The Red King Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 The "Era of the beast" has had so little to do with the realm of Ghur that the most notable thing to come out of it will be "the end of the Era of the beast" when BoC get unceremoniously melted down into primordial goop or whatever BS games workshop poops onto a single page of someone else's book for us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrac Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 3 minutes ago, The Red King said: The "Era of the beast" has had so little to do with the realm of Ghur that the most notable thing to come out of it will be "the end of the Era of the beast" when BoC get unceremoniously melted down into primordial goop or whatever BS games workshop poops onto a single page of someone else's book for us. Whether BoC get chopped or not, it was really funny to see a whole narrative arc set on the BEAST realm, and not have even a single actual beast involved. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitzdee Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 5 minutes ago, The Red King said: The "Era of the beast" has had so little to do with the realm of Ghur that the most notable thing to come out of it will be "the end of the Era of the beast" when BoC get unceremoniously melted down into primordial goop or whatever BS games workshop poops onto a single page of someone else's book for us. And once again Destruction gets treated like they dont exist.... Edit: or get something like Kragnos. Edited February 9 by Gitzdee 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrac Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, Gitzdee said: And once again Destruction gets treated like they dont exist.... Edit: or get something like Kragnos. i'd get used to it, GW loves too much to have Chaos as the big antagonist on all warhammer settings, and they really seem to prefer the rest of non-human-good factions as lesser threats, or potential allies. I mean, look at what they did with 40k and the retcon of necrons and Old Ones fighting Chaos millions of years ago... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitzdee Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 11 minutes ago, Garrac said: i'd get used to it, GW loves too much to have Chaos as the big antagonist on all warhammer settings, and they really seem to prefer the rest of non-human-good factions as lesser threats, or potential allies. I mean, look at what they did with 40k and the retcon of necrons and Old Ones fighting Chaos millions of years ago... Yeah it still feels bad after 3 year of thinking we finally got our turn. At least we got Kruleboyz, some warbands, a few hero models for GSG and a few units for Ironjawz. Was expecting updated Ogors, Spiderfang, Bonesplitterz, Firebellies, new gargant, Gordrakk doing at least something usefull, Gitmob (at leasr they got a keyword with no rules). Used to play Eldar, things werent much better on that side of the universe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntMan Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 31 minutes ago, Grunbag said: Im confused , the recent spoiler about death stormcast . Is this could be death stormcast / skaven at V4 starter set ? I think Whitefang's comment was just about Death as (some of the) protagonists in 4.0 and didn't mention Stormcasts. The Death Stormcast talk I think is just me and others guessing or wondering or pondering what might happen. (Or in my case just sharing my thoughts on what I think would be cool) So, no actual spoiler or credible rumour about Death Stormcast. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kempak Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 26 minutes ago, Garrac said: I mean, look at what they did with 40k and the retcon of necrons and Old Ones fighting Chaos millions of years ago... When did this occur I'm a bit out of date since 8th on wider lore other than primarch stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorticulusTGA Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 hour ago, Whitefang back me up said: These were the fully built buildings you can see in the CoS battletome. Believe what you want though! I'm really gutted by the way. How can we inhabit the Mortal Realms without full buildings to represent the Cities of Sigmar ?! It was one of the few worldbuilding elements needed to complete the setting (with that map of the Realm of Azyr I'm constantly requesting...). Do you know @Whitefang/ @Whitefang back me up if there is ANY hope to get them with the new scenery surely coming with 4th edition ?????? 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Klatz Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Garrac said: Whether BoC get chopped or not, it was really funny to see a whole narrative arc set on the BEAST realm, and not have even a single actual beast involved. Actually the Beast shaman character who is a disciple of Morghur from Broken Realms does show up as the main antagonist in the Thondia Tome story alongside the Bonesplitterz they allied with. Since the whole plot point was they were gonna awaken Incarnates across the Realms to rampage and bring everything back to a primal state with civilization ruined and everyone turned into beasts* by their powers it might have been shelved along with the Spider incarnate(and possible bigger lore focuses in Gallet) due to outside problems that changed GW’s design decisions. *definitely the most interesting bit was it was non-chaos mutations the incarnates cause, even the Stormcast later were temporarily turned into lion & dragon-men in the battle around it. Edited February 9 by Baron Klatz 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitzdee Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 11 minutes ago, Baron Klatz said: Actually the Beast shaman character who is a disciple of Morghur from Broken Realms does show up as the main antagonist in the