The "mortals redesign" Discussion

[Clan's Cynic]

1 minute ago, RyantheFett said:

Its a solid take on the situation and I agree with most of it.

My big question from all this is when/if they try and remove those darkelves what will they say to the players then? Sort of feels like GW kicked the can down the road and will have to deal with all of this again in a few years again lol.

Same as always. They'll ignore it, some people will get angry, some people will defend it, eventually enough time passes that not many people will care anymore.

 

Edited July 14, 2023 by Clan's Cynic

[novakai]

It’s like how GW deal with the video content creator controversy when they updated their fan video clause on their IP copyright which lead to  people to taking their fan made stuff out of YouTube.

by doing absolutely nothing and having the community just forget about the whole ordeal. 

[willange]

Yeah, I think at this point if you have any WHFB minis then you should realize their days of use in AoS (other than as proxies) is numbered.

EDIT: I don't say this to be a pessimist.  I have demis and phoenix temple and wanderers (all painted and everything and I even bought them for AoS; I never played WHFB).  I'm not mad about them leaving.  It makes sense to me.  It also makes sense to me to no longer assume that older minis will stick around for long.

Edited July 14, 2023 by willange

[The Lost Sigmarite]

22 hours ago, willange said:

Yeah, I think at this point if you have any WHFB minis then you should realize their days of use in AoS (other than as proxies) is numbered.

There's some WFB minis in AoS that I think are going nowhere, like for example the End Times stuff, Witch Elves, the demons...

Talking about CoS, we have now 7 kits revealed. Seeing the Nids have had 13 kits for their range refresh, I would expect another 6 on their way for us. Not counting the scenery which is something more for broader AoS players than just for us. Obviously there's the artillery, but I feel there's likely some foot hero(es) waiting around the corner. 

[willange]

20 hours ago, The Lost Sigmarite said:

There's some WFB minis in AoS that I think are going nowhere, like for example the End Times stuff, Witch Elves, the demons...

Talking about CoS, we have now 7 kits revealed. Seeing the Nids have had 13 kits for their range refresh, I would expect another 6 on their way for us. Not counting the scenery which is something more for broader AoS players than just for us. Obviously there's the artillery, but I feel there's likely some foot hero(es) waiting around the corner. 

Good point, i guess i meant more in the context of CoS because yeah, i doubt witch elves will go anywhere

[RyantheFett]

On 7/15/2023 at 3:34 PM, The Lost Sigmarite said:

There's some WFB minis in AoS that I think are going nowhere, like for example the End Times stuff, Witch Elves, the demons...

Talking about CoS, we have now 7 kits revealed. Seeing the Nids have had 13 kits for their range refresh, I would expect another 6 on their way for us. Not counting the scenery which is something more for broader AoS players than just for us. Obviously there's the artillery, but I feel there's likely some foot hero(es) waiting around the corner. 

I agree that some older models are safe, but I think after this last purge we will never truly know which ones and GW sure as hell is not given us any hints lol. Safe bet will be to always go for the new stuff. Especially now since they may be more aggressive with cutting stuff since TOW is coming soon^TM.

As for how much is left 6 to 7 is a really good bet. About 23 models have been cut so the faction would need about 14 new units to get to that 54 they mentioned.

Of course that is if they don't do anything to units like the steam tank and steam tank with commander.

[Vagard]

I was wondering, is faction terrain still a thing GW want to keep? I don't think they released some during the 3rd ed and some factions still don't have one (SCE, Orruks, StD...) and yet these 3 factions have had a big update during V3. 

So if its still something GW want to continue, any guesses about CoSs? A metalith could be a good idea but since whitefang said that whe already have one... Maybe a sigmar altar or a more religious buiding? 

Btw, if we have one faction terrain, it means that one of the 6 warscrolls remaining will be allowed to it

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

28 minutes ago, Vagard said:

I was wondering, is faction terrain still a thing GW want to keep? I don't think they released some during the 3rd ed and some factions still don't have one (SCE, Orruks, StD...) and yet these 3 factions have had a big update during V3. 

So if its still something GW want to continue, any guesses about CoSs? A metalith could be a good idea but since whitefang said that whe already have one... Maybe a sigmar altar or a more religious buiding? 

