The Rumour Thread

[Ogregut]

Loving this speed train we're on! 

Plus Old World news next week. 

Bring it on!!! 

[Overread]

Praise Slaanesh! 

[EntMan]

5 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:

Khorne and Slaanesh next week already.

"Next week on Warhammer Community, there will be plenty of coverage on the forces of Khorne and Slaanesh to help you decide whether you prefer slaughtering excessively or exquisitely, plus exciting new reveals and news from The Old World. "

Is that 'new reveals' and (separately) 'news from the Old World '?

Or is it Old World reveals?

[Arzalyn]

1 minute ago, EntMan said:

Is that 'new reveals' and (separately) 'news from the Old World '?

It is the reveal of a new map!

[The Lost Sigmarite]

Just now, EntMan said:

Is that 'new reveals' and (separately) 'news from the Old World '?

Or is it Old World reveals?

That's both for me. We're gonna get an Old World article next week, alongside the standard Necromunday and Heresy Thursday previews.

[JerekKruger]

Slaanesh and Khorne up for pre-order next weekend!

I am so hyped!

[Ogregut]

7 battletomes in the first 12 weeks of the year, that's more than some whole editions of warhammer fantasy got! 

Guess this means adpetacon will defo show the 2 death battletomes which at this rate will be out by the middle of April lol. 

[DinoJon]

Would be nice if they talk about the bases for the Old World. I know there's been a lot of discussion lately if the square bases are getting larger to accommodate the growing size of GW's scale. 

I'm hoping that we will see a Seraphon reveal but I think people are correct in the fact that the rest will wait until Adepticon, which can't come soon enough. 

At this rate we might see the whole Seraphon release in May. *fingers crossed*

Edited March 12, 2023 by DinoJon
hopium

[Black_Templar_Lad]

LETS GOOOOOOOO

[Gitzdee]

Cant wait to be done with all the tome releases and see what narrative campaign they have in store for this edition and all the awesome models that go along with it.

[Baron Klatz]

3 hours ago, DinoJon said:

Was this from my post? I seem to remember recounting the Grotbags..

Haha, yes indeed! A good source is always a good place to grab info from!  

12 hours ago, Gitzdee said:

@Baron Klatz nice summary.

But since we are talking tga classics anyway. How about Kurnothi? Did they get mentioned in some of the newer tomes like funny hat Duardin, Malerion and Grotbag/ Gitmob?

Nothing much yet, as has been said the biggest new Kurnothi news is from the Sylvaneth tome.

Apparently how they came to be is the few loyal Ghyran aelves that didn’t run to Azyr were given sanctuary in the Kurnotheal Isles where they can live in peace while the god-infused magics of that land transform them into Kurnoth’s favorite prey animals thus why they’re beast-hybrids like satyrs & centaurs.

The Kurnothi from Cursed City is a special case as she’s from a Sylvaneth pocket dimension, so was spared mutation island) that was invaded and decimated by the Vyrkos vampires so it remains to be seen if her more Aelven form is a specialist one-off.

As is they do have enough stuff for an faction if they do come about.

Majority being Beast-aelves with satyrs, centaurs with possible harpies like the Dove Maidens of Neos and other prey turned hunters, lots of beast packs like their sword-tailed lions, mix of heroes with an avatar of Kurnoth, some rare “normal” Kurnothi heroes from the pocket dimension remnants and even Kurnothi humans that have appeared in the lore and taken up his worship and the hunt.

It’d probably step on the Beasts of Chaos’ hooves with Kurnothi being the Order version of Beastmen but it’s not like other armies haven’t already been doing that in spades.

