Sception Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) Ushoran's madness should make him inherently unreliable. I'd like for him to be the leader of both nagashi and anti-nagashi ghouls, depending on what side of the bed he's waking up on today. On his most lucid days he'd know both he and nagash were monsters, but be unable to resist Nagash's control. On a more deluded day, he'd be the champion of freedom leading his people against the tyranny of a dark and cruel nagash, his madness breaking the bonds of nagash's control and allowing him to strike back against his master. but on his most deluded days he'd swing right back around as the willing and devoted paladin of a bright and benevolent nagash - not actually under nagash's control but 110% loyal regardless. But that's just how I'd characterize him. Edited November 16, 2023 by Sception 8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luperci Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Sception said: Ushoran's madness should make him inherently unreliable. I'd like for him to be the leader of both nagashi and anti-nagashi ghouls, depending on what side of the bed he's waking up on today. On his most lucid days he'd know both he and nagash were monsters, but be unable to resist Nagash's control. On a more deluded day, he'd be the champion of freedom leading his people against the tyranny of a dark and cruel nagash, his madness breaking the bonds of nagash's control and strike back against his master. but on his most deluded days he'd swing right back around as the willing and devoted paladin of a bright and benevolent nagash - not actually under nagash's control but 110% loyal regardless. But that's just how I'd characterize him. I would think Nagash just uses Ushoran like a rabid dog if he is a mortarch, knowing that ultimately he cannot pose a threat to the God of death. It'd be funny if it was just the other death factions (mainly ossiarchs) getting annoyed at Ushoran and the FEC but Nagash just says nah suck it up and was chill with him. It'd be more interesting to have different polarities within the death GA but oh well, maybe we'll get some new death God eventually that tries to usurp Nagash Edited November 16, 2023 by Luperci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Nagash doesn't really need singular attack dogs. I'd picture Ushoran's usefullness being more in terms of the control Nagash could exert over FEC enclaves generally through him. like a half-broken radio tower that sometimes lets you control a robot army, but half the time it's on the fritz and the robots will start behaving in a totally unpredictable manner. If anything, I imagine its the sort of thing that would especially drive a control freak like nagash to distraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikout Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 What kind of title is mortarch? Ushoran was reassurected by Nagash to be a mortarch but then rebelled. He would still be a Mortarch then. Would Nagash even bother to strip him of his title? An exiled prince is still a prince. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01rtb01 Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Chikout said: What kind of title is mortarch? Ushoran was reassurected by Nagash to be a mortarch but then rebelled. He would still be a Mortarch then. Would Nagash even bother to strip him of his title? An exiled prince is still a prince. Basically the lieutenants of Nagash. The trusted. Ironically probably not appropriate for someone that rebelled... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatforce Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 38 minutes ago, 01rtb01 said: Basically the lieutenants of Nagash. The trusted. Ironically probably not appropriate for someone that rebelled... Trust doesn't have anything to do with it, Manfred is a Mortarch and he is anything but trustworthy and is seeking to break free of Nagash (and Nagash knows it). Mortarchs have been given power by Nagash as I recall, it is not just a title. They are demigods who have a fragment of Nagash's power in them, in a similar way to Stormcast though obviously more significantly than a Liberator. Anyway, as long as a Mortarch is achieving the goald of Nagash he couldn't really care less about anything else about them. It will be interesting to see more info on Ushoran as (and I am not familiar with the deep cuts of the FEC lore) I believe that Nagash can literally seize control of Vampires and probably all undead, including Mortarchs (who are especially closely bound to him). Perhaps the madness allowed him to break free, or his latent abilities did (think he is rumoured to have sort of power connected to souls that I won't go into for spoiler reasons), but will be cool to get some answers about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitGas Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Trugg the Troggoth King said: Nagash is not just a god of the Death, he is THE DEATH itself. You can't have arguments against the primordial magic that created you in the first place as a mere puppet and/or…… So if Nagash gets defeated, AoS turns into a FromSoftware videogame backstory… 🤔 so that‘s why everything spams mortal wounds, they just wanna emulate the frustration you feel in their games! 😅 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luperci Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Chikout said: What kind of title is mortarch? Ushoran was reassurected by Nagash to be a mortarch but then rebelled. He would still be a Mortarch then. Would Nagash even bother to strip him of his title? An exiled prince is still a prince. When I first got into the hobby(before katakros and olynder were a thing) I did just think mortarch was the name of any character riding a dread abyssal. The original 3 mortarchs are really nice looking but it'd be cool to see them each get more of a unique flavor, arkhan might have a chance for a new kit whenever he comes back in the lore. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikout Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 38 minutes ago, Goatforce said: Mortarchs have been given power by Nagash as I recall, it is not just a title. They are demigods who have a fragment of Nagash's power in them, in a similar way to Stormcast though obviously more significantly than a Liberator. This is the point I was making. If a Mortarch describes them as a type of being rather than a title given by Nagash, then it doesn't matter what Ushoran does. He will still be a mortarch even if he is in full rebellion against Nagash. