IronVIke Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just wanted a place to let us throw wild speculation about how these Stormcast might be different for 4th edition. I'm gonna kick it off for us. Launch Box Leader/Hero: Vandus Hammerhand - Im hoping Vandus gets a new model. Something big beefy and unique. (although I feel like they are going to do this much like they would do the primarchs from 40k). (Same way I feel they will do an Ascended Khul similar to what they did angron) Lord: Updated Lord Relictor - I feel like they are going to be more present in the ruination chamber ask keepers of those who are on their last reforging. Knight: Something new - I like the idea again that its a role centered around keeping the ruination stormcasts in line Unit of 10: Thunderstrike Liberators Unit of 3: Lightning Prosecutor Variant Unit of 3: Dualists I'm hoping they have an astetic to them along the lines like the relictor. Skull shaped helms and would love black armor with gold accents like Ionus has in his artwork! let me know what you want to see! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyshadow Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Be very interested to see what we get for Stormcast. I’d like to see more Thunderstrike armour. I like both the new and old armour typers but a move to make the range more consistent would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draznak Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I wish there weren't so many new additions, which makes this army completely bloated, especially compared to the other factions, but it's a lost cause... We know, thanks to @Whitefang, that it's going to be a mix of new stuff (Ruination chamber/Death company-like) and thunderstrike updates to older units (new liberators seems like a safe bet to me, especially after the Realms of Ruin video game). Prosecutors thunderstrike would be great too ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I think we will get Thunderstrike Liberators (the concept art was used for Realms of Ruin) as well as a number of other 2015 models refreshed into new Thunderstrike kits. Anything that doesn't get Thunderstrike armour will be retired to Legends. Extremis, Vanguard, and Sacrosanct will eventually get refreshed, but not at the edition launch. They may prune a few units like Castigators in the new book. I'm not sure we would get a new Lord-Relictor since we already have a Thunderstrike Knight-Relictor and Ionus - the original Lord-Relictor - has a new model. It could go either way, but if I had to guess I would say they will just cut the Lord-Relictor model entirely. There's also speculation that they are dropping the Lord and Knight distinction in the next battletome, since Ionus did not have the LORD keyword initially. Vandus might be killed off before 4th edition. There has been foreshadowing to his permanent death in the Dawnbringers books and short stories. Here's my guesses for what is being refreshed and what is being cut New Thunderstrike model: Celestant Prime Vandus Hammerhand? Neave/Knight-Zephyros (already done) Knight-Heraldor Knight-Venator/Knight-Azyros Lord-Celestant (with a special character option?) Lord-Castellant (already one in Toll's Companions) Prosecutors Liberators (already kinda confirmed) Judicators Retributors/Decimators/Protectors Removed with no replacement: Gavriel Sureheart Lord-Relictor? Lord-Veritant Knight Vexillor (rolled into Thunderstrike warscroll) Knight-Questor Maybe Gardus will be thunderstruck into a Lord-Commander during the next narrative campaign. On top of the refreshed kits we will get some brand new ones for Ruination Chamber units, but I don't think it will be a huge Chamber. I expect 1-2 units and 1-2 heroes, at most. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Klatz Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) Haha, Ruination Chamber thread but it’s 99% Thunderstrike talk of other chambers. 😄 But yeah I agree they’ll probably serve as small elites. On Vandus I don’t think he’ll show up yet, with Ascended Khul on the horizon that just feels too much of a narrative opportunity to release them together to echo AoS1’s beginnings. I imagine the box force split between a new Castellant(with the giant teleport key the new theme), Knight commander, Liberators, Judicators and maybe a new angel hero like the Venator for the shining noble side. and then the dour Ruination side being a new Lord-Relictor & possibly a Thunderous One hero with lightning crackling through the armor containing their form who warden a heavy infantry unit of golem-like troops alongside bound Lightning Gheists*. These being the set’s version of Retributors & Prosecutors with the actual Thunderstrike ones farther out as separate releases. *these things being really what upset the populace with the obvious NightHaunt mirror but Sigmar needs numbers to hold Order’s tenuous gains Edited March 12 by Baron Klatz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommissarRotke Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 I'm wondering if the gheists will be new screening units? glass cannons in melee, but screens nonetheless. I am actually starting to think the Yndrasta equivalent might be the new Castellant model, or possibly even reforged Astreia?? It doesn't make sense to put Vandus in a launch box without Khul. my Ruination chamber thoughts: gheist unit in 5s armored "Ruinators" in 3s Sacrosanct handlers or support hero that keep the Ruin Chamber focused and/or stable Vandus Final Reforging, likely in dual box with new Khorne? generic combat hero On 3/12/2024 at 1:14 PM, PJetski said: Retributors/Decimators/Protectors these are definitely not in the launch box as they'd take the place of