Emissary Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Captain Badruk said: How can you get the arkhai to a 2+ save? Would have to include a cover save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choocheelo Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, XReN said: Good thing that there is LOS-blocking terrain behind which I can hide my troops where I play i dont know something? I cant imagine that terrain, where i can hide morghasts. Edited November 7, 2019 by choocheelo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingInYellow Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) Speaking of terrain, as written do the two Crawler special shots require line of sight? They just say select a unit within range. It's not a standard attack procedure. Edit - Asked this in the rules forum as well, curious to get opinions. Edited November 6, 2019 by TheKingInYellow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDD Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Hello people, I've got a couple of questions I'd like to hear your opinions on. First off, is it viable to not run any healing in an Ossiarch list at all? I don't like to run special characters, and I'm not too keen on the Boneshaper or Harvester. Can't we make up for not having any healing with all the other great stuff in OBR? Do we really need it? Second off, what do you think about swords vs spears for Kavalos in the battalion? I was planning on running two units of 10 with spears in Petrifex, and then have "Empower Nadirite Weapons" on a Soulmason. That sounds like it could be worth it in the battalion, but the swords would also be oh-so-good in Petrifex. Appreciate your thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emissary Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, GDD said: Hello people, I've got a couple of questions I'd like to hear your opinions on. First off, is it viable to not run any healing in an Ossiarch list at all? I don't like to run special characters, and I'm not too keen on the Boneshaper or Harvester. Can't we make up for not having any healing with all the other great stuff in OBR? Do we really need it? Second off, what do you think about swords vs spears for Kavalos in the battalion? I was planning on running two units of 10 with spears in Petrifex, and then have "Empower Nadirite Weapons" on a Soulmason. That sounds like it could be worth it in the battalion, but the swords would also be oh-so-good in Petrifex. Appreciate your thoughts. Have to test the viable. I think it may but, but we'll have to see. As for swords vs spears on the horses, swords are better math-wise. The native -1 rend on swords is still better on the charge than the +1 to explode on the spears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firtahl Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 2 hours ago, GDD said: Second off, what do you think about swords vs spears for Kavalos in the battalion? I was planning on running two units of 10 with spears in Petrifex, and then have "Empower Nadirite Weapons" on a Soulmason. That sounds like it could be worth it in the battalion, but the swords would also be oh-so-good in Petrifex. From a numbers perspective, spears are better than swords when fighting in 3 rows. In 10 man squads, you'll rarely if ever be fighting 3 deep, so when taking MSU, swords are optimal. However, if the only rule you care about is the rule of cool then follow your heart on which weapon to model. I for one think spears look way the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcian Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 17 minutes ago, firtahl said: From a numbers perspective, spears are better than swords when fighting in 3 rows. In 10 man squads, you'll rarely if ever be fighting 3 deep, so when taking MSU, swords are optimal. However, if the only rule you care about is the rule of cool then follow your heart on which weapon to model. I for one think spears look way the best. I think they were just talking about the cavalry. But for mortek guard i'm pretty unsure of how big of squads we should optimally go for. Seems most are taking either squads of 10 or 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelomba Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Can you use the batallion from beast box in matched games? Reviving a morghast per turn could be a thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcian Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, Mikelomba said: Can you use the batallion from beast box in matched games? Reviving a morghast per turn could be a thing It has a points cost, and i believe someone posted something from the FAQ that indicated that you could use those kinds of battalions in matched games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 There's a new Mind of Mengel article on warhammer community with a tutorial on doing crematorians style dark bone with internal glow. Pink instead of read, but technique is the same regardless. Here's a quick test model I did in greens: Less of a hassle than I expected it to be. Relatively happy with the results, which are pretty close to some of the photo edit mockups I posted earlier in the thread. Though I might redo the soul gem black and the armor dark green Here's a link to the guide: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/06/from-the-mind-of-mengel-mortek-guard-iigw-homepage-post-4/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emissary Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Sception said: There's a new Mind of Mengel article on warhammer community with a tutorial on doing crematorians style dark bone with internal glow. Pink instead of read, but technique is the same regardless. Here's a quick test model I did in greens: Less of a hassle than I expected it to be. Relatively happy with the results, which are pretty close to some of the photo edit mockups I posted earlier in the thread. Though I might redo the soul gem black and the armor dark green Here's a link to the guide: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/06/from-the-mind-of-mengel-mortek-guard-iigw-homepage-post-4/ Looks good, but I would recommend that you paint the base a different color so that the model stand south from the base instead of blending in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 22 minutes ago, Emissary said: Looks good, but I would recommend that you paint the base a different color so that the model stand south from the base instead of blending in The base still gets another drybrush, & most of it covered in patches of snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcian Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) I'll join in on the scheme posts Test scheme for mine Edited November 7, 2019 by Arcian Edit: I really need to improve my inner glow. Doesn't quite pop as much as I'd like 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XReN Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 10 hours ago, choocheelo said: i dont know something? I cant imagine that terrain, where i can hide morghasts. Custom made one of course. And I've been talking about hiding