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  1. I'm starting to wonder if the three year wait time isn't just as much to do with miniatures design, but more so with the current supported game cycles. As someone mentioned previously, LotR could be up for licensing soon, they have promised support for warcry, kill & necromunda for *various* amount of years (I'd say three years left on all of them seems pretty fair seeing how they run their games for the last 30 years) The HH is going to be in it's death throes by then (at a rate of about three books a year and there is bound to be a wait on the last couple) and AoS is going to be either due an update or just had one. I do wonder if they will pick up a chunk of WFB history which has either never been covered, or has room to expand beyond what ever novels where already set in that era. I'm trying not to read too much into the HH comparison, as it probably is only meant to have been in reference to both of them being set 'historically' to their current games, but a 50+ book series set in the WFB, I really can't tell if I'd love it or go mad trying to get through it. After all, I've been stuck on the same book of the HH for a year now and this is the 2nd time I gotten stuck trying to get through the books. I don't ever see me reaching the end of it at this point. But damn, would I buy every hardback if they did that. I'm a sucker for books! I've seen a few games offering 2d terrain in this past year. I am also not a fan. At that point I'd just not bother playing and stick with video games or something. The whole appeal to me for fantasy wargaming is the narrative spectacle. 2d terrain works for an intro game but looks dreadful for anything else. I'm hoping what ever GW do with this new version, they do what ever they need to, to be able to sell it but keep it as far away from a lot of the common ideas that populate the current run of games. 2D terrain, cards, tokens, DLC style rules might be popular but I actively dislike them.
  2. Start Collecting: Giants. It's just the current giant kit, repackaged and at a different price point. The regular kit will still be sold. The battletome will mention all sorts of giant variants, but we won't ever see a kit for any of them. 🀣As silly as I'm being, I'd actually still be totally ok with this and would have to have a small (tall) force of them for laughs!
  3. If WFB is going to tear your community apart, then any new release is going too. It is sad to see someone that sees a renewed interested in the hobby and finds it to be a kick in the gut. The more people buying from GW means they will keep all the games running longer. It's better than some of the other ways companies (including GW) are trying to increase their sales and tap into other demographics. At least old world players already have a passion for the hobby, it's not a fad for them. Whilst I get that people will be worried that WFB is going to steal some of the player base, if baffles me how you say this and still come to this conclusion. They are clearly not going to be the cause of AoS losing its community. The Three years warning here isn't a cliff edge either. And its not even like they are cancelling AoS, but at least you are weary that AoS *might* suffer as a result, as you have seen them remove games before and know what to expect. The end times is a poor example as they never made it clear that this was the end of WFB during its run. I think most people expected the setting to be reset (as they had done before after a big end of the world campaign) or that the shift in the timeline would happen and the next edition would be about the reshaped old world map and we would go back to a stand-off with chaos, but just a couple of years after the final battle. Whilst I do represent probably the absolutely smallest part of this community(I only play AoS skirmish, narratively. I've continued to paint and *not find time to* play WFB. Many of my warbands & projects are designed to play in multiple systems- including things like my post-apoc AoS/40k skaven warband, which didn't go down well in AoS or 40k groups. I only play at home. I'm still running games with the first GHB. I never play tournaments or at stores and never even bothering to keep up with FAQs and updates) I still buy almost every AoS release- currently, but I won't be once this edition is 'complete'. The last book I need is a new seraphon book and I'd be ok with also seeing a new KO book, but after that I have nothing left to buy for AoS and decided a long while back now that this would be the last edition of any warhammer game I'd buy into and so I could go into this edition and buy almost everything. I no longer see the point in chasing rules every couple of years. I don't play any where near enough to run the rules enough to boredom and there is certainly enough scope with the battletomes we currently have to never need to buy a new army and still have plenty of new things to convert, paint up and try out. I'm sure I'm not the only one that will happily continue to play (what will be) retro rules in the future. Same as many people have continued to play WFB over the last few years. At least with the old world being renewed, some of us will stay invested in GW products for a little longer. I'm already spending more money on alternative models for AoS than I am for official lines. Bringing back the old world is one of only two ways GW can keep me buying into new games and keeping an interest in what ever the current AoS edition is doing when it gets here. They have already stopped making the things I wanted to see more of for AoS and that was long before this announcement. (and even then, I'm likely to shelve any new rulebooks I end up with and stick with 6th or 8th edition) I really don't understand why so many people don't just ask their groups to play a game they like, even if it's not currently supported. I get that pick up games are harder, but if you are playing with regular people (and many of the comments of doom and gloom suggest that they do, being they say they are part of an AoS community) then surly people will be happy to play various games, as long as you offer them the same courtesy in return. If they do ditch AoS, it's simply a case of setting up one night AoS, one night WFB. If they refuse, then AoS was probably never going to be their game in the long run.
