Tonhel Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 9 hours ago, MitGas said: Not a shabby start for some Tzeentch bits/minis. By Lost Kingdom Miniatures. I would‘ve preferred some more pants but I might get some… I love the LKM Chaos mini's. I subscribed from the moment they said that they would do Chaos. Hopefully they will keep going with it for years! So much stuff still to do. Here is a printed Chaos warrior from the december 2023 release. The pic is a bit out of focus, when I start my painting log, the pictures will be much better. The warrior is detailed and looks perfect together with the GW one. I printed him at scale 100%. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosskelot Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Isn't there already an Avatar of the Rat God? Also the last thing I thought Skaven would need is more big centrepieces. But then AOS does love doing those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntMan Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gitzdee said: Gods dont have to "earn" god status, they just are. Gorkamorka and the Chaos gods feel like these mighty entities with almost limitless power. In AoS lore are the Chaos gods dependent on the emotions, prayers, beliefs of mortals in the same way as in 40k? Edited January 7 by EntMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Arthur Hotep Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 8 hours ago, ERHanmer said: I'm a LONG time lurker and first time poster. With all the talk about BoC being squatted, we do know Kragnos is looking for any clues to remnants of his people. Is it possible BoC might join him? Or he fills their role while the BoC faction is splintered off across the chaos factions? I'm so hopeful for Malerion. I've been waiting since 2016... People wanted Kragnos to be a BoC model from the start. He is a big centaur monster after all. But GW's plan for him really seems to be that he is the god character of GA: Destruction. BoC are very firmly a chaos faction, so I think chances are slim that they and Kragnos get together in the future. BTW, I don't believe the Beasts of Chaos squatting rumours. Most they will get is a redesign, name change and resin model purge. Like Legions of Nagash did. Or Cities or FEC (without the name change). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikout Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 hour ago, Whitefang back me up said: We’ll we’ll we’ll who’s laughing now. Expect this message again in June. “Will post more when I’m able.” What does that mean? We’re all eager to learn more. Are the new Skaven eshin focused, pestilens focused or a bit of everything? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikout Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, Whitefang back me up said: Edited January 7 by Chikout Oh no! The dreaded double post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captaniser Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 hour ago, Whitefang back me up said: We’ll we’ll we’ll who’s laughing now. Expect this message again in June. Still not sure about the whole 'Avatar of the rat god' unit. Isn't that just Verminlords and Skreech? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lost Sigmarite Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Just wanted to share an opinion with you guys. Chaos Dwarfs are coming back ! Yoohoo ! But they're for 4th, and we're currently in the buildup to it, we'll have to wait till summer for it. And then, the leaunch is SCE vs Skaven. And when you look at editions of AoS/40k, they don't usually release a massive wave of minis right after the launch, they usually wait. A bit like how we waited 8-10 months after the launch of 3rd for a substantial AoS release (Nighthaunt and Sylvaneth), and how 40k players wait 7 months for the next "big" release after Marines/Tyranids (Dark Angels/Kroots). So could we get Chorfs in the end of the year ? Probably not to me. However in 2025... being the 10 year anniversary of AoS... the return of Chorfs would be one hell of a way to celebrate, right ? 😉 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Kim Woof-Woof Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 4 minutes ago, Captaniser said: Still not sure about the whole 'Avatar of the rat god' unit. Isn't that just Verminlords and Skreech? Indeed. I struggle to picture what an 'Avatar of the Rat God' would be like apart from a puffed-up Verminlord. I hope they've got something more imaginative than that coming! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lost Sigmarite Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 minutes ago, Big Kim Woof-Woof said: Indeed. I struggle to picture what an 'Avatar of the Rat God' would be like apart from a puffed-up Verminlord. I hope they've got something more imaginative than that coming! Verminlords are Greater Demons of the Horned Rat, so same tier as Bloodthirsters/Lords of Change etc. A true Avatar of the Horned Rat would be on a different power level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Kim Woof-Woof Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 minutes ago, The Lost Sigmarite said: Verminlords are Greater Demons of the Horned Rat, so same tier as Bloodthirsters/Lords of Change etc. A true Avatar of the Horned Rat would be on a different power level. Well, quite. But I find it hard to visualise what that'd actually look like. Same as I'd struggle to imagine what an Avatar of Khorne would look like that wasn't a puffed-up Bloodthirster. Luckily they employ more creative people than me at GW! