Ranwulf Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 I even saw a list with three of them, which I thought that thematically it was freaking awesome, but I have no idea how effective it would be gamewise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotrek Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Cause it's the punchiest and most durable unit we got (argument could be made for morghast archai with halberds but they don't have the healing VLoZD does). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grungolah Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 I haven't seen a full-on comparison yet, but the new Black Coach gives the VLoZD a run for its money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gumbalina Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Nah it's all about the coven throne.... 25 attacks at full strength and pretty cheap. I may be biased though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianob Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 If you compare the VLOZD to other Dragons that are out there you'll see it's actually pretty awesome. It was buffed in the LoN book when it was already the best Dragon around by quite a ways. Its special rules are OK (self healing etc), nothing special, but they're good enough and its raw damage and attack numbers and cheap cost (for a dragon) more than make up for it. Comes with a nice command ability, too, that we can now use! In addition to this, it's also a spell caster (important for various missions now), something that not many other high-end monsters boast. Unfortunately big monsters are not the best units in Age of Sigmar - lots of cheap wounds with efficient attacks (and a high model count for missions) are generally better - so we can't really leverage our awesome Dragon as much as we'd like to. But having access to one of the best around is great and trying to skew games by running 3 of them is a good tactic (if not all that effective in reality). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadkitten Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Plus, it's a DRAGON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 It's a do everything model. Fighty, tough, fast, flying, self healing, spellcaster, hero, good invocation, decent command ability, can carry an artifact and a faction spell. Pricey, but not as pricey as other monsters that don't even do that much. In 1e, it was our only hero apart from nagash with a chance of surviving shooting attention. In 2e that issue has softened a little, but still matters, and there's a lot of nasty items and spells for it to take advantage of, especially if your tables play with the narratively fun if somewhat inappropriate for matched play realm rules. Sure, without a casting bonus he's not sneaking anything past a nagash, arkhan, or tzeentch list, but we have a way of overwhelming the boosted dispel attempts of most other factions. If you want a monster he's arguably our best one, and inarguably our best one that costs less than 800 points. Though a terrorgheist, unridden or with ghoul king on top, does come very close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenshin620 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Plus a VLoZD as General with PrinceV as backup are two wrecking balls of destruction! And darn cool looking to field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themortalgod Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Pretty much all of the above and important to remember that AoS 2.0 was very kind to it give that it has a 3+ save. Toss Mystic shield and the ethereal amulet thing on it and you have one hell of a tough to kill model that hits like a truck in combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honk Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Well, he is ”the“ hero, if you need a beefy general and don’t want to field a mortarch... And with the magic lore, command abilities and artifacts playable with a variety of load outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arentius Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Especially if you wanna give him that extra threat give it a sword of justice with his vamp blade and whenever fighting heroes and monsters if you roll a 6+ to hit you just instantly deal d6 mortal wounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scythian Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Zombie dragon lords are hardly anything to fear if you have the right unit to kill it. My three 20 Blood Sister units kill them in one round of combat consistently due to our mortal wound attacks and volume of regular attacks. Most players are using two nowadays for the double whammy attack, but they can still be killed. Just choose the right units and they’ll never be anything more than a nuisance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honk Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 3x20 blood sisters are 420 each so 1260 points vs 440 should cut him into fine ribbons... Everything can be killed somehow, stupid sisters are a mean bunch of crazies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Bob Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Honk said: Well, he is ”the“ hero, if you need a beefy general and don’t want to field a mortarch... And with the magic lore, command abilities and artifacts playable with a variety of load outs. It’s a freaking game of balancing for sure. At 2k having to avoid LoS if I want to field Arkham is a little sad. But that doesn’t last long once Harbingers with halberds and four attacks each show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scythian Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 41 minutes ago, Honk said: 3x20 blood sisters are 420 each so 1260 points vs 440 should cut him into fine ribbons... Everything can be killed somehow, stupid sisters are a mean bunch of crazies Somebody need a zombie dragon killed? Who ya gonna call? Dragonbusters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephisto Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 As mentioned, he's basically one of the best hammers available for our army. Beyond that he's also a total swiss army knife. He brings a lore spell. Mobility. Practically guaranteed board-wide reach for unbinding. A solid command ability. He's even pretty defensive. I like to toss an Ethereal Amulet from Shyish Realm Artefacts on him and watch him become an actual monster to deal with. I think 3 VLoZD is excessive because at that point you're almost stopping yourself from leaning into some of the strengths of Death but my friend runs a "Double Dragon" List as Legions of Night and it's quite potent. Sometimes you just want a giant monster to actually be a giant monster. The VLoZD is as advertised. You pay the points. You get a badass on the board. That seems understated but it's actually a good thing when you think a model is one thing and it actually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honk Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Mephisto said: Sometimes you just want a giant monster to actually be a giant monster. And with all his might, he also carries around a big bullseye, don’t want to call him distraction carnifex, but he is something your opponent has to deal with, while the rest is grabbing/holding objectives. I mean a necro with a banshee and 40 skellis is also around 480 points and quite potent, but will not really stress your opponent like good ol Vlad on his mount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephisto Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 @honk oh, this is another part of his secret power. They MUST deal with him while the rest of your army is winning the game. If they don't deal with him, they're losing their board. Excellent point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagisterCrow Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I'm still a newbie, but math-wise, it's a potent, scary leader, spellcaster, supports the army, and puts out decent damage with decent resistance, particularly with the right equipment. Taking one is a potent option and decent force multiplier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arentius Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 On 7/20/2018 at 10:15 PM, Scythian said: Zombie dragon lords are hardly anything to fear if you have the right unit to kill it. My three 20 Blood Sister units kill them in one round of combat consistently due to our mortal wound attacks and volume of regular attacks. Most players are using two nowadays for the double whammy attack, but they can still be killed. Just choose the right units and they’ll never be anything more than a nuisance. However that means in a 2k game you've used over half your list to take out one of my hero's, leaving me plenty of time to counter attack and turn your sisters into a new handbag or 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scythian Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Arentius said: However that means in a 2k game you've used over half your list to take out one of my hero's, leaving me plenty of time to counter attack and turn your sisters into a new handbag or 5 Ha! Trust me, while one unit is defanging Dracula, the other two will be mopping up his walking dead! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honk Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 We‘re back to name calling and such... I like: You little brats all will bow to my superior tactical genius and stuff, grovel in the dirt befor me unworthy underlings!!! I guess a fast alpha-list with blender units will pose a problem for an aggressively positioned VLoZD. But somewhere in this forum a guy rambled about your game-role with wild comparisons to MagicTG and stuff(aggressiv/defensiv/early game/late game). And while he probably is some hermit living under a rock proclaiming his wise truth and deep understandings of cosmic things to his flock of seabirds, there were speckles of truth shining in the dirt. Where are you stronger, what is your game plan? And not only your own strengths, but also your weaknesses have to be considered. After reading the Sun-Tzu book, it seems the strength and weaknesses of your opponent also have to be considered...as well as his mental state (puppie speedbumps with countercharge might show them sisters not to pet our doggies). aaaand the mission objectives and of course the time your wife/husband/ relationship/ pet/ yourself want you do be done playing with little plastic pieces. so the VLoZD tends to be somewhere between awesome and disgusting as all things are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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