However Kurnothi could wind up also part Fyreslayer since they can channel the power of their fallen god into power-ups or even magic musicians for ranged attacks which could be a good way to boost their army with their own hunter rune powers that can be activated once you hit your designated targets(a predator mechanic or the like)

And they can boost Rallies

Last part is a  upgrade but too cool to leave out pega-centaurs.(who knows tho, could be a possible unit anyway or Kurnoth power-up to turn them into flying units)

 

12 hours ago, Gitzdee said:

Edit: Glareface Frazzlegitz are also heavily mentioned recently. Could see Gitmob and Grotbag sharing a tome. The Gloomspite tome tells us that the Snarlfang Riders(Gitmob) have a temporary alliance with Gloomspite.

Yeah something’s up there with how often that “temporary” comes up. They keep mentioning it on the articles, lore and even store description. I could see a future split for the Grot factions that don’t dwell underground but rather in the sunlight and aether above.

12 hours ago, RileyArlic said:

as teasers into potential 'seeds' that could eventually be grown into brand new factions... or abandoned just as easily. I know I'm missing a dozen, what others can you guys think of? 

You got the best ones.

more fringe mentions are:

Rootking Duardin that got recalled in the Sylvaneth tome.

the Wraith Fleet that haunts the seas and skies of Aqshy battling both Privateer sea fleets & Kharadron air fleets.

Honorable mention to the hero ghost armies of Hallost in Shyish that protect the innocent from chaos and now aid the Dawncrusaders.

the Void-entities that lurk between the realms and were talked about again in a White Dwarf about the cosmos arcane a few months ago.

Cogmen of Chamon that were an abandoned project by Grungni and had to fend for themselves.(could show up with the Gholemkin)

 Valay as the Deepkin version of duardin with the bottom-half being squid tentacles instead of legs who forge Realmstone from the sea floors and play deadly word games.

Aetar eagle warriors of Ghur who live in the highest peaks. They’re giant eagles but are fully sentient, have hierarchies of royalty and wear armor & jewelry.

The Sanskrit empire around the Bone Sea which are vicious lizard warriors wearing leather armor and have notable spikes that protrude from the middle knuckle of their hands.

And a few other things like Oceanclan Orruks of Ghyran that live on the sea floors with the depth pressure driving them into berserker rages and the element creatures the recent life-flood has unleashed across the realms which has lead to interesting circumstances like “the Living Lands” in Ghur where people have found roused spirits they can commune with and build bodies for very similar to the ones the Lumineth have. 
 

Also there’s something lurking in the Gnarlwoods themselves all three games have been hinting at so that’s up to speculation.

My last note on this is even the small mentions can matter in the end so shouldn’t always be brushed off as lore filler.

2015 AoS starter book had one mention of “Steamhead Duardin” that became the Kharadron in 2017. The 2018 NightHaunt were name-dropped in the 2016 Beastclaw Raiders tome(on top of being summoned by a  necromancer in a soul boat which could tie into our Elden Ring looking boi) and it was the Legions of Nagash tome that dropped hints about souls mysteriously disappearing to a much angered Nagash that several months later was revealed as the Deepkin eating them with their release.

10 hours ago, Ogregut said:

The thing is grotbag scuttlers already exist and even just got a new battletome. 

The descriptions you've put are blueprints to converted a Kharadron army into one of flying grot pirates. 

People have already done it and I'm sure more will come. 

Its not to say we'll never see a official release but I feel its more a inspirational thing than indicator of things to come. 

I mean that’s a good point but the fact that it’d be giving mass flying units and gunpowder to Destruction would be the game changer and how they could handle allies, mercs & coalitions to keep shaking things up.

Personally wouldn’t mind every Grand Alliance getting their own airship faction. Kharadron, Wraith fleet, Grotbags and either Clans Skryre with that blimp fleet that wrecked Tempest Eye or Chaos Duardin going chaos mirror-match with Kharadron.

Each with their own specialities, rules flavors and how they interact with their allies(like Grotbags aren’t restricted to let anyone onto their ships but have a really light carry weight while Chaos allies take an active penalty for using Skryre/Chuardin as the warp/daemon-engine energies make them much more vulnerable upon disembarking)

2 hours ago, The Lost Sigmarite said:

About potential "seeds" for future releases, and before we go out on Terminators vs Tyranids in 40k. Just saw this montage on my AoS FB group. I wish this was real and official, how cool would it be !