Btw, if we have one faction terrain, it means that one of the 6 warscrolls remaining will be allowed to it

A Highscryer Metalith would be such an obviously slam dunk that I have to believe that if we are not getting that, we are not getting any faction terrain. A floating island that can actually be transported and give your army a mobile vantage point just seems tailor -made to be a faction terrain piece.

I kind of suspect that GW is just more or less done with the idea of faction terrain for now. If I am not mistaken, the last piece of faction terrain was the Realmshaper Engine for Seraphon in 2020. No new faction terrain has been released for all of 3rd edition.

However, I am pretty confident we will see those completed Dawnbringer buildings that have appeared in several promotional photos already. But I think they will just be regular terrain without special rules.

[Vagard]

6 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

A Highscryer Metalith would be such an obviously slam dunk

I totallly agree with that butin the other hand, the dawnbringer crusades are not meant to be endless to me (means that in 1 or 2 years, with the evolution of the AoS story, metaliths will probably be outdated) 

9 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

If I am not mistaken, the last piece of faction terrain was the Realmshaper Engine for Seraphon in 2020

 Or maybe the Lumineth Shrine? I don't remember when LRL were released. (The fact that a totally new army like LRL get a faction terrain give me hope for CoS)

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

3 minutes ago, Vagard said:

I totallly agree with that butin the other hand, the dawnbringer crusades are not meant to be endless to me (means that in 1 or 2 years, with the evolution of the AoS story, metaliths will probably be outdated) 

Well, I guess the Cogfort terrain piece is still on the table

3 minutes ago, Vagard said:

Or maybe the Lumineth Shrine? I don't remember when LRL were released. (The fact that a totally new army like LRL get a faction terrain give me hope for CoS)

You are right, the Shrine Luminor was part of the second LRL wave. I had mentally grouped it with the first (because, to be fair, they tend to run together). That's the newest one then, from 2021.

[EntMan]

12 hours ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

A Highscryer Metalith would be such an obviously slam dunk that I have to believe that if we are not getting that, we are not getting any faction terrain. A floating island that can actually be transported and give your army a mobile vantage point just seems tailor -made to be a faction terrain piece.

Could we get it as a unit rather than as terrain?

[Vagard]

Very unlikely to me, we are already waiting for a big cannon and an altar. I don't think we'll get more big minis (but let's hope!) 

[The Lost Sigmarite]

We talking a lot here about the artillery and centerpiece model for CoS but there's definitely some foot heroes unveiled waiting around in my opinion. We know of 2 but looking at what GW releases are like now, I would expect at least 2 more. I could bet one :

• BSB hero, because we saw an unseen big banner on the box art of the army set
• Callis & Toll because Whitefang teased them
• Either a generic warrior priest or a generic witch hunter. They could even rerelease the exelsior warpriest for all I know and I'd still be OK.

As for units I maintain it'll be :

• War altar centerpiece
• Gunpowder artillery piece
• Freeguild elite with 2 handed weapons

6 unshown kits overall, perfectly in the ballpark of what to expect that we haven't seen.

 

Edited July 21, 2023 by The Lost Sigmarite

[Vagard]

1 minute ago, The Lost Sigmarite said:

As for units I maintain it'll be :

• War altar centerpiece
• Gunpowder artillery piece
• Freeguild elite with 2 handed weapons

I agree with those three and the fact that not all heroes have been shown. 

For the 3 other warscrolls, I am hoping for :

- An ogor warhulk unit (like bullgors, kroxigors...)

- A flagellants redesign (they did not exit the warscroll but maybe the minis)

- And a cult of the wheel hero 

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

3 minutes ago, The Lost Sigmarite said:

We talking a lot here about the artillery and centerpiece model for CoS but there's definitely some foot heroes unveiled waiting around in my opinion. We know of 2 but looking at what GW releases are like now, I would expect at least 2 more. I could bet one :

• BSB hero, because we saw an unseen big banner on the box art of the army set
• Callis & Toll because Whitefang teased them
• Either a generic warrior priest or a generic witch hunter. They could even rerelease the exelsior warpriest for all I know and I'd still be OK.

As for units I maintain it'll be :

• War altar centerpiece
• Gunpowder artillery piece
• Freeguild elite with 2 handed weapons

6 unshown kits overall, perfectly in the ballpark of what to expect that we haven't seen.