Ruination kits, but I do think the other paladins have got to be refreshed in 4e so they can get down to being in 3s like annihilators. it would also FINALLY expand on annihilator armor having animal motifs. On 3/12/2024 at 1:14 PM, PJetski said: Lord-Relictor? Lord-Veritant I'd be surprised if there's not a new generic "Relictor" so I'm with you that the Lord/Knight distinction might get removed for models, as it means the Knight Relictor will slot into the generic role easily. Veritant I can see being axed to make room for a Ruination hero, Since Ruination Chamber feels like an obvious choice to showcase Thunderstruck Sacrosanct, maybe new Veritant comes with new Vanguard Chamber? whatever happens to them, their Lantern of Abjuration should 100% stay in the game/lore in some way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrus Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 That's the image that Whitefang posted about ruination chamber, so it is probably a 5 man unit 💀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikout Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 My desires for the ruination chamber. Push the gothic to eleven. The Dark Angels don't go nearly far enough. Have a new type of monster as a mount. Maybe giant wolf inspired monsters but more scary and less cute than the space wolf thunder wolves. I really like the annihilators so a new paladin unit that's similar to them armed with axes or halberds would be cool. The regular unit could be similar to the liberators but their armour is damaged and they carry personal trophies. A hero on a mid sized monster and a new lord relictor on foot would round out the range nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Klatz Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 23 hours ago, cyrus said: That's the image that Whitefang posted about ruination chamber, so it is probably a 5 man unit 💀 With his Like react today of the cover Corebook art being a unit and not a character I wonder if It’s a SCE Command Corps situation since the character looks so fancy? Group of Lord level characters acting together in a unit trying to keep eachother alive while letting loose with near god-level powers? SCE Soulbound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrus Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 1 hour ago, Baron Klatz said: With his Like react today of the cover Corebook art being a unit and not a character I wonder if It’s a SCE Command Corps situation since the character looks so fancy? Group of Lord level characters acting together in a unit trying to keep eachother alive while letting loose with near god-level powers? SCE Soulbound. I wish they had same design as Ionus : Black and gold armour, skull and bones. He seems pretty plain and boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Klatz Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 We could see another Lord-Relictor in that style watching over the Ruinators. They need their Death Company Chaplain afterall(unless Ionus is supposed to be that) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 I don’t know why, but when I think ruined stormcast I think of Stormcast Almost mutated by the powers of Azyr but instead of breaking out in mutations and claws their Limbs and armour rent into forms of Azyr Magic, bolts of lightning, tempests, and Pure Balefire. I suppose Imagine the Gal Vorbak, but instead of the flesh turning into mutation, it turns into pure energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorticulusTGA Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 So going by Whitefang's likes in the Rumors Thread, this is the "Ruination" equivalent to the Sequitor / Liberator / ...-or Prime we got last editions on the Core Book covers A cape, some kind of halo, a quite long weapon (probably a hammer), could it be a blanchized&thunderstrikized Retributor-Prime without helmet ??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lost Sigmarite Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 He seems to be wearing thunderstrike armour. The fur on the shoulders is nothing new, some SCE already have some (imperatant, vanguards) but the halo/collar looks new. Overall not that different from other SCE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Klatz Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) If that is a Thunderstrike Retributor looking more like Dhoraz Giant-fell then maybe the Ruination Chamber isn’t all last reforged Stormcast afterall but a mix of those with ruined souls & those that bring ruin by powerful weapons?(maybe the guesses at it being the artillery chamber weren’t far off then 😄) I guess as the last 3 specialist chambers they could do some mixings for certain jobs.(especially since rare one-shot soldiers getting overwhelmed everywhere means the Chamber likely wouldn’t last long on it’s own) Edit: Haha, funny shower thought. What if the unit on the cover has most of the hammer hidden because that’s where the ruined soul is? I was thinking about Dark Souls 2 and it crossed my mind what would happen if they weaponized those statues they lock broken souls away in like you can do with a statue of the wicked queen? Also completes the death-mask aesthetic of on their masks, pauldrons, armor, shields and now weapons. 😄 Edited March 16 by Baron Klatz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorticulusTGA Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Yep, that's the artwork of a model : 2 hours ago, SG Warhound said: Singapore Warhound Huh? Look familiar? This is my last leak……Bye! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Klatz Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Gotta say that still looks too Lordly to be just a unit trooper but we’ll see in a few days how much Azyrian crow my thoughts will eat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorticulusTGA Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 I too think it is a Lord - but then maybe we misinterpreted Whitefangs likes in the rumor thread about the cover being a Liberator-Prime equivalent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theduke Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 So Ruination chamber are just veterans who may or may not be able to be reincarnated again.... That will allow for all sorts of crossover from other chambers. Im speculating we will just see personalized armor of various designs with a heavy emphasis on Thunderstrike armor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Looks like a Lord-Celestant to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Klatz Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 It does give that vibe to me too. I’m guesssing they’re gonna mirror the AoS1 units & commanders since they’re old enough to have hollowed over the centuries and could have some dual-kits so you can have refreshed standard immortal Thunderstrike versions as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronVIke Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 Someone in the rumors thread pointed out that there are 8 kits in the leviathan launch box for both nids and SM So in the launch box I think we could see.... From the Video: Thunderstrike Liberators (Unit of 10) Thunderstrike Prosecutors (Unit of 5) Ruination Leader (Lord Rank) On (Ravengriphon?) Mount (Ruination Chamber) (Single Model) Ruination Infantry (I Think These Are Our Paladin Equivalent) (Ruination Chamber) (Unit of 3) Not In The Video Foot Leader/Character From The Book Cover (Named Hero) (Ruination Chamber) (Single Model) A Knight Rank Character (Ruination Chamber) (Single Model) Thunderstrike Judicators (Unit of 5) Following Wave Of Models Thunderstrike Knight Azyros/Venator Thunderstrike Paladins Kit That Builds The Ruination Infantry or other variations Thunderstrike Lord Veritant/Lord Castellant/Lord Celestant Kit Thunderstrike Dualists (dual wield swords) Ruination Calvary Ruination Ranged Ruination Chamber Leader Half Way Through 4th Edition (Vanguard Rework) Thunderstrike Paladors Thunderstrike Vanguard Raptros Thunderstrike Vanguard Hunters Thunderstrike Lord Aqular 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorri Nelriksson Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Do you think we could see an actual dreadnought style stormcasts unit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukeus Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 I Hope no dreadnought unit. Or Tank. Then they could really Just call them marines at that Point. Warmachines could be cool but i would prefer some giant ballista or trebuchet. Something ancient/medieval aosified with lightning Bolts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon-knight77 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 19 hours ago, IronVIke said: Someone in the rumors thread pointed out that there are 8 kits in the leviathan launch box for both nids and SM So in the launch box I think we could see.... From the Video: Thunderstrike Liberators (Unit of 10) Thunderstrike Prosecutors (Unit of 5) Ruination Leader (Lord Rank) On (Ravengriphon?) Mount (Ruination Chamber) (Single Model) Ruination Infantry (I Think These Are Our Paladin Equivalent) (Ruination Chamber) (Unit of 3) Not In The Video Foot Leader/Character From The Book Cover (Named Hero) (Ruination Chamber) (Single Model) A Knight Rank Character (Ruination Chamber) (Single Model) Thunderstrike Judicators (Unit of 5) Following Wave Of Models Thunderstrike Knight Azyros/Venator Thunderstrike Paladins Kit That Builds The Ruination Infantry or other variations Thunderstrike Lord Veritant/Lord Castellant/Lord Celestant Kit Thunderstrike Dualists (dual wield swords) Ruination Calvary Ruination Ranged Ruination Chamber Leader Half Way Through 4th Edition (Vanguard Rework) Thunderstrike Paladors Thunderstrike Vanguard Raptros Thunderstrike Vanguard Hunters Thunderstrike Lord Aqular I agree with Thunderstrike Liberators (Unit of 10) Thunderstrike Prosecutors (Unit of 5) Ruination Lord On Raven-gryph Mount (Ruination Chamber) (Single Model) Ruination Custodes (Ruination Chamber) (Unit of 3) Foot Leader/Character From The Book Cover (Named Hero) (Ruination Chamber) (Single Model) but the rest i expect to see from the box: A Dreadnought equivalent not necessary a combat coffin but like a Lighting ghiest -esq behemoth unit (Ruination Chamber) (Single Model) Thunderstrike Judicators (Unit of 5) part of me think they could change the judicators with another type of range weapon then some bows rather bolt pistol or Hurricane Crossbows Afterward Thunderstrike Knight Azyros/Venator Thunderstrike Paladins Kit That Builds The Ruination Infantry or other variations Thunderstrike Lord Veritant/Lord Castellant/Lord Celestant Kit Thunderstrike Dualists (dual wield swords) Thunderstrike Lord Relictor Ruination Ranged Ruination Vandus 8 hours ago, Snorri Nelriksson said: Do you think we could see an actual dreadnought style stormcasts unit? 4 hours ago, Dukeus said: I Hope no dreadnought unit. Or Tank. Then they could really Just call them marines at that Point. Warmachines could be cool but i would prefer some giant ballista or trebuchet. Something ancient/medieval aosified with lightning Bolts. I think the stormcast "Dreadnought" more align with a colossus staute infused with the souls of the stormcast or even something like a large angelic stormcast 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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