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I'm thinking we are more in line with 21 models same as dominion 10x Liberators - (Balanced BY 10x Vindictors in Dominion) 3x Prosecutors - (Balanced By 3x Praetors) 3x Ruination Bladeguard - (Balanced By 3x Annihilators) Ravenclaw Mounted Lord - (Balanced By Yndrasta) Book Cover Lord - (Balanced By Lord Imperitant) 2x Knight Heroes - (Balanced By Knight Arcanum & Knight Vexilor) if we end up going larger in number I think it will be through making the x3 Ruination Chamber Characters a x5 group like you would most paladin groups (hence maybe we get to 23 models)(if we went 26 or 27 then I'd think that prosecutors become a unit of 6 and that Lord on the front of the book gets a griffhound)

Someone in the rumors thread pointed out that there are 8 kits in the leviathan launch box for both nids and SM So in the launch box I think we could see.... From the Video: Thunderstrike Liberators (Unit of 10) Thunderstrike Prosecutors (Unit of 5) Ruination Leader (Lord Rank) On (Ravengriphon?) Mount (Ruination Chamber) (Single Model) Ruination Infantry (I Think These Are Our Paladin Equivalent) (Ruination Chamber) (Unit of 3) Not In The Video Foot Leader/Character From The Book Cover (Named Hero) (Ruination Chamber) (Single Model) A Knight Rank Character (Ruination Chamber) (Single Model) Thunderstrike Judicators (Unit of 5) Following Wave Of Models Thunderstrike Knight Azyros/Venator Thunderstrike Paladins Kit That Builds The Ruination Infantry or other variations Thunderstrike Lord Veritant/Lord Castellant/Lord Celestant Kit Thunderstrike Dualists (dual wield swords) Ruination Calvary Ruination Ranged Ruination Chamber Leader Half Way Through 4th Edition (Vanguard Rework) Thunderstrike Paladors Thunderstrike Vanguard Raptros Thunderstrike Vanguard Hunters Thunderstrike Lord Aqular

I'm not sure about etiquette but do I get to do a partial victory lap on these predictions??? I think I hit about 80 percent on the dates and makeup of everything.....

How much you wanna bet we don't get rat god avatar in launch box. It will come like norm emissaries separate as large centerpiece models to add on with 2-3 different builds

Just wanted a place to let us throw wild speculation about how these Stormcast might be different for 4th edition. I'm gonna kick it off for us. Launch Box Leader/Hero: Vandus Hammerhand - Im hoping Vandus gets a new model. Something big beefy and unique. (although I feel like they are going to do this much like they would do the primarchs from 40k). (Same way I feel they will do an Ascended Khul similar to what they did angron) Lord: Updated Lord Relictor - I feel like they are going to be more present in the ruination chamber ask keepers of those who are on their last reforging. Knight: Something new - I like the idea again that its a role centered around keeping the ruination stormcasts in line Unit of 10: Thunderstrike Liberators Unit of 3: Lightning Prosecutor Variant Unit of 3: Dualists I'm hoping they have an astetic to them along the lines like the relictor. Skull shaped helms and would love black armor with gold accents like Ionus has in his artwork! let me know what you want to see!

So far lol. hope it continues!

For Skaven vs Stormcast - In the Dawnbringers Story: The Mechanisms of Ruin. One of the warlocks creates what could be considered a soul destroying weapon..."When the warpstone core is attuned to a piece of Queelum’s body, an attached warhead will become attuned to Queelum’s soul-scent. Its blast will annihilate his very essence!" So what if the skaven have created weapons that also destroy a stormcasts soul when killing them. So Sigmars answer to this is pragmatic. Why have soldiers with multiple reforgings left get their soul disintegrated, when you can crack open the ruination chamber and use a bunch of stormcast who are on their last reforging. effective spending of resources will be the reason. And I think I still maintain that we are headed to chamon for 4th, its the best place to introduce the Chorfs and renew the Skaven, BoC, Ogres, fyreslayers. Everything will be built around war machines, all of which fit these faction updates. Malareon and Slannesh and ulgu will end up waiting until 5th edition or be part of the transition to 5th