 

This seems very realistic to me. Callis and Toll seem to be getting more foreshadowing recently. For generic heroes, my money is on a warrior priest. We already have several new witch hunter kits, even though they are all named characters, but Cities really need a Warpriest to pay off their religious theme.

I think with that list, there is room for one more warscroll. I hope it's another gunpowder unit.

1 minute ago, Vagard said:

- A flagellants redesign (they did not exit the warscroll but maybe the minis)

Sadly they already confirmed that the old minis are not being retired.

[Vagard]

Was it about minis or warscrolls? 

[The Lost Sigmarite]

6 minutes ago, Vagard said:

- And a cult of the wheel hero 

4 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

For generic heroes, my money is on a warrior priest. We already have several new witch hunter kits, even though they are all named characters, but Cities really need a Warpriest to pay off their religious theme.

Maybe you get a generic warrior priest kit that you can customise with bits and alternate parts to represent the different cults of Sigmar. Look how the Marshall is customisable. GW likes that sort of thing for heroes now. 

Edited July 21, 2023 by The Lost Sigmarite

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

4 minutes ago, Vagard said:

Was it about minis or warscrolls? 

Kinda both. Models that have their miniatures removed as per the announcement are also getting their warscrolls either removed (like all the Elf stuff) or changed too much to be recognizably the same thing (like most of the Freeguild).

[The Lost Sigmarite]

And also btw, I talked about it a bit in the rumour thread, but I'm expecting a Cities Warcry band to come along the release. But as it's technically a specialist game release, it wouldn't be included in the mainline AoS range release. 

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

8 minutes ago, The Lost Sigmarite said:

And also btw, I talked about it a bit in the rumour thread, but I'm expecting a Cities Warcry band to come along the release. But as it's technically a specialist game release, it wouldn't be included in the mainline AoS range release. 

I think Cities actually has the potential for several new Warcry an Underworlds warbands in the near future.

Underworlds warbands are generally character versions of existing troops. Once the new Freeguild are out, I am pretty sure we will see them in Underworlds.

Warcry are generally explorations of weird, minor factions that are not part of the main army. This is the place where GW could explore mixed race troops and the cultures of unique cities.

We have seen with Soulblight how well served diverse armies can be by these spin off games. They could definitely be used to explore a lot of cool concepts related to Cities in the coming years.

[The Lost Sigmarite]

1 minute ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

Warcry are generally explorations of weird, minor factions that are not part of the main army. This is the place where GW could explore mixed race troops and the cultures of unique cities.

We have seen with Soulblight how well served diverse armies can be by these spin off games. They could definitely be used to explore a lot of cool concepts related to Cities in the coming years.

My bet would be on an order of Azyr warband led by a witch hunter. I'd be a cool concept perfect for Warcry and nice hommage to Mordheim ! 

[LiftForSwift]

On 7/21/2023 at 11:31 AM, The Lost Sigmarite said:

We talking a lot here about the artillery and centerpiece model for CoS but there's definitely some foot heroes unveiled waiting around in my opinion. We know of 2 but looking at what GW releases are like now, I would expect at least 2 more. I could bet one :

• BSB hero, because we saw an unseen big banner on the box art of the army set
• Callis & Toll because Whitefang teased them
• Either a generic warrior priest or a generic witch hunter. They could even rerelease the exelsior warpriest for all I know and I'd still be OK.

As for units I maintain it'll be :

• War altar centerpiece
• Gunpowder artillery piece
• Freeguild elite with 2 handed weapons

6 unshown kits overall, perfectly in the ballpark of what to expect that we haven't seen.

 

What about a mounted commander/general of sorts? To go with the cavalry

[EntMan]

5 hours ago, LiftForSwift said:

What about a mounted commander/general of sorts? To go with the cavalry

General on Griffin is staying I think. So probably nothing that would be a replacement for that, this first wave at least.

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

On 7/21/2023 at 10:23 PM, The Lost Sigmarite said:

My bet would be on an order of Azyr warband led by a witch hunter. I'd be a cool concept perfect for Warcry and nice hommage to Mordheim ! 

I'm  hoping they use Warcry to finally bring these guys to the tabletop:

[The Lost Sigmarite]

Who the hell are those ? New AoS versions of the battlemages ?