  4. Oh for sure, yes! For the most part, goblin heroes still remain great but I'd love a redone plastic Grom. I love the original model a lot but it's just so small and far too compact!! I'd love to see it redone with a chariot fit for the goblin king! The elven dragons would be another set I'd like too see redone. The dark elves plastic dragon is lovely and even that is pretty old now. I found, surprisingly, after painting 6mm exclusively for a few years, I learnt more about painting and it helped increase my skill in 28mm scale a lot more than any amount of practice I put into the larger stuff before. And my 6mm stuff was never the stuff of high legends! There are some truly mind blowing 6mm painters out there. But 6mm (and 10mm) can look just as good with a wash and a drybrush as larger scale stuff does. The amount of detail on new 6mm models is insane. I've even managed to paint eyes on some of my orcs & trolls at that scale, though it's not something I'd do all the time as it would drive you insane! But compatibility is the main issue. I'd love warmaster to come back, but I very much doubt they would, not at first at least. There would be an outcry of hatred if GW did that- I'm sure people would feel they had been led on.
  5. An Epic scale warhammer fantasy game is all I've ever wanted. But yes, AoS really would suit a small scale game. It's a shame it's unlikely to happen. Even if they did I'd presume they would go 10mm as too not push away the warmaster crowd. I already have a huge collection of 6mm fantasy and I've been really tempted to push all my other projects out of the way and finally get a lot of it painted. I'd love to run something like war of the beard or the battle for black fire pass in 6mm with some truly spectacular terrain. Godbeasts and cogforts would be amazing to see on the table in small scale. Certainly 6mm AoS is something that makes me want to get a 3D printer even more (though I'm getting close to getting one anyway for Epic)
  6. The trick is too only every buy models and games that you are happy owning and either have a use for now or will remain happy owning forever onwards. If you buy into all the new releases and expect it to still be current a year down the line, you are fooling yourself. Gw haven't worked like that for a long time. Which is exactly why I've not touched new necromunda big sets. They have been awful cash grabs. The first one was out of date in weeks and I suspect that this new one will follow the same path. But I have brought some of the gang boxsets, as the models will last me forever and had some bits in there for other games I play. I'll treat the new game the same way. Nice book with lots of lore & maps- instant buy. Great models- instant buy with the possibility of buying a 2nd set to store for adding to in the future (in case of models being removed). Rules or expensive add ons which could be out of date as quickly as the first FAQ comes out- ignore it. Add on parts or extras for models that are NEEDED for the game (like forgeworld weapon kits)- Also ignore it, scratch building and proxying is fine for me. Correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression the other big sell of this set was that the models were unique to this box only and wouldn't be seen again. One of several reasons I choice to skip them and go with an alternative release. I'd actually be really curious to read a paper or documentary on this phenomenon. I don't recall it being like this 15+ years ago, but then social media wasn't so readily available back then so we didn't get to see so much of what we do now. I'd be really curious if this is just something that has come along because of the modern age or if it really is a mental condition. It is utterly bizarre. I've never understood why people are so attached to companies like blizzard or GW, yet probably buy their vacuum cleaners and toasters with as a little care as you'd might expect them too.