Thondia Tome story alongside the Bonesplitterz they allied with. Since the whole plot point was they were gonna awaken Incarnates across the Realms to rampage and bring everything back to a primal state with civilization ruined and everyone turned into beasts* by their powers it might have been shelved along with the Spider incarnate(and possible bigger lore focuses in Gallet) due to outside problems that changed GW’s design decisions. *definitely the most interesting bit was it was non-chaos mutations the incarnates cause, even the Stormcast later were temporarily turned into lion & dragon-men in the battle around it. Seems like i have to get the Thondia book. Keep hearing good things about it. Makes a person wonder why they scrapped the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 55 minutes ago, The Red King said: The "Era of the beast" has had so little to do with the realm of Ghur that the most notable thing to come out of it will be "the end of the Era of the beast" when BoC get unceremoniously melted down into primordial goop or whatever BS games workshop poops onto a single page of someone else's book for us. Don't be so negative. Nothing is set in stone. This is just rumours. I am pretty sure GW would find to swallow all your money from your goaty wallet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 59 minutes ago, Grunbag said: Im confused , the recent spoiler about death stormcast . Is this could be death stormcast / skaven at V4 starter set ? The big box is a mix of ruination chamber and first ed models renewal like Liberators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 5 minutes ago, Gitzdee said: Seems like i have to get the Thondia book. Keep hearing good things about it. Makes a person wonder why they scrapped the idea. Cause this: 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Klatz Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) Well I know I did everything to support it, I ordered the limited edition version on day 1. 😄 (worth it!) But now they’re super cheap on retailers that still have any in stock. Saw Amazon ones going for $10. Puffing serious hopium AoS4 will have better stable years than the “fun” Covid to Brexit years to release more narrative tomes like that. Edited February 9 by Baron Klatz 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elbaf Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 21 hours ago, Gaball Slaaneshi said: It's true but you know.... It's only one time each three years. Let's them give us Stormcast and we won't see them until the end of the 4th edition. GW won't release a Stormcast Lieutnant each month. Aaaaah yes, David Goodenough ! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mawhis117 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 2 hours ago, Baron Klatz said: Actually the Beast shaman character who is a disciple of Morghur from Broken Realms does show up as the main antagonist in the Thondia Tome story alongside the Bonesplitterz they allied with. Since the whole plot point was they were gonna awaken Incarnates across the Realms to rampage and bring everything back to a primal state with civilization ruined and everyone turned into beasts* by their powers it might have been shelved along with the Spider incarnate(and possible bigger lore focuses in Gallet) due to outside problems that changed GW’s design decisions. *definitely the most interesting bit was it was non-chaos mutations the incarnates cause, even the Stormcast later were temporarily turned into lion & dragon-men in the battle around it. It's weird - all of the lore development around BoC has been with Ghorraghan Khai, Morghur etc, and yet all of the world building in the last BoC battletome went in the exact opposite direction - focusing on The Sire of Ruin, with Gavespawn feeling like an afterthought. Of the Four Sub-factions, only Gavespawn don't get a named leader, and the leaders of the other three sub-factions have The Sire of Ruin's mark branded into their flesh. It's one of the reasons that I'm inclinded to believe that BoC are going - the whole faction feels unfocussed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 hour ago, mawhis117 said: It's weird - all of the lore development around BoC has been with Ghorraghan Khai, Morghur etc, and yet all of the world building in the last BoC battletome went in the exact opposite direction - focusing on The Sire of Ruin, with Gavespawn feeling like an afterthought. Of the Four Sub-factions, only Gavespawn don't get a named leader, and the leaders of the other three sub-factions have The Sire of Ruin's mark branded into their flesh. It's one of the reasons that I'm inclinded to believe that BoC are going - the whole faction feels unfocussed. What really bothers me is that even with this massive billion dollar corporation the real reason they're going is that there isn't someone at GW who likes them enough. At least not anyone with sway. It seems like some armies are just some designers favorite and beasts are fittingly unloved by the fickle gods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Klatz Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, mawhis117 said: It's one of the reasons that I'm inclinded to believe that BoC are going - the whole faction feels unfocussed. That is hard to argue with. Hopefully if the worst is to happen they’ll do as some theorize and pull a AoS1 where they just break down the faction to it’s more unique core elements(dragon-Ogors & primordial ooze mutants) to build on as sub-factions, perhaps leaving the beast element to new Destruction factions. @Ejecutor On Liberators, I actually think they can stay distinct in their own box with the slightly different male & female armors, nose-bar masks, top-divot shields, hammers, swords, dual-swords, champion great weapons and maybe even dual-hammers added. They could combine them with Knight-Questor hero packs to emphasize their duelist nature as newly reforged warrior-heroes compared to the grizzled veteran infantry-wall focused Vindictors who’ve been through reforging more than them.