for an Arachnacauldron or Scuttletide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svnvaldez Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Loonbosses! My dream list fits in 2k now. Probably not “optimal” but I’m super excited to build and paint it. It’s funny how I need to be able to know the points and rules to motivate my hobby. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) while I haven't had time to get a copy of the Gloomspite novel I just read an excerpt of Bossgrot on the black library website and I found it a pretty good read so far. it pretty humorous and comical and it from the POV of a loonboss grot unlike Gloomspite which is done from a human perspective. if your a big Grot fan I suggest go checking it out for yourself. https://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar/featured/bossgrot-2019.html Edited July 10, 2019 by novakai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitzFan Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Has anyone else noticed that in the base sizes listings the cauldron is supposed to be on a 60mm circular base? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, GlitzFan said: Has anyone else noticed that in the base sizes listings the cauldron is supposed to be on a 60mm circular base? Maybe an error? they may have it gotten mixed up with the base for the Mushroom which is on a 60mm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoledas Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 it's 60x35mm oval base i guess? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Tossing around some Squig/Troggoth ideas. HoG the Hag up into whatever then she casts the Bowl to increase her threat range before casting her spell, then shooting, then charging. The Madcap, while inferior to the Fungoid, has an amazing scroll spell and would act as a mini retainer for the Boss as he moves up the field. Madcap casts his spell on the Boss to make him that much harder to kill. The Bounderz act as a flanking unit independent of everything else. Dankhold Troggboss (270)- General- Trait: Loonskin - Artefact: Glowy Howzit Troggoth Hag (380)Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)- Lore of the Moonclans: The Hand of GorkMadcap Shaman (80)- Lore of the Moonclans: Itchy Nuisance6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)15 x Boingrot Bounderz (300)12 x Squig Herd (140)12 x Squig Herd (140)Scrapskuttle's Arachnacauldron (40)Total: 2000 / 2000Wounds: 162 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blubearbare Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Malakithe said: Tossing around some Squig/Troggoth ideas. HoG the Hag up into whatever then she casts the Bowl to increase her threat range before casting her spell, then shooting, then charging. The Madcap, while inferior to the Fungoid, has an amazing scroll spell and would act as a mini retainer for the Boss as he moves up the field. Madcap casts his spell on the Boss to make him that much harder to kill. The Bounderz act as a flanking unit independent of everything else. Dankhold Troggboss (270)- General- Trait: Loonskin - Artefact: Glowy Howzit Troggoth Hag (380)Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)- Lore of the Moonclans: The Hand of GorkMadcap Shaman (80)- Lore of the Moonclans: Itchy Nuisance6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)15 x Boingrot Bounderz (300)12 x Squig Herd (140)12 x Squig Herd (140)Scrapskuttle's Arachnacauldron (40)Total: 2000 / 2000Wounds: 162 whats your third battleine as of right now having a troggboss as ur general its not viable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 10 hours ago, blubearbare said: whats your third battleine as of right now having a troggboss as ur general its not viable Oops lol I had some Fellwaters in there but removed then and forgot about battleline...back to the drawing board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Okay revised my list a bit Loonboss on Mangler Squigs (280)- General- Trait: Fight Another Day - Artefact: Gryph-feather Charm Dankhold Troggboss (270)Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)- Lore of the Moonclans: The Hand of GorkMadcap Shaman (80)- Lore of the Moonclans: Itchy Nuisance12 x Squig Herd (140)12 x Squig Herd (140)12 x Squig Herd (140)15 x Boingrot Bounderz (300)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)Total: 2000 / 2000Wounds: 182 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitzFan Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Aiming for the tournament win with this: Allegiance: Gloomspite GitzMortal Realm: GhurLeadersScuttleboss on Gigantic Spider (100)- General- Trait: Monstrous Mount - Artefact: Totem of the Spider God Webspinner Shaman on Arachnarok Spider(280)- Artefact: Gryph-feather Charm - Lore of the Spiderfangs: Sneaky DistractionLoonboss (70)Battleline10 x Spider Riders (200)10 x Spider Riders (200)10 x Spider Riders (200)10 x Spider Riders (200)10 x Spider Riders (200)40 x Stabbas (260)- Pokin Spears & Moon Shields20 x Stabbas (130)- Pokin Spears & Moon ShieldsBattalionsSpider Rider Skittermob (120)Endless Spells / TerrainScrapskuttle's Arachnacauldron (40)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 185 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 List 3.0. Good mix I think. I have 2 speedy heavy hitters while the slower guys are moving up. Kinda strange that the 'slow lumbering' Troggoths move faster then the speedy balls of terror. Heavy hitters with lots of wounds to chew through plus magic support. I wanted to fit in a cheap battalion for an extra item and CP but having a hard time. Dankhold Troggboss (270)- General- Trait: Loonskin - Artefact: Glowy Howzit Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)- Lore of the Moonclans: The Hand of GorkMadcap Shaman (80)- Lore of the Moonclans: Itchy Nuisance6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)3 x Fellwater Troggoths (150)15 x Boingrot Bounderz (300)12 x Squig Herd (140)12 x Squig Herd (140)Mangler Squigs (240)Scuttletide (30)Total: 2000 / 2000Wounds: 170 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yowsaman14 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 i would like you guy's advice on my list i'm building as i dont know how to optimise it. leaders: - skagrott 220 points -> would you guy's take him as a general for his moon ability and wand or just leave it? - loonboss on mangler squig 280p -> if not skagrott he would be my general with (fight another day and clammy cowl) - webspinner shamen on arachnorak spider 280p -> gift of the spider god spell battleline (with loonboss as a general): - 20 stabba's 130p - 5 squig hoppers 90p - 5 squig hoppers 90p other: - 10 boingrotz bounders 200p - 3 rockgut troggoths 140p - dankhold troggoth 200p behemoth : - mangler squig 240 p endless spell: - scrapskuttle's arachnacauldron 40p (is it true that the webspinner can cast it and geth's acces to the lore of the moonclan, or am i overseeing something?) total 1910 points this leaves me 90 points to spend on some troops or endless spell (a spellportal maybe for the nikkit nikkit spell of skagrott) tnx for the feedback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blubearbare Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 This is a list that I run usually and it works pretty well if I need more bodies I swap out the hag for 2x3 more fellwaters and a webspinner shaman Allegiance: Gloomspite GitzMortal Realm: GhurLeadersDankhold Troggboss (270)- General- Trait: Loonskin Troggoth Hag (380)- Artefact: Gryph-feather Charm Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)- Lore of the Moonclans: Itchy NuisanceBattleline6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)3 x Fellwater Troggoths (150)3 x Fellwater Troggoths (150)Units18 x Squig Herd (210)12 x Squig Herd (140)Endless Spells / TerrainScrapskuttle's Arachnacauldron (40)Total: 1990 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 164 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose madness Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Hey guys! Anyone had any success with meeting engagement? I have a small tournament coming up and would love a list that is working. I havent had any success with the ones Ive tried. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 On 7/13/2019 at 9:48 AM, yowsaman14 said: - dankhold troggoth 200p Drop this guy. I dont think he is worth 200pts as a solo model Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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