  7. While it never really bothered me, the old world is not as advanced as the realms, though the model lines for AoS never really did the lore justice, being that they just chucked models from the old world into the new setting with out updating them. The problem is with the lore and style, rather than a problem with the models themselves. The magic and craziness of the realms doesn't really fit the grim dark grounded in reality psudo-European setting. Almost everything can be explained away with 'a wizard did it', but it would be hard to convincingly have giant cities on the backs of worms in the old world. They would be no chance of the small villages of the empire surviving when travelling cities could squish them with out even noticing them. This again doesn't affect the model lines too much, but there are some WFB 'purists' that won't want to see some of the more over the top designs retro fitted back into the game. (Personally, I'd decided long before this announcement to happily square base my new Morathi model!) Yeap, this is where they could also shine! I love the skaven but this years AoS release was one of my least favourites, I've not even opened my battletome yet I was that disappointed. I'd definitely like to see some of the old models redone in plastic and they would work for both eras. They could even release duel kits (similar to how daemon kits work for both 40k & fantasy) with a couple of weapon or options that work for one game or the other. I will have a chuckle if they just rebox the old empire kits that just reboxed for AoS, back again for the old world. I can imagine their is some warehouse trolls questioning their will to live right about now.
  8. A little lazy I know- But I'm going to repost what I posted in the rumour thread as the rumour thread will return to rumours soon and the old world talk will continue on from here. I've slept on the announcement and what I wrote yesterday remains how I feel about the whole thing. My biggest gripe remains the unrest in the communities, which is the very last paragraph of my comment. I'm even more annoyed at GW for this (and only this) than I was yesterday. I woke up to see a torrent of abusive threads in what was meant to be hobby groups. I really dislike the Us Vs Them attitude this hobby brings. I saw it in when fantasy was canned and the fan base hated on AoS. I've seen it in the AoS community with Matched/points Vs Narrative/Creative (This is one of main reasons I disliked a lot of this years AoS). I stopped being involved with another fantasy game due to the fan base attacking anything that wasn't 'pure'. And now we have come full circle to seeing AoS fans attacking WFB and saying that the old world should stay gone. (I'm also not keen on seeing WFB fans treating the announcement as them 'winning' or having 'defeated aos', But I can understand the want for them to celebrate something they have stayed passionate for over the years and gotten back!) The only additional thing that I would have added since yesterday is this is a perfect chance for them to add the vampire coast stuff to the game! New zombie/monster models would work just as well in both systems and this would a be a good lead in product- total war really increased the vampire coasts popularity and it would be silly not to cash in on that! (give me that sweet plastic necrofex kit!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is a lot to unpack in this announcement (Which is surprising as it was just a logo!). As someone that has continued to enjoy WFB & loved the first three years of AoS (this year has been ok, but I'm not impressed with many of the releases), I'm not actually as excited over the announcement as someone who loves WFB should be (Though I'm not going to shout and rant and rage on facebook either!) but it was better than I'd actually expected it be and the announcement & tease today was far better done than yesterdays. The good- The old world is back! We might finally see the battle for blackfire pass get its release! (That book looked awesome before they canned it!) I'm still happily painting old world armies which now might see new models (and I have just enough to paint up at least 3 more models in this unit before the release! 🀣 ) More models for all the games! Hoping to see reprints/remakes of classic books/campaigns, with modern quality books & terrain! New fiction set in the old world! I'd love more WFB horror to come out! (Hell, I'd even try my hand at writing some!) Hopefully a return of old (or at least new versions of) kits they got rid off, which have no good or easy alternatives (High elves, Tomb kings) Mordheim might come back! The bad- We just don't need it. The old world lives on in plenty of other games and model ranges. WFB rules are cheap 2nd hand (or even cheaper than that!) and there was never anything stopping anyone from continuing to play it. I'd hate to see them sweep away all the fan made continuations & armies books put out since 2015. It seems a little obnoxious to announce this not long after putting out CoS, as it was a bit of a refugee camp for peoples old world collections! Announcing it three years in advance seems way off. Only reason they might be doing that is that they have (finally) noticed that others have filled the void WFB left and they want to try and stop some of that money going into those other games, possible before those games gain even more popularity (and it will be harder to get people to come back) It's going to break up communities even more than they already are. Already arguments are breaking out between people that hate/love one game or the other. Once again GW is catering to the loudest (and often most obnoxious) parts of the fan base (Or at least they appear to be, which is enough to give validation to these people. I still think they don't really care what people ask for but are happy to let them think that when they release something as it looks good on them) Backwards character placement. There will be a whole host of characters (& places) added to the old world from AoS lore. I wasn't keen on them adding so many characters from the old world into AoS, but people do seem to enjoy it & for the most part, those that