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandlemad Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 10 minutes ago, The Lost Sigmarite said: Verminlords are Greater Demons of the Horned Rat, so same tier as Bloodthirsters/Lords of Change etc. A true Avatar of the Horned Rat would be on a different power level. Not necessarily. In WHFB Valten was avatar of Sigmar and he was powerful but human sized. Not saying there’s any metaphysical continuity about this sort of thing but an avatar of the horned rat could well be something more… nascent than a verminlord. Smaller, more like a prophet or living saint. Even if we think of 40k, the avatar of Ynnead is way smaller than that of Khainite. tbh something absolutely huge would also be out of character for an edition starter set. You have big minis like the screamer-killer in Leviathan but can’t think of anything greater daemon size or larger. Those tend to get separate releases, like the stormcast dragons or the tyranid norn-beasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tora Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Maybe not an avatar but the rat god himself? We have nagash, alarielle etc. Why not the god of skaven? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) 9 hours ago, ERHanmer said: I'm a LONG time lurker and first time poster. With all the talk about BoC being squatted, we do know Kragnos is looking for any clues to remnants of his people. Is it possible BoC might join him? Or he fills their role while the BoC faction is splintered off across the chaos factions? I'm so hopeful for Malerion. I've been waiting since 2016... Wow that's a nice shot and didn't consider it. What about BoC being replaced with Kragnos and his boys? It is a pretty solid guess imo. Edited January 7 by Ejecutor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrac Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) I already posted on the skaven subforum what a skaven rerange may look like some years ago, but it seems like it doesnt´exist anymore, so a brief review unit by unit, with my speculated chances on getting an update or not (or getting squated) This doesnt mean Im beginning to relunctantly believe the rumours, but i know some guys may be lost on the matter: First of all: I allways read some guys from 40k telling me the state of the skavens is not that bad since eldars stil have warp riders, so let me explain the problem with the skaven range on 40k terms: imagine your army has catachans. But some years after that, a big chunk of the army is updated to modern terms. Problem is, there are still catachans, but the catachans dont aesthetically fit anymore with the rest of the range, like, in very wild terms. The catachans are not only dated, but are hard to be kitbashed with the rest of the army, you can't use their ****** because it doesnt even come in correct proportions or even the hands look alien in other bodies. ... so, yes, skavens are catachans, yes. Now, on the range itself (I'll post this again on the skaven subforum): -Verminlords. Nah, too young. I must note however that Ive read the "avatar of the verminlord" rumours, and I tell you that verminlords aren't technically avatar of the Horned Rat, but rats put together with celofan. They're demons only in the most strict sense, don't know the will of their god, and make schemes of their own, as this amuses very much their god 100/0%. -Clanrats/stormvermin. Well, skavens are keeping their name in both TOW and AoS, so I imagine all the waves they received in 7th and 8th eds of Fantasy will keep being the same without any updates. Still cool minis tho. If GW were to change them, then skavens would have been able to change their names in TOW to allow them having support there, since updating all the 2010-11 minis would mean a very substantial rerange. Alltho, with stormvermins I have my doubt because GW is clearly trying to end their stock, but that can be form any reasons. Nah of 80/20% -Assasin. Nah, 90/10% of not getting a new mini -Bombardier. The other AoS miniature, nah 100/0% -Warpfire thrower. Changing the stat because this guy is getting ******, yes: either an update, or its going to disappear. Im going to opt for the latter since the IoB swordmasterss have been shown on TOW rulebook: that sprue is mixed with the new flamethrower IoB got. Would be weird for GW to make the model again. It may get squatted in AoS, or included in a weapon team kit (more on that later) 60/40% -Screaming bell/Plague furnace. Seb rules, keeps existing, 100/0% -Plague censer bearers. GW hates resin now, it's safe to say these should get an update, 85/15% -Plague priest. The mini is from 1994, and Pestilens still needs a cheap foot leader. Update, 100/0% -Plague monks. The most contentious unit here for an update, and the only case where Im not certain of what GW might do. They do need an update, since the minis are from 2005, and are kinda dated to this point. But the new skabik warband is made to aesthetically fit with these guys. I dunno, it may get an update, it depends on how big are the plans of GW, 50/50% -Warlock engineers. Comes from 2001, also dated. Either it gets an update, or is squatted in favour of the bombardier. I think tho that this character is due for a radical reconception so the bombardier keeps his own niche. Update vs squatting, 80/20% -Clawlord/grey seer, come from the End times wave, too new, nah of 95/5% -Stormfiends/Thanquol. Definetely nah, 100/0% -master Moulder/Arch-Warlock. Don't need an update very badly, but theyre resin minis, and GW is trying to keep their main games resin-free. More on master moulder later, and engineers have already been explained. Update of 100/0% -Packmasters and Rat ogres. Definetely need an update, but here's the thing: GW nowadays hates combined untis on the same kit. But the rat ogre/packmasters duo is pretty iconic. My very personal bet? They come separate, but packmasters/master moulders come with such juicy rules woud want to field them even if there aren't any more moulder beasts. Alltho, packmasters/master moulders will come with a very rad reconceptualization. For rat ogres, they do need an update, and Ive already explained why GW won't use the IoB minis for AoS. Update 89/11% -Rat swarms. Oh, my, youre totally out of the game, yes 100/0% -Jezzails. Pretty iconic, resin, update, 100% -Doom flayer/warpgrinder/ratling gun. I mean, a generic weapon team kit is still a possibility, and the only one if GW wants to recover all of them, as a unique kit for each weapon team could be a nightmare to plan for an already too big rerange. Many alternative companies have shown it's possible. Update for all or for none, 85/15% -Giant rats. Update or squatting? Good question. Who knows, i dunno, 30/70% -Gutter runners/night runners. Update, 100/0%, please