OK Here We Go! I reviewed the lead up to adepticon and leviathan from last year here is what I think we can expect these coming weeks. Buckle up we are in for a whirlwind of reveals! Weeks Leading Up To Adepticon March 11th last year (Arks of Omen): Vashtor Pre-order - This Year March 9th (Dawnbringers): Krethusa Pre-order March 12th last year (Leviathan Tease 1): Echoes from the warp - This Year March 10th or 11th 4th Edition Tease 1 March 20th last year (Leviathan Tease 2): The shadows clear - This Year March 18th 4th Edition Tease 2 Adepticon Last Year - Leviathan Reveal, Kill Team Reveal, (Arks of Omen): Lion El Johnson Reveal This Year - 4th Edition Reveal, Warcry Dual Box Reveal (I am personally hoping for Kurnothi & Ossiarch like in the dawnbringers story)(Interchangable with underworlds reveal), Dawnbringers 6 Reveal with lady of ruin & Korghus Khul Ascended *Hot take: Khuls ascension to demonhood will be the bridging model for the stories end like kragnos was heading in to 3rd Others Last year - in the weeks leading up to adepticon there were also a reveals for necromunda, and boarding patrols. This year - this could mean reveals for underworlds (Interchangable with war cry), and the spearheads boxes leading up to adepticon this year After Adepticon Last Year March 25th: Arks of Omen: Tau Preorder This Year March 23rd: Darkoath Army Preorder I honestly believe they will follow the format of last year's Adepticon lead up. Id put money on this. Let's see if my logic holds firm! Who is with me!

Do the skulls on that banner not match the skull on the second RE bottle?

I recently did a tracking of the last year of GW releases of AOS and 40k to get an idea of how this year could stack up for Dawnbringers ⅘ releases and the lead in to 4th and when we can expect things when compared to how GW rolled out all the info for leviathan and onward. Prior to LVO: Early Jan had a review of Arks of Omen (AoO) Abandon which I believe was book 1 of their 5 and their 40k version of dawnbringers. As well as some boarding patrol reveals which I believe is the comparison for the AOS spearheads. This puts us a little ahead of where 40k was at this time as we have already had dawnbringers 3 for quite a while. At LVO Reveal of a box set for Vashtorr which was book 3 and we are ahead of this timeline for AOS which is why we've probably been totally dry on reveals. Also a small reveal for new units for space marines as well For this LVO I bet we get the model reveals for the Death faction regiments of renown and any adjacent new heroes that come with them (similar to the harbinger releases) Then I believe we will get a teaser of the darkoath but not a major reveal (either the new unit OR the new hero as a tease for Dawnbringers 5. Warcry Lumineth vs Nighthaunt feels super likely and Underworlds has all kinds of options. The cat however makes me think of CoS because of how many humans use cats to detect death. I think thematically this can fit along side the “grave robbers” tag that has been linked to the underworlds reveal recently. After LVO (Feb) Leading up to Warhammer World Open (Early March) Multiple new boarding patrols and combat patrol boxes were being revealed. (again this ties things to the likely new revamps of the vanguard boxes in favor of spearheads) Review of book 3 lore for At Warhammer World Open Reveal for Book for of Arks of Omen book 4 (Here we will get the initial previews for dawnbringers book 5 and probably more reveals related to what realm we may be headed to next) After Warhammer World Open (Early March) Leading up to Adepticon (Late March) Echoes from the warp very first tease towards leviathan happens here. This is when we should get the first teases for 4th. More boarding patrols At Adepticon (Late March) Lion el johnson reveal and Arks of omen book 5 occur here (anticipate the full dawnbringers 5 reveal here, my guess if Khul ascended will happen either here or as a parallel to the kragnos reveal afterwards on our way to 4th edition. Leviathan reveal (all our patience should get rewarded with at least a 4th edition cinematic here) At Warhammer Fest (Late April) Leviathan box contents revealed After Warhammer Fest (May) Announcement for battle for oghrim which was their player influenced meta story, and some new units for 4th revealed for the factions that won't be found in the launch box.

