Gothmaug Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Love to see the Ruinstorm Deamon Brutes from Forgeworld make a transition to plastic and appear in AoS. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliman Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, Gothmaug said: Love to see the Ruinstorm Deamon Brutes from Forgeworld make a transition to plastic and appear in AoS. That would be really awesome. First "undivided" daemons in AoS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganigumo Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 I never understood why daemons of the ruinstorm never got an AOS warscroll. Literally all FW needed to do was write a scroll and they could sell those models to aos players in addition to heresy ones. Literally Leaving money on the table by not doing a very small amount of work, but that seems to be FW's MO at times, they did nearly the same thing by not bothering to put army keywords on the Fantasy/AOS warscrolls. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Speaking of FW I wonder when AOS will just leave? Id love for plastic versions of all those sculpts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Mainly because it a strictly a Horus heresy unit and only in that game system other is that narratively both setting have not really established undivided daemons as a thing yet. Ruinstorm daemons are a rare occurance in 40K and AoS has not truly acknowledge their existence just yet. Only thing establish so far is Belekor. as for leaving money on the table, given the price of those of model maybe it a good thing they are not that intergral to any of the main system from a consumer standpoints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Oh and what are the chances of Seasons of War Gallet* being announced this weekend? Or would that be better suited to a mainline Preview? *Or wherever they decide to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, KingBrodd said: Speaking of FW I wonder when AOS will just leave? Id love for plastic versions of all those sculpts. Probably when Old world comes back, it suppose to be FW main operation once HH get converted to plastic. expecting everything to go into plastic is another issue as most of the time old fantasy model just get discontinued 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 minute ago, KingBrodd said: Oh and what are the chances of Seasons of War Gallet* being announced this weekend? Or would that be better suited to a mainline Preview? *Or wherever they decide to go. There would have been an AoS banner on preview page if it was going to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plinketts Mawtribes Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 minute ago, novakai said: Probably when Old world comes back, it suppose to be FW main operation once HH get converted to plastic. I'm still not convinced that Old World is anything more than a few jpegs meant to boost sales for a little while. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 minute ago, novakai said: There would have been an AoS banner on preview page if it was going to happen Thanks mate. 3 minutes ago, novakai said: Probably when Old world comes back, it suppose to be FW main operation once HH get converted to plastic. expecting everything to go into plastic is another issue as most of the time old fantasy model just get discontinued Very true. I just want the Troggoth Hag converted or updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrus Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Ganigumo said: Tzeentch herald on disc & blue scribes are resin too. In a potential daemon release they could also expand on "undivided" daemons a bit more, which would be an interesting direction. Furies already play in that space a little bit. It seems from dakka dakka leaks that furies have been removed from new demons codex. So furies will still exist only in AoS According to @Norray there will be daemon brutes in upcoming khorne Underworlds warband. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganigumo Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Just now, novakai said: Mainly because it a strictly a Horus heresy unit and only in that game system other is that narratively both setting have not really established undivided daemons as a thing yet. Ruinstorm daemons are a rare occurance in 40K and AoS has not truly acknowledge their existence just yet. Only thing establish so far is Belekor. as for leaving money on the table, given the price of those of model maybe it a good thing they are not that intergral to any of the main system from a consumer standpoints Furies have been undivided daemons for ages. In some older editions they could even take marks IIRC. AoS lore still has plenty of room to fit the daemons of the ruinstorm in, you could easily rename it and reflavor it a bit for the aos scroll and they wouldn't need to be undivided. You could flavor them as half-princes, Champions who went mad during the final step to daemonhood, but they also look a bit like big bloodletters so you could flavor it as a unit of hard hitting khorne daemons. What I'm getting at is I could write an aos warscroll for those guys with a small lore blurb in an afternoon, so surely FW could too, and just the existence of that warscroll will increase the sales of that kit. The idea that they want to keep it "HH only" is what I mean by leaving money on the table, There aren't really any benefits of it. None of the aos FW models have ever been particularly meta, and I think thats a good thing, but there's a difference between "suboptimal but cool model", and making the models nearly impossible to play with by the game's rules. That difference is why things like the colossal squig and mourngul sell well enough to keep around, and why stuff like the magmawyrm and merwyrm didn't. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 29 minutes ago, Ganigumo said: Furies have been undivided daemons for ages. In some older editions they could even take marks IIRC. AoS lore still has plenty of room to fit the daemons of the ruinstorm in, you could easily rename it and reflavor it a bit for the aos scroll and they wouldn't need to be undivided. You could flavor them as half-princes, Champions who went mad during the final step to daemonhood, but they also look a bit like big bloodletters so you could flavor it as a unit of hard hitting khorne daemons. What I'm getting at is I could write an aos warscroll for those guys with a small lore blurb in an afternoon, so surely FW could too, and just the existence of that warscroll will increase the sales of that kit. The idea that they want to keep it "HH only" is what I mean by leaving money on the table, There aren't really any benefits of it. None of the aos FW models have ever been particularly meta, and I think thats a good thing, but there's a difference between "suboptimal but cool model", and making the models nearly impossible to play with by the game's rules. That difference is why things like the colossal squig and mourngul sell well enough to keep around, and why stuff