(think Steelheart’s champions) Their perchance for going out on their own to do heroic battles has been focused on a lot in novels & tomes. Also saw this being sent out in eastern stores& Australia: I was wondering why Kragnos was promoted there until I realized it’s his hunting season for the Year of the Dragon. 😆 Edited February 9 by Baron Klatz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScionOfOssia Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, Baron Klatz said: That is hard to argue with. Hopefully if the worst is to happen they’ll do as some theorize and pull a AoS1 where they just break down the faction to it’s more unique core elements(dragon-Ogors & primordial ooze mutants) to build on as sub-factions, perhaps leaving the beast element to new Destruction factions. @Ejecutor On Liberators, I actually think they can stay distinct in their own box with the slightly different male & female armors, nose-bar masks, top-divot shields, hammers, swords, dual-swords, champion great weapons and maybe even dual-hammers added. They could combine them with Knight-Questor hero packs to emphasize their duelist nature as newly reforged warrior-heroes compared to the grizzled veteran infantry-wall focused Vindictors.(think Steelheart’s champions) Their perchance for going out on their own to do heroic battles has been focused on a lot in novels & tomes. Also saw this being sent out in eastern stores& Australia: I was wondering why Kragnos was promoted there until I realized it’s his hunting season for the Year of the Dragon. 😆 Maybe while Kragnos is out hunting he can also find a reason for us to care about him. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mawhis117 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 13 minutes ago, The Red King said: What really bothers me is that even with this massive billion dollar corporation the real reason they're going is that there isn't someone at GW who likes them enough. At least not anyone with sway. It seems like some armies are just some designers favorite and beasts are fittingly unloved by the fickle gods. I don't think it's a question of being unloved. We know that GW write and sculpt years in advance of the release dates, and I can remember hearing rumours about a tug of war between the main and specialist studios over Beasts of Chaos quite a while ago. If they are leaving AOS, then GW have known that for a while, and have been planning accordingly - there are multiple ways that a replacement faction could be introduced later on down the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Klatz Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, ScionOfOssia said: Maybe while Kragnos is out hunting he can also find a reason for us to care about him. Last Dawner book leaned harder on him trying to find his lost people which the Mouth of Mork is intentionally hiding from him, killing off Ironjawz that find out and having his goons remove the signs they left behind so there is that. Might ultimately tie-into the BoC fate if his people and realm beasts are gonna be their focus in Destruction rather than Chaos. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 12 minutes ago, Baron Klatz said: Last Dawner book leaned harder on him trying to find his lost people which the Mouth of Mork is intentionally hiding from him, killing off Ironjawz that find out and having his goons remove the signs they left behind so there is that. Might ultimately tie-into the BoC fate if his people and realm beasts are gonna be their focus in Destruction rather than Chaos. What are the odds of finding them? Could be that we have a new army with a low amount of minis (in the style of Sons) as the end of the ed faction? Other than that I think it would be one of those plots that ends without a representation in terms of minis. Mainly because the number of armies has to be limited and the release schedule is also limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogregut Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 24 minutes ago, The Red King said: What really bothers me is that even with this massive billion dollar corporation the real reason they're going is that there isn't someone at GW who likes them enough. At least not anyone with sway. It seems like some armies are just some designers favorite and beasts are fittingly unloved by the fickle gods. That just doesn't make any sense. If (and it's a big if) beasts are going extinct it will be based on financial motivation not sentimentally. Beasts of chaos are the last army that doesn't have IP protectable names, Skaven are a GW invention and ogres are now ogors etc. I can see them getting a big overhaul with new models and new protectable names. I really hope this is the case as I'll love to see what GW come up with. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lich King Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Updated Ogre range when ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Klatz Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 28 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: What are the odds of finding them? I mean better than before. The boyz were literally rubbing away cave paintings they made. His people may have ran to Ghyran to heal & repopulate with it’s life magics that’s why Donse was nothing but broken ruins. Could be nothing but I won’t be too surprised if Karazai & Seraphon knock him senseless and he stumbles onto more signs of guidance in a daze. 30 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: Mainly because the number of armies has to be limited and the release schedule is also limited. Thus the Beasts on the theoretical chopping block to make room. 😗 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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