I would be in favor of more than one realm at a time. but i do feel the scope can get wayyy too out there if you just open it wide up. I think 2-3 realms at a time would be solid.

Hot Take, Neferata and the legion of blood will be the new death army in the 5th edition launch box. New model for her and new Vampire soldiers (i am still thinking that the realm of ulgu will be setting for 5th) a land with mysteries, political intrigue, and spycraft. Things Neferata excells at.

I think we are going to end up in Chamon for 4th and that the umbraneth are going to get the FEC treatment as a major narrative faction release in a lead up to Ulgu for 5th in 2026. I think the order or range refresh and changes would go as follows. 2024 - Most likely a 4th launch with a Skaven Refresh (although part of me thinks we might be getting hugely swerved as GW does like to do new factions in their release boxes, so i'm either thinking this is a plant and we could get Chorfs, or more than likely this will feature a skaven clan that we haven't seen much of represented in the models yet. much like kruleboyz was a branch expansion of orruk warclans) 2025 - 1 refresh (most likely a BoC or an Ogres) and 1 new faction launch (Chorfs) 2026 - 1 refresh (Boc or Ogre whichever is left), and 1 new faction launch (Umbraneth). I feel like we are getting them headed into 5th because for narrative purposes. There will be other small range releases. in addition to these larger refreshes and new ranges, but I think that with 4th being the focus of order vs chaos there are other faction releases that will take precedence over Umbraneth. 2026 we will get them (cities of sigmar style) and the narrative will flow into them leading us through the next version of what dawnbringers is to us now. Leading the SCE into conflict with a new Death faction in the launch box of 5th in Ulgu. You then have 3 years to build lore for Ulgu and a year to tease plot points about it.

Here's a fun question. If bonesplitterz get squatted, and you could replace them with something new or an updated version of bonesplitterz.... Which would you choose, how would you do it and why?

Respectfully I think that I view this differently. I think we have had many “beastial” releases throughout the edition, and that the main narrative of “beast” centric model releases has been shown throughout the edition. Kruleboyz with Vulcha, Skumdrek, Marshcrawla, Gnashtoof, Beast Skewer Killa Bow, Breka boss on Murebrute Troggoth Stormcast with Stormdrake Guard, Krondys, Karazi Krondspine Incarnate Sylvaneth Spiterider Lancers/Revenant Seekers (these are the first mounted units for sylvaneth) Centurion Marshal King Brogg UNderworlds Gnarlspirit Pack Ogroids for S2D Ogre Bloodpelt Hunter Snarlfang Riders Squig Boss with Gnasha-Squig Boc Beast Lord (But i don't count this as it is the obligatory accompanying hero with a new battletome) Claws of Kharanak Seraphon Range Refresh (entire range release is super apt for era of the beast) Royal Beastflayers Braggit Trugg Moar Grunta Ironjawz Refresh being pig themed Wildercorpt Hunters Gorger Mawpack Kruleboyz Monsta-Killaz Vulkyn Flameseekers Tahlia Vedra Ionus Belthanos I would heavily argue the FEC refresh is also beastial by nature In addition to all of these there are arguments to be made that even a number of the non beast/destruction themed releases (meaning new models) are themed around responses to the era of the beast, not just adding beastial units themselves). (Errant questors having fur cloaks much like the gen 1 vanguard units and expanding the variety of stormcast beastmarks)(realmgore ritualist, or chosen of dromm for khorn) And we still have some more to come through the rest of dawnbringers before we can call this list capped. I do feel that thematically GW does slant their releases to these kind of narratives for each edition.