like the magmawyrm and merwyrm didn't. I think is they are not ready or don’t want to put them into either setting until they know what they want to do with Undivided daemon hence why they are only in HH. If you write a half a$$ lore blurb about them it means your committed into putting them in the game. as for FW majority of their profits for a long time has been Horus Heresy, they probably make enough from that game itself they haven’t needed to keep the other section as update for profit reason. It also probably FW models from both AoS and FW have been slowly disconnected without any new release from either line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellman Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 33 minutes ago, Ganigumo said: None of the aos FW models have ever been particularly meta, and I think thats a good thing, but there's a difference between "suboptimal but cool model", and making the models nearly impossible to play with by the game's rules. That difference is why things like the colossal squig and mourngul sell well enough to keep around, and why stuff like the magmawyrm and merwyrm didn't. The Mourngul was totely broken during first edition. First thay trid to up the points to 400 and they hadd to rewrit the warscroll so forgeworld has made som mistaks for aos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganigumo Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Just now, novakai said: I think is they are not ready or don’t want to put them into either setting until they know what they want to do with Undivided daemon hence why they are only in HH. If you write a half a$$ lore blurb about them it means your committed into putting them in the game. as for FW majority of their profits for a long time has been Horus Heresy, they probably make enough from that game itself they haven’t needed to keep the other section as update for profit reason. It also probably FW models from both AoS and FW have been slowly disconnected without any new release from either line writing lore blurbs for stuff didn't save any of the forces/models that were squatted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ganigumo said: writing lore blurbs for stuff didn't save any of the forces/models that were squatted. Yeah but things like Fimirs and Basalisk are lower outliers then say Undivided daemons that have only ever appear in the Horus Heresy because of a freaky condition in the Warp. So having them in the other game is a bigger deal. then again a good chunk of stuff in Horus Heresy outside of like Custode units are not usable in 40K either so they do keep a degree of separation. It not like this one situation of Ruinstorm daemon not in Sigmar is appalling or wasting potential. Edited July 7, 2022 by novakai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EccentricCircle Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Giving them aos stats would require forge world to remember that aos exists... Given that they are slowly discontinuing all their aos models I think we can conclude that that's not likely to happen any time soon... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverchosen Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 4 hours ago, Gothmaug said: Love to see the Ruinstorm Deamon Brutes from Forgeworld make a transition to plastic and appear in AoS. I would be so down for this, Undivided is my favourite form of chaos and I think a unit of Ogor sized heavies, the soulgrinder and our Furries would make a fantastic base for an undived demon force. I think that if they gave Raptoryx' the demonic keyword we'd really be in a good spot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 11 hours ago, KingBrodd said: August time? Nova is early September. I could see it around then. We know Tzeentch and Lrl is first for fall so they will have time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 Technically the first day of NoVa is on August 31st and the GW preview show is on the first day of the event though I guess it be September 1st for most everyone else not in the US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliman Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 Brutes are easier to writte for AoS than HH, because they were not undivided nor had a mark (they had a "discipline", "reign", and a lot of "traits"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 7 hours ago, EccentricCircle said: Giving them aos stats would require forge world to remember that aos exists... Given that they are slowly discontinuing all their aos models I think we can conclude that that's not likely to happen any time soon... Yeah, I would be surprised if they make anything for AoS from 4th onward. Not terribly surprised, maybe it takes another edition for molds to wear out, break, get lots or just scrapped, but the pattern is quite clear. FW offers no benefit over GW, higher prices, harder to get, harder to work with, worse quality control, worse customer service and barely any attention to rules. They do make nice Necromunda models though, and GW mainly price jumps made infantry heroes about the same price. Not really worth the price, like all infantry heroes. They also sell nice Admech stuff from HH, but that's a space marine game, so far outside my interest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Beliman said: Brutes are easier to writte for AoS than HH, because they were not undivided nor had a mark (they had a "discipline", "reign", and a lot of "traits"). They would have to actually write them into AoS first, I am only guessing they don’t feel the need to or it something they need to plan it out with the 40K universe given that they like to make daemons parallel with both universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambot1231 Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 Funny I had the Daemon brutes out for converting into daemon princes and I just happened to open this thread before starting on them 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliman Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, novakai said: They would have to actually write them into AoS first, I am only guessing they don’t feel the need to or it something they need to plan it out with the 40K universe given that they like to make daemons parallel with both universe. Yeah, completely agree. They need the will to do it, and I'm not sure that they want. I'm not a fan of moving Brutes to 40k, it's the same setting afterall, it follows the same rules: Brutes in HH are basic/generic Daemons because the humanity didn't have enough knowledge of Chaos powers to understand their form, so their elite units appear as Brutes in to the eyes of the Imperium, unless the Daemon itself had enough will to manifest with their most accurate true form, but that's exclusive to a Greater Daemons. In 40k, it's easy for daemons to enter reality with a more accurate manifestation. It would be a bit weird (from a Lore PoV) to see brutes with the same miniatures in 40k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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