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AoS 2 - Sons of Behemat Discussion

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1 hour ago, Kadeton said:

Hasn't it been fairly consistent that every battle box gets at least one showcase exclusive for each side? That seems to be part of the marketing strategy that underpins the whole idea of those boxes - people will buy the Space Wolves vs Orks box just to get the new Ghazghkull model, for instance.

I guess I'm just saying that hoping for a Behemat v Lumineth box while simultaneously hoping that it doesn't have an exclusive Gargant kit is just setting yourself up for disappointment. The only likely outcomes are either there will be a box with an exclusive Gargant, or there won't be a box at all.

In that case I'll selfishly prefer not to have one.

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I'm with you, honestly. In general, I find the process of finding someone who wants the other half of the box, and then negotiating over how much each half is worth, to be entirely too much work. I don't like box-exclusive models, so I don't buy those boxes and just wait for the model to be released separately, or buy it second-hand.

Who knows, maybe the Sons of Behemat will all be built from one or two multi-part kits with a bunch of different build options included - if so, that's awesome. I'm just not holding my breath. ;)

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3 hours ago, Kadeton said:

I'm with you, honestly. In general, I find the process of finding someone who wants the other half of the box, and then negotiating over how much each half is worth, to be entirely too much work. I don't like box-exclusive models, so I don't buy those boxes and just wait for the model to be released separately, or buy it second-hand.

Who knows, maybe the Sons of Behemat will all be built from one or two multi-part kits with a bunch of different build options included - if so, that's awesome. I'm just not holding my breath. ;)

Haha that's what I'm banking on with the Sons!! 2 kits with a variety of options and then perhaps a separate Leader kit, again with options. 

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4 hours ago, Kadeton said:

Who knows, maybe the Sons of Behemat will all be built from one or two multi-part kits with a bunch of different build options included - if so, that's awesome. I'm just not holding my breath. ;)

Thats the imperial knight model, and it was very very successful.  Started out as just a 1 kit army. That same kit was the foundation for 2 other kit variants for 7 different units..then they added a smaller model (which we already have with the current gargant!) And eventually added 2 more new kits (with a common sprue). 

The tricky thing is that those are robots.. it's fairly easy to pose them in a lot of different ways.   For an organic crearure, how do you enable different poses without a lot of wasted bits?  GW has already moved almost completely away from posability with most of their range, which has caused me to turn to a "only 1 of each kit" rule (which means my armies are not very good!) Because especially for gargants, I will not pay for or field a force where 2 Giants have the same pose. 

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7 hours ago, sorokyl said:

Thats the imperial knight model, and it was very very successful.  Started out as just a 1 kit army. That same kit was the foundation for 2 other kit variants for 7 different units..then they added a smaller model (which we already have with the current gargant!) And eventually added 2 more new kits (with a common sprue). 

The tricky thing is that those are robots.. it's fairly easy to pose them in a lot of different ways.   For an organic crearure, how do you enable different poses without a lot of wasted bits?  GW has already moved almost completely away from posability with most of their range, which has caused me to turn to a "only 1 of each kit" rule (which means my armies are not very good!) Because especially for gargants, I will not pay for or field a force where 2 Giants have the same pose. 

This is why I'm wondering if they will drop the Sons with 2 brand new kits and the Aleguzzlar will work the same as the Armiger in the Imperial Knights.

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14 hours ago, sorokyl said:

For an organic crearure, how do you enable different poses without a lot of wasted bits?  GW has already moved almost completely away from posability with most of their range, which has caused me to turn to a "only 1 of each kit" rule (which means my armies are not very good!) Because especially for gargants, I will not pay for or field a force where 2 Giants have the same pose. 

Yeah, this is a really interesting question, and I think it's going to be key to the success of the Behemat line. Organic creatures have to be more varied and dynamic than war engines in order to be "satisfying" - people will notice pose similarities much more acutely than with robots. I'm looking forward to seeing how GW addresses this, because they've proven their ability to be very innovative in model design but this is a big challenge.

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4 hours ago, Kadeton said:

Yeah, this is a really interesting question, and I think it's going to be key to the success of the Behemat line. Organic creatures have to be more varied and dynamic than war engines in order to be "satisfying" - people will notice pose similarities much more acutely than with robots. I'm looking forward to seeing how GW addresses this, because they've proven their ability to be very innovative in model design but this is a big challenge.

This will be interesting to see.

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Maybe we all can dream the Dream and GW will bring 5 to 6 different Kits with some meele and range Giants and a Leader. 
(who knows, maybe even a shaman or priest) 

i will pray to the mighty Gorkamorka for everyone of us ! 

 

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Maybe! To be honest, I'd really hope the Gargants aren't super specialised - ideally they'll (all) be able to at least participate in each of the active phases of the turn, i.e. all having some sort of command ability, spell, or prayer, as well as a ranged attack and a melee attack. Having some be more focused on range or melee would obviously be fine.

Wishlist: I want to see an action hero Gargant firing a Great Cannon in each hand. I want a hunter/falconer-type with a siege bow and a massive bird of prey (a Roc?) that they set on people. I want a brawler that's wielding a carriage in one hand and a team of screaming horses in the other. I want a giant priest, hunched over, carrying an entire uprooted church and steeple on his back and swinging a huge censer.

Man, there are so many cool things that could be done with Gargants. I expect to be a little disappointed in whatever actually gets released, because the limits of practicality are always a downer compared to imagination.

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1 minute ago, Kadeton said:

Maybe! To be honest, I'd really hope the Gargants aren't super specialised - ideally they'll (all) be able to at least participate in each of the active phases of the turn, i.e. all having some sort of command ability, spell, or prayer, as well as a ranged attack and a melee attack. Having some be more focused on range or melee would obviously be fine.