GW kill the ninja monkeys -Skyrre acolytes. Update or it gets squatted, 30/70% -Hell pit abo. All praise Seb Perbet superiority, nah of 100/0% -Artillery/grievouswheel. Nah, 100/0% And that's it. If taken everything at 50% or above, that would leave a rerange with a minimum of 8 new plastic kits, and that's whitout including all possible new miniatures, or whitout taking into account all the dual kits. It's safe to asume a starter box with skavens as the enemy would include Pestilens. Why? Because Pestilens is a very safe bet: you use the starter box to update the priest, the plague monks and the censer bearers on monopose models. Then include perhaps one or two new hero/monsters and that's it. Why not Skyrre, Moulder, or Eshin on the starter box? Because Skyrre and Moulder badly need dual kits for most of these updates, and that's something you can't do on a starter box. There's the possibility of getting the monoopose unit on a starter box and doing multipose later on the battletome launch, as was the case of the termagants. But Skyrre and Moulder do badly need too many multipose kits to think on that. Eshin is a more complicate matter, and Id say it has equal chances of getting in a starter box as the ones for Pestilens. But a starter box needs a centrepice for each faction, and its harder to justify one for Eshin. Plus, they already have their main generic leader on a plastic kit, would be weird to see it again on a starter box, or to see it getting renewed again. I mean, Eshin can get a new leader type, but the assasin is too iconic. And well, that's it. Im no model expert, but Im so sure about all of this that I presume GW is facing the same issues with the range. If it does care about it at all. So, if GW is reaaaaaaally planing a rerange, I only ask for one thing: let either Seb Perbet or Jess Goodwin lead the project. They know how to make humanoid rats cool af. Please GW? Edited January 7 by Garrac 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, Whitefang back me up said: We’ll we’ll we’ll who’s laughing now. Expect this message again in June. lol, lmao 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lost Sigmarite Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) Please not the "BoC are gonna get squatted" debate again... Besides, Kragnos is uncorrupted by Chaos, unlike the Beastmen. I still stand on the hill that the 40k Fellgor Beastmen Kill Team is the harbinger of new BoC sculpts. Else why would they have created the files for Beastmen in their mini-making databank ? Edited January 7 by The Lost Sigmarite 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang back me up Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 59 minutes ago, Chikout said: “Will post more when I’m able.” What does that mean? We’re all eager to learn more. Are the new Skaven eshin focused, pestilens focused or a bit of everything? Amazing stuff but similar to the new 40k release: lots of updated models that need redoing on both sides and small amounts of brand new units. Skaven units are a bit of everything and the release is not a Clan specific one. 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Btw, about preorders announced for today, what if they just launch the unreleased yet TOW stuff? This could be one option that we didn't consider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: Btw, about preorders announced for today, what if they just launch the unreleased yet TOW stuff? This could be one option that we didn't consider. I hope not, I assume every TOWs fan wallet need a rest. I would prefer that they wait a couple of weeks with the second wave of Brets and first see that the rulebook and all the new Bret mini's of yesterday preorder are back in stock. I queued for more than a hour and when I finally was in everything was already sold out. Ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrindur Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: Btw, about preorders announced for today, what if they just launch the unreleased yet TOW stuff? This could be one option that we didn't consider. Unlikely since there are three more preorder Saturdays in January and three more releases we either already know or can be very sure to be in January which are the Dark Angels army set, Dawnbringers 4 with FEC and Legions Imperialis. Legions Imperialis was called "available to pre-order later this month" instead of something like "very soon" on Thursday so I wouldn't expect it just yet, probably last on the 27th. After we just had TOW I also wouldn't expect another "Fantasy" preorder with the AoS stuff so likely Dark Angels next on the 13th. With Dawnbringers 4/FEC following on the 20th and LI on the 27th Edited January 7 by Matrindur 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luperci Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, The Lost Sigmarite said: Verminlords are Greater Demons of the Horned Rat, so same tier as Bloodthirsters/Lords of Change etc. A true Avatar of the Horned Rat would be on a different power level. Skaven daemon prince maybe? Can skaven ascend to daemonhood?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 About the whitefang wanna-be rumour, it is just playing the safe bet card. We all know Stormcast and Rats are coming. We all know that Ionus is doing something with the Stormcast veterans as they are suffering. We know that rats need to be renewed and that chorfs and/or malerion and/or tyrion are coming. That way I can also make leaks. If I get right a 60% of it, as it is clearly happening sooner or later, I just can say my source was not right about the rest... 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lele Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 hours ago, Whitefang back me up said: We’ll we’ll we’ll who’s laughing now. Expect this message again in June. Dawnvreaver is troll name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lele Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 hours ago, Whitefang back me up said: We’ll we’ll we’ll who’s laughing now. Expect this message again in June. Dawnvreaver is troll name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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