did return made sense (as much as sense can be made in these universes!). But I can see it not working as well in reverse. It will be just like the good old days- Only far more expensive! Less resources pumped into AoS Less money going into AoS over the next three years (Why would I buy the fancy new AoS army next year now, knowing I might not want to use it in WFB two years down the line) If AoS is the "most successful fantasy game ever", then why are they not concentrating on that. I've been saying for the past year it sounds like no one in GW really cares for AoS and they were just making the most of what they had been left with. GW tried this before- trying to support too many games at the same time. It didn't end well and has taken them to now to bounce back from the culling of their lines. The biggest thing I take away from this announcement is that GW do everything they do for money, but don't seem to care about the ramifications on the community. As hobbyists/a community are first loyalty should always be with each other- we are after all the ones we game with, talk too, hang out and get to know. But I know full well that all hell is going to break loose over the coming weeks/months/ years. Anyone with strong opinions has it it in for the other game and it's going to make the both games unpleasant to talk about online. I think this might be the time I final ditch both forums & social media for good and continue to enjoy the hobby in my home. I already grumble quite a bit about releases and I could see myself easily getting caught up in rows over painting/bases/games and taking away time from my actual hobby.
  9. I've just started an Albion army, using warlord games models. But I'd go mad for some new plastic Albion giants! I love the old metal ones but they are just so small now!
  10. There is a lot to unpack in this announcement. As someone that has continued to enjoy WFB & loved the first three years of AoS (this year has been ok, but I'm not impressed with many of the releases), I'm not actually as excited over the announcement as someone who loves WFB should be (Though I'm not going to shout and rant and rage on facebook either!) but it was better than I'd actually expected it be and the announcement & tease today was far better done than yesterdays. The good- The old world is back! We might finally see the battle for blackfire pass get its release! (That book looked awesome before they canned it!) I'm still happily painting old world armies which now might see new models (and I have just enough to paint up at least 3 more models in this unit before the release! 🀣 ) More models for all the games! Hoping to see reprints/remakes of classic books/campaigns, with modern quality books & terrain! New fiction set in the old world! I'd love more WFB horror to come out! (Hell, I'd even try my hand at writing some!) Hopefully a return of old (or at least new versions of) kits they got rid off, which have no good or easy alternatives (High elves, Tomb kings) Mordheim might come back! The bad- We just don't need it. The old world lives on in plenty of other games and model ranges. WFB rules are cheap 2nd hand (or even cheaper than that!) and there was never anything stopping anyone from continue playing it. I'd hate to see them sweep away all the fan mad continuations & armies books put out since 2015. It seems a little obnoxious to announce this not long after putting out CoS, as it was a bit of a refugee camp for peoples old world collections! Announcing it three years in advance seems way off. Only reason they might be doing that is that they have (finally) noticed that others have filled the void WFB left and they want to try and stop some of that money going into those other games, possible before those games gain even more popularity (and it will be harder to get people to come back) It's going to break up communities even more than they already are. Already arguments are breaking out between people that hate/love one game or the other. Once again GW is catering to the loudest (and often most obnoxious) parts of the fan base (Or at least they appear to be, which is enough to give validation to these people. I still think they don't really care what people ask for but are happy to let them think that when they release something as it looks good on them) Backwards character placement. There will be a whole host of characters (& places) added to the old world from AoS lore. I wasn't keen on them adding so many characters from the old world into AoS, but people do seem to enjoy it & for the most part, those that did return made sense (as much as sense can be made in these universes!). But I can see it not working as well in reverse. It will be just like the good old days- Only far more expensive! Less resources pumped into AoS Less money going into AoS over the next three years (Why would I buy the fancy new AoS army next year now, knowing I might not want to use it in WFB two years down the line) If AoS is the "most successful fantasy game ever", then why are they not concentrating on that. I've been saying for the past year it sounds like no one in GW really cares for AoS and they were just making the most of what they had been left with. GW tried this before- trying to support too many games at the same time. It didn't end well and has taken them to know to bounce back from the culling of their lines. The biggest thing I take away from this announcement is that GW do everything they do for money, but don't seem to care about the ramifications on the community. As hobbyists/a community are first loyalty should always be with each other- we are after all the ones we game with, talk too, hang out and get to know. But I know full well that all hell is going to break loose over the coming weeks/months/ years. Anyone with strong opinions has it it in for the other game and it's going to make the both games unpleasant to talk about online. I think this might be the time I final ditch both forums & social media for good and continue to enjoy the hobby in my home. I already grumble quite a bit about releases and I could see myself easily getting caught up in rows over painting/bases/games and taking away time from my actual hobby.