Stalkers, since Archai are less vulnerable and faster than Stalkers are they don't really need to hide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XReN Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 9 hours ago, GDD said: Hello people, I've got a couple of questions I'd like to hear your opinions on. First off, is it viable to not run any healing in an Ossiarch list at all? I don't like to run special characters, and I'm not too keen on the Boneshaper or Harvester. Can't we make up for not having any healing with all the other great stuff in OBR? Do we really need it? Second off, what do you think about swords vs spears for Kavalos in the battalion? I was planning on running two units of 10 with spears in Petrifex, and then have "Empower Nadirite Weapons" on a Soulmason. That sounds like it could be worth it in the battalion, but the swords would also be oh-so-good in Petrifex. Appreciate your thoughts. I think you can, especially in Kavalos-heavy lists. On the other hand healing your heroes and ressurecting unit Hekatos' can be very usefull (I imagine some people might start including "slay choosen model" mechanics to counter OBR) That is a tough one since I'm going to apply my vision of how I want to build my army, I probably want 15 Kavalos with spears and at least have 20 total. So I could magnetise 5 of them and run 1 unit with swords and 1 with spears in a list like yours and chose targets with them - swords against better saves, spears against bigger numbers. Or I could magnetise 10 and run 2 units with spears and charge with them one unit at a time, at full strenght with all buffs. Than once they start taking casualties - use the unit with most models to recive buffs and the 2nd one to charge weaker targets. Another possible way is to go ham on spears and bring a unit of 15 with them, saving some points and a unit of 5 with swords that will go on it's own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophe Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 7 hours ago, firtahl said: From a numbers perspective, spears are better than swords when fighting in 3 rows. In 10 man squads, you'll rarely if ever be fighting 3 deep, so when taking MSU, swords are optimal. However, if the only rule you care about is the rule of cool then follow your heart on which weapon to model. I for one think spears look way the best. I love the spears look on the guards but find them akward on the riders. No dynamism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophe Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Arcian said: I'll join in on the scheme posts Test scheme for mine Blue glow blue armor could be the problem, maybe something more greenish or purple ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcian Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, christophe said: Blue glow blue armor could be the problem, maybe something more greenish or purple ? I have been slightly concerned it could potentially be too much blue, yeah Edit: I tried a different way of doing the glow and it seems to pop a bit more now, so im a bit happier! Edited November 7, 2019 by Arcian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropical Ghost General Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Apologies if this has already been asked, lots of comments to have to read through on this thread. So the harvesters ability to resurrect models. Can it only bring back single wound models in most cases? The ability triggers on a 4+ when a model dies. 1-4 wounds is a single wound. So is it useless for bringing back Stalkers? Also, is there any way to bring back slain Stalkers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XReN Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, Tropical Ghost General said: Also, is there any way to bring back slain Stalkers? Volkmortian's battalion and by killing 10+ wound models near Harvesters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souleater Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 What if ten one wound models were slain, and you passed, say, six of the rolls - could you then bring back a Morghast? The rule does seem written to allow that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XReN Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Souleater said: What if ten one wound models were slain, and you passed, say, six of the rolls - could you then bring back a Morghast? The rule does seem written to allow that. No, it doesn't work like that. Each time you roll - it's a separate roll and you check what model you can ressurect for each separate roll. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souleater Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Okay. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scurvydog Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 11 hours ago, GDD said: Hello people, I've got a couple of questions I'd like to hear your opinions on. First off, is it viable to not run any healing in an Ossiarch list at all? I don't like to run special characters, and I'm not too keen on the Boneshaper or Harvester. Can't we make up for not having any healing with all the other great stuff in OBR? Do we really need it? Second off, what do you think about swords vs spears for Kavalos in the battalion? I was planning on running two units of 10 with spears in Petrifex, and then have "Empower Nadirite Weapons" on a Soulmason. That sounds like it could be worth it in the battalion, but the swords would also be oh-so-good in Petrifex. Appreciate your thoughts. I think it is absolutely viable to run without healing, it is not a core part of the reapers at all like it is with LoN. It is more like a happy coincidence and after effect than something to build for I think. If you want to focus on healing however Arkhan is your guy, the 6" range on the boneshaper is somewhat limited but nice to have. Harvesters should be brought for doing damage and then healing, it is a 200 point monster and needs to be bringing the pain to be worth it. As for spears vs swords, swords are stronger in the most situations by far, and as petrifex getting them to rend 2 on an important charge makes them even more reliable. Especially for the riders, even in a unit of 10 you can get +3" pile in too, so getting them all into range is even easier and the swords still do more damage than spears even on the charge. For Mortek MU is 100% swords. For 20 it is a bit so so, from what I can see spears are only ahead in a 20 man unit when nearly all can fight and even then, as soon as you begin losing a couple of guys swords will just rise in value. If I ever run 30-40 man blobs then yea spears for sure, but I don't really see myself doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracan Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, XReN said: Volkmortian's battalion and by killing 10+ wound models near Harvesters I didnt get feast of bones, do you maybe know what the rules , requirements and points are for the Volkmortian batalion? Edited November 7, 2019 by Dracan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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