That’s cool! Fingers crossed for whatever event starts AoS4 to give the Beasts another big shot in the Era of the Beast! 🤞 

Edited March 12, 2023 by Baron Klatz

[EntMan]

35 minutes ago, Baron Klatz said:

However Kurnothi could wind up also part Fyreslayer since they can channel the power of their fallen god into power-ups or even magic musicians for ranged attacks which could be a good way to boost their army with their own hunter rune powers that can be activated once you hit your designated targets(a predator mechanic or the like)

A Kurnothi and Fireslayer joint faction would be AWESOME!

[The Lost Sigmarite]

33 minutes ago, Baron Klatz said:

Rootking Duardin that got recalled in the Sylvaneth tome.

That would be nice to see as "auxiliaries" for the Sylvaneth ! Next to Kurnothi elves and Sylvaneth tree spirits. Alarielle welcomes all her children after all ! Kurnothi would be pretty top of the list too. I would like to see some that look like the Cursed City hero, like upgraded WFB Wood Elves with a touch of AoS originality, and the satyrs and centaurs like the Underworlds band.

 

36 minutes ago, Baron Klatz said:

Aetar eagle warriors of Ghur who live in the highest peaks. They’re giant eagles but are fully sentient, have hierarchies of royalty and wear armor & jewelry.

If I were to bring Aetar to the game I would make a customisable kit available to some Order factions. A bit like Gotrek, but with more modelling options. 

40 minutes ago, Baron Klatz said:

the Wraith Fleet that haunts the seas and skies of Aqshy battling both Privateer sea fleets & Kharadron air fleets.

The return of the Vampire Coast in AoS ? Hell yeah ! I'm ready for their coming, aye-aye captain' ! ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY, HE'S ARISING FROM THE DEEP ! 

[Ogregut]

Looking at the releases since the beginning of the year it has seemed to alternate 40k one week, AoS the next.

With the khorne and slannesh stuff announced we are back to having nothing in the pipeline for AoS, Underworlds, Warcry or bloodbowl even (other than forge world star players).

So my thinking is, could the next AoS release after khorne and slannesh be a Lizardmen army launch box set. 

That would take us into April, where the death tomes will be released I'm now guessing and will probably round out April, which leads into May with the new warcry and Underworld sets. 

[Praecautus]

Will be interesting to see what they do re khorgorath, khorgus Khul, bloodstoker and bloodswcrator as I assume the goreblade war and box is being replaced with the vanguard box.

[KingBrodd]

1 hour ago, Gitzdee said:

Cant wait to be done with all the tome releases and see what narrative campaign they have in store for this edition and all the awesome models that go along with it.

Beasts of Chaos Tome has so many hints to the Beasts rising and something happening that I believe it was their Edition all along. Narratively leading us into 4.0 with Skaven in the starter with a range refresh for Skaven and BOC later in the Edition!!

[The Lost Sigmarite]

3 minutes ago, KingBrodd said:

Beasts of Chaos Tome has so many hints to the Beasts rising and something happening that I believe it was their Edition all along. Narratively leading us into 4.0 with Skaven in the starter with a range refresh for Skaven and BOC later in the Edition!!

Remember, we still have likely about 18 months before this edition ends. This is still a big amount of time to release new exciting things. Also, GW tends to drop all the interesting releases in the later half of the editions of their main games. For example, the vast majority of the big 40k releases for 9th have been in the last ~18 months : Orks, Black Templar, Craftworlds, Chaos, the return of the frickin' Squats as the Leagues of Votann, Imperial Guard, World Eaters... so I say we have some time to get excited for proper army releases. Like, at the end of our 2nd Ed, we had the SoB, Slaanesh, 2 waves of Lumineths, and Gravelords right before the new edition dropped.

