MikeGreen Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 From best to worst, or with school grades or whatever you like I am interested in how powerful they are. *I'm reposting this from "new member area" because it suits better here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkiham Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 As a new person to AoS I'd advise you to pick an army which suits your playstyle rather than "best " army. I don't think the sorter boxes are balanced point wise though if that's your intention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 The power level isn't really an important factor, since they are not supposed to be balanced against each other. It's just a collection of models that help you get started with a faction. Some of the boxes are very powerful on the table (Flesheater Courts) while others are very weak on the table (Khorne Bloodbound) but that is just based on the contents of the box and is not indicative of how the whole faction plays or performs. In terms of value I would say the Seraphon box is the best since the box is the same price as the Carnosaur itself, so you're essentially getting 20 infantry models for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 11 minutes ago, PJetski said: In terms of value I would say the Seraphon box is the best since the box is the same price as the Carnosaur itself, so you're essentially getting 20 infantry models for free. The same could be said of the Skeleton Horde box, which is $5 more expensive than a mortarch for five cavalry and ten infantry. I agree that rating the boxes is kind of a weird project. What's the point? They aren't meant to be balanced against each other - they're meant to be a place to begin collecting an army from. They're designed to appeal, not to play. There's also the question of the battalions they contain. Some of those are much better than others, while some are completely worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeGreen Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 Back in wfb times there were no problems to rate battalions. Like do not buy beastmen. It seems that you save a lot of money but it contains very poor units. Easy and Helpful as that. The problem is we want to play them. My buddy has nurgle and generic chaos Starting boxes. I also intend to buy one or two, and not necessarily expand them. Just maybe. So we have sth - khorne bloodhound get the last place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N_Watson Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Ironjawz is good value as well. Gore gruntas cost £48 on their own. You get 10 ardboys and a watchmaker for free. It is also quite a strong formation that you get and some of the nicest AOS models out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeGreen Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 Finally, slowly our ultimate list materialises (it can be useful for all new players!) 1.Flesh eater courts 2. Ironjawz 11. Khorne bloodbound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhaosZand3r Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Slave to Darkness box is solid. I'd have to agree that the Seraphon box is probably the best deal, followed by the Nurgle daemon box. Unfortunately, the included unique warscroll battalions don't have points values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith01 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I doubt many of us have bought them all. I know I'm getting the ones the complement the starter box with Stormcast Eternals, Khorne Bloodbound and Demons of Khorne. I also plan of expanding into an Everchosen army so Slaves to Darkness and Nurgle also appeal to me. The 3 Death boxes would be next on my list because they look cool. All that said I think you'd appreciate this link: http://twoplustough.com/start-collecting/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Misfire Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Good to see another hardcore gamer. Here are my tiers 1) Khorne Daemons - can be used for 40k, which is a proper game 2) Nurgle Daemons - can also be used for 40k 10) everything else bar stormcast - can at least be used for 9th age 11) Stormcast - sigmarines are for plebs and can't even be used for 9th ++ MOD COMMENT ++ - Gaz - There has been a few more reports about this post. Can I ask people to refrain on reporting this post as Double Misfire has been issued an warning by @Ben. Punishment has been dealt. However, if you see any future problems feel free to report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaldoBeardo Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Good to see another hardcore gamer. Here are my tiers 1) Khorne Daemons - can be used for 40k, which is a proper game 2) Nurgle Daemons - can also be used for 40k 10) everything else bar stormcast - can at least be used for 9th age 11) Stormcast - sigmarines are for plebs and can't even be used for 9thWhat even are you? [emoji106] Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 49 minutes ago, Double Misfire said: 1) Khorne Daemons - can be used for 40k, which is a proper game I have discovered that I like Age of Sigmar much more than 40k. It's a much more elegant game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayniac Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 42 minutes ago, ElectricPaladin said: I have discovered that I like Age of Sigmar much more than 40k. It's a much more elegant game. I'm pretty sure the original post with that was trolling/joking. Incidentally I agree. I