CommissarRotke Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Ah I mixed up ability vs trait... so COS can be affected by heroes' spells, prayers, etc but not an actual CP Trait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, CommissarRotke said: Ah I mixed up ability vs trait... so COS can be affected by heroes' spells, prayers, etc but not an actual CP Trait They can be affected by "command abilities" so no spells or prayers. In fact I think the rule is pretty clear, though underwhelming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommissarRotke Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Marcvs said: They can be affected by "command abilities" so no spells or prayers. In fact I think the rule is pretty clear, though underwhelming. Wow alright, I guess my brain didn't think it could possibly be THAT underwhelming... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, Marcvs said: They can be affected by "command abilities" so no spells or prayers. In fact I think the rule is pretty clear, though underwhelming. Incorrect. MA units are part of your army, they are not allies, so they benefit from your allegiance unless a rule specifically restricts them from an ability. MA units are able to pick spells and prayers since neither of those require the STORMCAST ETERNAL keyword to be acquired. MA units can learn and use any of the prayers and spells in the Stormcast battletome. For example, if you include a Battlemage he would learn any spell from the Lore of the Storm or Lore of Invigoration because the Spell Lores page says "each WIZARD in a Stormcast Eternals army" and a MA Battlemage satisfies that condition because he is a WIZARD in a Stormcast Eternals army. MA units can be selected to benefit from spells and prayers unless there is a keyword restriction. For example, you can use Divine Light on a MA unit because it does not specify any keyword restrictions, but you cannot use Translocation because they specify a STORMCAST ETERNAL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommissarRotke Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 half-incorrect then, as I thought MA would be affected by any SCE prayers and spells even needing the keyword. I'm sure the Morathi book will specify these details but man does it feel messy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, PJetski said: Incorrect. MA units are part of your army, they are not allies, so they benefit from your allegiance unless a rule specifically restricts them from an ability. MA units are able to pick spells and prayers since neither of those require the STORMCAST ETERNAL keyword to be acquired. MA units can learn and use any of the prayers and spells in the Stormcast battletome. For example, if you include a Battlemage he would learn any spell from the Lore of the Storm or Lore of Invigoration because the Spell Lores page says "each WIZARD in a Stormcast Eternals army" and a MA Battlemage satisfies that condition because he is a WIZARD in a Stormcast Eternals army. MA units can be selected to benefit from spells and prayers unless there is a keyword restriction. For example, you can use Divine Light on a MA unit because it does not specify any keyword restrictions, but you cannot use Translocation because they specify a STORMCAST ETERNAL. Agree on the picking spells (and potentially artifacts, prayers or command traits) but I was speaking of "being affected by" stuff. Sure, there is one prayer and of course some warscroll abilities which can affect these units, as they would any ally unit or any unit in a GA:Order -so nothing is gained in terms of "being affected by" thanks to this allegiance ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 I think there is probably a lot of unintended stuff here because GW often doesnt think this kind of mixing through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 On 11/3/2020 at 1:49 PM, PJetski said: I think Stormcast are going to be broken into Stormkeep which focus on defense and shooting, and Stormriders (or some other name) that focus on deep strike and attacking. It would allow them to finally solve the problem of deep strike + shooting combination without having to gimp both of those strengths. This would be a perfect parallel to their design on Seraphon in their recent battletome, letting one faction focus on mobility and summoning while the other gains raw power and defense. It also makes sense from a narrative perspective - Stormcast aren't just guerilla warfare shock troopers any more. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrometheus Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, PJetski said: Source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) Im updating my anvilstrike list with a frost phoenix, replacing evocators with retributors, and replacing longstrikes with judicators Edited November 5, 2020 by PJetski 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 2 hours ago, LordPrometheus said: Source? Josh calm down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrometheus Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Just now, jhamslam said: Josh calm down lol I am calm. Asking for a source isn't a crazy thing, man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrometheus Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 27 minutes ago, PJetski said: Im updating my anvilstrike list with a frost phoenix, replacing evocators with retributors, and replacing longstrikes with judicators I'm curious to see what it looks like now. Mind sharing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Have to wait for Broken Realms: Morathi to be released before I know for sure how I want to modify the list 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 18 hours ago, PJetski said: replacing evocators with retributors, Big if true. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armisael Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Will stormcast also get warscroll update? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OkayestDM Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, armisael said: Will stormcast also get warscroll update? Not in this book, all we're currently expecting are some warscroll battalions and 3 sets of Allegiance abilities (which could actually be a really big deal, depending on what they do with them.) There's nothing to say that they won't touch on a few other aspects of the SCE in other Broken Realms books, but that's not a guarantee either. If we get anything else it'll most likely just be more Stormhost specific warscroll battalions. Best bet is any warscroll overhauls for our troops will have to wait until 3.0. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armisael Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, OkayestDM said: Not in this book, all we're currently expecting are some warscroll battalions and 3 sets of Allegiance abilities (which could actually be a really big deal, depending on what they do with them.) There's nothing to say that they won't touch on a few other aspects of the SCE in other Broken Realms books, but that's not a guarantee either. If we get anything else it'll most likely just be more Stormhost specific warscroll battalions. Best bet is any warscroll overhauls for our troops will have to wait until 3.0. Just hope that my Warrior Chamber will be good again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OkayestDM Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, armisael said: Just hope that my Warrior Chamber will be good again. You and me both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 3 hours ago, OkayestDM said: You and me both. We get a boost with the Stormkeep stuff, but prolly not super comp until our next tome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Broken realms page is up in NZ Maybe a little buff for liberators? (oor. a sad laugh) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Marcvs said: Broken realms page is up in NZ Maybe a little buff for liberators? (oor. a sad laugh) yeah if libs dont move theyll prolly get +1 save and +1 to hit or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 It's pretty easy to get 1+ saves rerolling 1s on liberators now. Doesn't do much to stop mortal wounds but if people are wasting 10 mortal wounds to kill 5 Liberators then you're probably going to win the game 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 On 11/5/2020 at 5:21 PM, LordPrometheus said: lol I am calm. Asking for a source isn't a crazy thing, man. The epic story of Morathi’s rise to godhood – and her betrayal of Sigmar! – illustrated with stunning new art.- New rules for Morathi herself, representing her new-found power, as well as a new Daughters of Khaine subfaction that offer Morathi’s personal guard of Scáthborn powerful bonuses.- Two new sets of allegiance abilities for the Cities of Sigmar, representing the newly-annexed Anvilgard – now known as Har Kuron – and the shadowy domain of Misthåvn, each with their own abilities, artefacts, command traits, and more.- Rules for Stormkeep armies – defensive forces of Stormcast Eternals where unbreakable shieldwalls of Liberators fight side-by-side with human auxiliaries.- Significant updates to the Idoneth Deepkin, aimed at making your sea-beasts even more dangerous with Mount Traits and more.- A suite of warscroll battalions to enhance your Cities of Sigmar, Stormcast Eternals, Daughters of Khaine, Slaves to Darkness, and Idoneth Deepkin armies.Strictly limited to 600 copies, this limited edition features a soft touch cover, ribbon marker and gilt-edged pages – the perfect way to commemorate an epic new chapter in the story of Warhammer Age of Sigmar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosa Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Now this sounds a lot less than before. So it seems we just get 2-3 new abilities and not sets of abilities. Probably+1 save for liberators for 10 models or something or if they didn't move. Let's wait and see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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