Wishlist: I want to see an action hero Gargant firing a Great Cannon in each hand. I want a hunter/falconer-type with a siege bow and a massive bird of prey (a Roc?) that they set on people. I want a brawler that's wielding a carriage in one hand and a team of screaming horses in the other. I want a giant priest, hunched over, carrying an entire uprooted church and steeple on his back and swinging a huge censer.

Man, there are so many cool things that could be done with Gargants. I expect to be a little disappointed in whatever actually gets released, because the limits of practicality are always a downer compared to imagination.

GET THIS PERSON A JOB ON THE DESIGN TEAM.

i never knew I wanted a steeple priest till this very moment 

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1 hour ago, Kadeton said:

I want a giant priest, hunched over, carrying an entire uprooted church and steeple on his back and swinging a huge censer.

You Man, are a genius !

I just can put myself into the line behind @TheadTheOgorSlayer  until this moment i did'nt knew i want to have a Priest like this! 

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3 hours ago, Kadeton said:

Maybe! To be honest, I'd really hope the Gargants aren't super specialised - ideally they'll (all) be able to at least participate in each of the active phases of the turn, i.e. all having some sort of command ability, spell, or prayer, as well as a ranged attack and a melee attack. Having some be more focused on range or melee would obviously be fine.

Wishlist: I want to see an action hero Gargant firing a Great Cannon in each hand. I want a hunter/falconer-type with a siege bow and a massive bird of prey (a Roc?) that they set on people. I want a brawler that's wielding a carriage in one hand and a team of screaming horses in the other. I want a giant priest, hunched over, carrying an entire uprooted church and steeple on his back and swinging a huge censer.

Man, there are so many cool things that could be done with Gargants. I expect to be a little disappointed in whatever actually gets released, because the limits of practicality are always a downer compared to imagination.

I too want a Siege Gargant with a bow. A surge Ballistae torn from a war machine that he just uses as a standard bow like it were nothing.

But ****** that Steeple Gargant sounds bloody amazing and perfect for AOS. Credit where credit is due mate that's an incredible idea.

I'd love to see a living scenery piece. A massive pack mule that isnt a mule but a Mammoth. Festooned on it's back are barrels of ale, weapons, armour, ammo. In gameplay it could make attacks and have high wounds but low saves but it gives a buff to Gargants near it.

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4 hours ago, Kadeton said:

Maybe! To be honest, I'd really hope the Gargants aren't super specialised - ideally they'll (all) be able to at least participate in each of the active phases of the turn, i.e. all having some sort of command ability, spell, or prayer, as well as a ranged attack and a melee attack. Having some be more focused on range or melee would obviously be fine.

Wishlist: I want to see an action hero Gargant firing a Great Cannon in each hand. I want a hunter/falconer-type with a siege bow and a massive bird of prey (a Roc?) that they set on people. I want a brawler that's wielding a carriage in one hand and a team of screaming horses in the other. I want a giant priest, hunched over, carrying an entire uprooted church and steeple on his back and swinging a huge censer.

Man, there are so many cool things that could be done with Gargants. I expect to be a little disappointed in whatever actually gets released, because the limits of practicality are always a downer compared to imagination.

If the Size of the new Gargants is matching, and there is a ranged version, you could easily convert a falconer with the giant eagles from LotR SbG

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1 hour ago, Charleston said:

If the Size of the new Gargants is matching, and there is a ranged version, you could easily convert a falconer with the giant eagles from LotR SbG

I'm hoping itll be inbetween the Bonegrinder and Ghorgon in size.

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From the last White dwarf  "titanic gargants"151874760_sonsofbehmat.jpg.6246750aeaeae34c126c6423bb49ed06.jpg

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1 hour ago, Fellman said:

From the last White dwarf  "titanic gargants"151874760_sonsofbehmat.jpg.6246750aeaeae34c126c6423bb49ed06.jpg

Titanic Gargants...my god this is going to be epic.

Is this the latest White Dwarf?

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Love the hints for the giants coming in.

I want this giant army to be great, will look amazing on the table across from my ogors haha

 

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22 minutes ago, Shankelton said:

Love the hints for the giants coming in.

I want this giant army to be great, will look amazing on the table across from my ogors haha

 

It's been a dream army of mine ever since I saw the Marauder Giant way back 20 years ago. To be this close to an announcement and release is driving my hype levels insane.

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actually with the Seraphon release, there a good chance the Bonegrinder Gargant may get the Dread Saurian treatment and get a upgraded warscroll when the army release

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21 hours ago, novakai said:

actually with the Seraphon release, there a good chance the Bonegrinder Gargant may get the Dread Saurian treatment and get a upgraded warscroll when the army release

Hopefully so, I've never been able to get my hands on a Bonegrinder.

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18 minutes ago, Public Universal Duardin said:

I've been trying to temper my hype, but the prospect of seeing Gargants tomorrow1 is just....mmmh!



1. I can say this as it's Friday where I live, hohhhohohoh! 

I've yet to be this hyped about a Warhammer release in my life. This has been a dream army of mine for over 20 years and I just cannot wait!!

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2 hours ago, KingBrodd said:

I've yet to be this hyped about a Warhammer release in my life. This has been a dream army of mine for over 20 years and I just cannot wait!!

Well, giants ARE scientifically proven* to be the most awesome of fantasy concepts...

* This was, in fact, not scientifically proven.

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6 hours ago, Public Universal Duardin said:

Well, giants ARE scientifically proven* to be the most awesome of fantasy concepts...

* This was, in fact, not scientifically proven.

Truly this is a fact.

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Most new armes ar based on a mixup of historc cultures. Wath do you think Sones of Bermhat wil be based on and what are your hopes? Im holding my thumbs for old Skandinavien gigants 

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