played a game of 40k after many years away, and it wasn't fun at all. Conversely, I have had a blast the few AOS games I've played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dez Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I agree concerning 40k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oppenheimer Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 5 hours ago, PJetski said: In terms of value I would say the Seraphon box is the best since the box is the same price as the Carnosaur itself, so you're essentially getting 20 infantry models for free. Problem with the Seraphon box is that it does not give you proper General's Handbook unit sizes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rokapoke Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 57 minutes ago, Oppenheimer said: Problem with the Seraphon box is that it does not give you proper General's Handbook unit sizes. True, but a second box gets you two 10-man Warrior units and three 5-man Knight units. So yes, you spend $170 on two boxes, but it's still a phenomenal value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. White Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I might lean towards sylvaneth...it looks incredibly easy to paint. Like...finish that whole box in a weekend easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taketheskull Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 The Daemons Of Khorne box is jam packed with stuff and getting 2 boxes is a great start to your army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeGreen Posted October 14, 2016 Author Share Posted October 14, 2016 Why are you so inclined on MSRP $ value ? I mean, all those prices from GW are artificial/made up if a unit or 5 men costs the same as a unit of 10. 40k will have a new edition in 2017, and it looks like changes will be significant. Now there are too many special rules, and the system collapses under its own weigth (yeah, weigth of a typical army too!). If you can't point to anymore powerful boxes, can you think about some that are underperforming ? Khorne bloodbound, as I read Pestilens box suck (a lot of plastic but except cannon crraap) what else ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaldoBeardo Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnelian Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I miss those days... Although I think GW did a good enough job balancing the points such that you can arrange a balancd casual game very easilyusing points and using almost any unit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Misfire Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 1 hour ago, MikeGreen said: If you can't point to anymore powerful boxes, can you think about some that are underperforming ? Khorne bloodbound, as I read Pestilens box suck (a lot of plastic but except cannon crraap) what else ? Start Collecting Skeleton Horde is one of the worst value sets purely because the skeletons in it have skinny legs and are more likely to snap off their bases than any other models in a start collecting set. An empty base is more cr@p than even a plague monk so I'd put them in a low tear if you haven't already. Ironjawz have the thickest and stompiest legs of all the Start Collecting boxes, and so should probably remain high tear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Misfire Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Does the little box with two Retributors in for a tenner count as a Start Collecting box? because Retributors are insanely good and every order army should have at least 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeGreen Posted October 14, 2016 Author Share Posted October 14, 2016 Back in WFB times, there were analysis of products - what is worth to buy and what is not. Repeating to every new player - buy what appeals to you is not the way in an expensive, competitive game ! I want to buy a game with minis not the minis. Common card can have much better art than a rare. And here in miniature games commons and rares tend to cost the same in $. Don't you think that conclusion of this thread can be valuable ? I strongly do. We need some guidance from people who actually participated in tournaments. Veteran knowledge what is highly playable and what is "buy if it appeals visually to you". Cynic posts do not help us either. New players (as me) need to know how many points are in each starting box, and which one has competitve models. On the other hand it is even more important to know the sets that are NOT a good foundation of the army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Misfire Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Fine @MikeGreen, you win. My 20 year Warhammer verterancy has informed me that the best Start Collecting set is: Spoiler £11.50 cheaper than the other boxes and it contains all the models you need to enjoy winning games of Age of Sigmar. You can even use the leftover money to buy more warpfire throwers on a bits site! If the Stormfiends box doesn't meet your requirements, not being an 'official' Start Collecting box, then Khorne Daemons, Nurge Deamons, Bloodbound, Slaves to Darkness and Pestilens are the only Start Collecting boxes worth buying, being the only boxes with models that can be used alongside Stormfiends in matched play (with Slaves to Darkness being the probable winner as the Sorcerer could probably be converted to represent Sayl the Faithless with a little effort). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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