  11. Yeah, I'm not a fan of this 'tease' either. It's clearly been done to provoke a reaction and gain a bit of internet buzz, which usually means that what ever it is isn't actually any good. A good hobby product should sell it self and doesn't need this kind of sneak/tease advertising. All this aims to do is to provoke a reaction. If it's anything less than a legacy version of WFB then some people are going to be cross and feel cheated, even if they are the ones that convinced themselves that it was coming. There is going to be a lot of disappointed people, come 3pm tomorrow, and then a lot of people complaining about those people moaning the day after. It's stirring up unrest in hobby groups and it's not good for the community.
  12. I suspect that if they are returning that most, if not all the range will be redone from scratch. I'd have thought that some of the plastics would have been kept on sale otherwise and for the whole lot of go off sale, I'd be very surprised to see any of them return. I hope if it is a complete overhaul, that they keep the same aesthetic as before, as it pretty much is their main selling point. If it looses that Egyptian/desert style, I'm sure a lot of people will be really disappointed and the forums will be hell with complaints. I would love to see the old plastics return, even if it only in a start collection set for a handful of returning kits. They were one of the armies I've always kicked myself for not picking up, especially since the misses is hooked on anything with an Egyptian theme and being able to knock out a painted TK army for her would certainly ease my painting Q, even if it's not shortening it!
  13. Not really. We've already had a couple of books with both Freeguild and Elves that are on the cover. But neither have gotten new battletomes yet. It is of course possible they will come, GW have pretty much confirmed that they plan to get battletomes out for all forces that will remain in AoS. But nothing to say they won't remove any of the models before then. Gloomspite gave us a Grot battletome but we lost most of the gits, included a couple of newish models.
  14. About a year ago I caught myself painting the underneath/inside of a Epic scale Rhino which I was then about to glue to a base. I realised I had been painting like this for such a long time I wasn't even noticing that the bits were hidden. So I've been trying to stop myself doing it and will often dry fit pieces repeatedly whilst painting now to make sure I don't need to paint certain parts. I have caught myself out on my Ironclad though, as I started painted all the hidden dials and details before my realisation and have to finished it the same way or I'll notice, which is one of the reasons it still on my desk and not finished even though I brought it when it came out. There are so damn many dials and buttons on the thing! One day I'll power through the last of it!
  15. I'd suspect that would be the pre-order day and it would come out the last sat of the month then. Still in the time frame and what better way to get people to snap it up, by having everyone there share the low quality photos and talk about how OP the warband they happened to be playing on the day is! I'd not put it past GW, but having the release day the same day as people getting their first look at it seems a bit odd. If that's the release day, then we will have seen the pre-order the week before and anything else they put out on the game the week before, meaning that by the open day the news of the game would be 'old hat'. Still would be the first chance to play the game, but I think the buzz might have died off a bit if it's been on the community page all week.
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