I'd say we're starting to enter that territory now. We have had StD this year, we're going to have Seraphon, FEC are rumoured to be next and there's the Cities of Sigmar around the corner. Of course we're not going to have as much as 40k because that's their n°1 game at the end of the day. But that doesn't mean we can't get a "respectable" amount of releases. And that's before factoring in backwards-compatibility with TOW for even more material. 

[DinoJon]

I'm hoping the narrative campaign post all Battletomes being updated wraps up the story in Ghur and really pushes the idea of the "Era of the Beast" with either a new army, more incarnates or neutral monsters. I'm cool with them using the narrative campaign to set up the next edition normally but this edition feels so light in the conflict currently going on in the realms as opposed to the Soul Wars or the Realmgate Wars. 

Reading through this editions books most of the narrative concerns the coming of Kragnos and the siege of Excelsis or it has to do with some other conflict not necessarily tied to Allarielle's Rite of Life or even Ghur. 

In the past 8(?) months I have read Dominion, Kragnos: Avatar of Destruction, Arkanaut's Oath, Gloomspite, The Hollow King, Scourge of Fate, Soulslayer, Godeater's Son, Hammers of Sigmar and now working on Bad Loon Rising. So far besides the first two on the list don't really concern themselves with this era besides mentioning.

Hammers of Sigmar does say they are in the Era of the Beast and reference Anvilgard as lost to Morathi. The book however is concernred with a fight with Khorne and nothing necessarily beastial is talked about. It does set up the ever-looming threat of Korgas Khul returning. 

Long story short, I was really hoping for something special this edition like how we got Endless Spells and the focus on the Death Grand Alliance through 2nd. I'm just gonna hold out and say GW was holding everythign in reserve due to production issues/timing as a result of the impact of COVID. 

[Fellman]

lotts of cool things like "hetrad of sorcery: ignor spell" and blood points

[RileyArlic]

24 minutes ago, DinoJon said:

I'm hoping the narrative campaign post all Battletomes being updated wraps up the story in Ghur and really pushes the idea of the "Era of the Beast" with either a new army, more incarnates or neutral monsters. I'm cool with them using the narrative campaign to set up the next edition normally but this edition feels so light in the conflict currently going on in the realms as opposed to the Soul Wars or the Realmgate Wars. 

Reading through this editions books most of the narrative concerns the coming of Kragnos and the siege of Excelsis or it has to do with some other conflict not necessarily tied to Allarielle's Rite of Life or even Ghur. 

In the past 8(?) months I have read Dominion, Kragnos: Avatar of Destruction, Arkanaut's Oath, Gloomspite, The Hollow King, Scourge of Fate, Soulslayer, Godeater's Son, Hammers of Sigmar and now working on Bad Loon Rising. So far besides the first two on the list don't really concern themselves with this era besides mentioning.

Hammers of Sigmar does say they are in the Era of the Beast and reference Anvilgard as lost to Morathi. The book however is concernred with a fight with Khorne and nothing necessarily beastial is talked about. It does set up the ever-looming threat of Korgas Khul returning. 

Long story short, I was really hoping for something special this edition like how we got Endless Spells and the focus on the Death Grand Alliance through 2nd. I'm just gonna hold out and say GW was holding everythign in reserve due to production issues/timing as a result of the impact of COVID. 

I agree. My concern is that covid really shafted AoS 3rd edition. We already see evidence of that across the release schedule.

The question is: how far back has the story been pushed? There's evidence that the events with Vashtorr and co should have actually been released 6 months to a year ago, and we could have seen a very different 'arks of omen' campaign to wrap up 9th. 

That in mind, how far will they go with the wrap-up of 3rd edition? It wasn't until the end of 2nd edition that Broken Realms unleashed Kragnos and Morathi became a Goddess, so a lot can happen in those end-of-cycle campaigns that feel a lot more 'earth shattering', so if a lot of what we see across this edition is simply 'setting the stage', then big things could be coming soon.