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorPerils Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 6 hours ago, Chikout said: This is the point I was making. If a Mortarch describes them as a type of being rather than a title given by Nagash, then it doesn't matter what Ushoran does. He will still be a mortarch even if he is in full rebellion against Nagash. I'm thinking along these lines myself. Perhaps the making of a mortarch is irrevocable, and Ushoran has been kept imprisoned (rather than permadeaded) while nagash is finding a way to retrieve that portion of himself? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntMan Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 What are we anticipating/expecting/guessing for the Underworlds reveal? I've lost track, and doesn't help that I get mixed up between Underworlds and Warcry when it comes to future releases... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, EntMan said: What are we anticipating/expecting/guessing for the Underworlds reveal? I've lost track, and doesn't help that I get mixed up between Underworlds and Warcry when it comes to future releases... I think the guess consensus was Lumineth vs Osiarchs? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EonChao Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, EntMan said: What are we anticipating/expecting/guessing for the Underworlds reveal? I've lost track, and doesn't help that I get mixed up between Underworlds and Warcry when it comes to future releases... Underworlds is a Destruction warband. Speculation was that it would be a second Kruleboyz one but we've got no real clue to go off of. Next Warcry release should contain an order and death warband with some people thinking it could be Kurnothii Sylvaneth vs Ossiarchs based on the current Dawnbringer stories. Edit; But that's not being revealed tonight/tomorrow Edited November 17, 2023 by EonChao 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleser Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, EntMan said: What are we anticipating/expecting/guessing for the Underworlds reveal? I've lost track, and doesn't help that I get mixed up between Underworlds and Warcry when it comes to future releases... Kruleboyz for UW, sadly no Warcry reveal this time 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrus Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 41 minutes ago, Aleser said: Kruleboyz for UW, sadly no Warcry reveal this time My bet is still on icebone Bonesplitterz UW 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrus Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 43 minutes ago, EonChao said: Underworlds is a Destruction warband. Speculation was that it would be a second Kruleboyz one but we've got no real clue to go off of. Next Warcry release should contain an order and death warband with some people thinking it could be Kurnothii Sylvaneth vs Ossiarchs based on the current Dawnbringer stories. Edit; But that's not being revealed tonight/tomorrow Whitefang confirmed that order warcry band is Lumineth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleser Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, cyrus said: My bet is still on icebone Bonesplitterz UW Why tho? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, cyrus said: My bet is still on icebone Bonesplitterz UW I see it too specific to be released. We don't see usually minis from a spefic realms or biome. Either it is just a logo or it would mean ogres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntMan Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 It's story time! 😀 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/17/dawnbringer-chronicles-xv-blessed-by-blood/ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EonChao Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 30 minutes ago, cyrus said: Whitefang confirmed that order warcry band is Lumineth I don't know if they confirmed it was Lumineth, just that it was Aelves, and that a Lumineth warband would be based on the one of the other elements. But we'll see in a few months time. Either option is a good choice imho 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, EntMan said: It's story time! 😀 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/17/dawnbringer-chronicles-xv-blessed-by-blood/ Oh oh ohhh! Chaos is comiiinnnnggg! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brotherhood of Necros Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Very cool story! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrus Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 23 minutes ago, EonChao said: I don't know if they confirmed it was Lumineth, just that it was Aelves, and that a Lumineth warband would be based on the one of the other elements. But we'll see in a few months time. Either option is a good choice imho He did indeed ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feii Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 14 hours ago, Sception said: Ushoran's madness should make him inherently unreliable. I'd like for him to be the leader of both nagashi and anti-nagashi ghouls, depending on what side of the bed he's waking up on today. On his most lucid days he'd know both he and nagash were monsters, but be unable to resist Nagash's control. On a more deluded day, he'd be the champion of freedom leading his people against the tyranny of a dark and cruel nagash, his madness breaking the bonds of nagash's control and allowing him to strike back against his master. but on his most deluded days he'd swing right back around as the willing and devoted paladin of a bright and benevolent nagash - not actually under nagash's control but 110% loyal regardless. But that's just how I'd characterize him. All I can think is Ushoran dropping oversized anvils on Nagash with loony tunes music in the background... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lele Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Dawnbringer Chronicles XV – Blessed By Blood: Korghos Khul piles up the skulls https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/17/dawnbringer-chronicles-xv-blessed-by-blood/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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