To some of the points above, GW definitely hint at things early. They look 5+ years out for designing and releasing new factions and models, so that gives white dwarf, campaign book, and codex writers a lot of time to tease things. They are also known for dropping hints for things that are made to inspire conversion ideas for hobbyists.

Want some Rootking Dwarves? Why not take some Fyreslayers and some green stuff and make them look like their legs are stumps and roots of trees? Use a beast other than a Magmadroth for the leaders? There's lots you can do, and a lot of White Dwarf articles show how wonderful people's creativity is. 

[Gitzdee]

They are really pushing the Gnarlwood theme imho. Would be great if Morghur kicks off the narrative campaign. Maybe the end of this season is a clash between BoC and the forces of Destruction. That would be awesome.

I am a bit sad they arent really investing in Kurnothi. Its the faction i wanted to see most since they deleted the Wood Elves. Maybe the succes of Qulathis sparked something at GW like Rippas warband did.

[EonChao]

I mean there's room for another army to be introduced or a faction to get a decent update during the end of edition campaign books. Remember Ad Mech got an update during the Psychic Awakening, Hedonites of Slaanesh got an update alongside Broken Realms, and now World Eaters have gotten released during Arks of Omen. We know that we should have Ossiarchs and Soul-Blight by Summer and then there's a whole half of the year to just fit Flesh-Eater Courts and Cities of Sigmar in. So I'd guess that at worst case we probably still have one decent sized release to come early next year.

[Captaniser]

Regarding the Gholems and their addition to AoS.

 

I believe that the greatest hint towards them being an actual army/unit is that their name contains a classic AoS name misspelling.

 

[EntMan]

51 minutes ago, Gitzdee said:

Maybe the end of this season is a clash between BoC and the forces of Destruction. That would be awesome.

@KingBrodd would be so conflicted by this! His loyalties would be sorely tested!

But yeah, it'd be a great narrative, I bet the Goats could give the greenskins and friends a schooling in wrecking stuff.

 

[Kaleb Daark]

2 hours ago, Praecautus said:

Will be interesting to see what they do re khorgorath, khorgus Khul, bloodstoker and bloodswcrator as I assume the goreblade war and box is being replaced with the vanguard box.

They actually did have a separate multi part khorgorath kit done years ago as far back ad aos 1.  This might be the chance to release it.

khornegors would also be very cool, but as we know, what we want and what we get will be very different..

I’m only going to ask for one thing… oh dear god please don’t give me yet another bunch of marauders in party frocks… sorry cultists,  or a plastic valkia unless shes been exalted big modeldom like sigvald was, and in so doing make her influence khornewide as opposed to being a nanny for said marauders in party frocks.

As an utter khornehead I’m justifiably nervous  about the release.

As for Khul, the secrator and mr whippy, separates are fine by me, or alternatively a rethink on those models would be welcome in so far as the original ones can become the unique bloodbound characters that they started out as.

however everything I’ve said you can ignore as i like my khorne very hitty and very scary- given their sheer size and power I’d not be giving them a conditional to getting a charge off attack, id be making them one of thise armies that you pray you can thin them out enough before they hit you as that hit is always going hurt… alot.

my khorne aren’t bloodthirsty loons, they’re martial, accurate, mercilessly efficient sledgehammer hard rapier accurate murderers.

I’d not give them allies as anyone with a brain would never ally with them as they know that they’d be next after the battle was over, but I’d make them one of the only armies that could kill its own units in order to gain advantage if it wanted to.

anyway… I’ll clam up and stop gassing and dust off my brushes and painting thread, as however dissatisfying the book may be, they’re ma boys.

 

oh and lord on dragon… please…. Pretty please…

Edited March 12, 2023 by Kaleb Daark