GhostShark Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 5 minutes ago, Taerg Ad Ywons said: Literally what I was saying, but you'd think it's time to set fire to our collections again given some of the reactions here... Yeah. Honestly, so many of the posts here in the last 24 hours have been really embarrassing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taerg Ad Ywons Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) I'm most likely never going to an official tournament, which is why I'm looking at the movement tray adapters. If I can find some that are reasonably priced in AUD I'll get some, but as it stands I'll need $138 (AUD) just to re-base everything for my orcs & gobs. I might just rebase and sit tight until the O+G release for TOW. 6th and 7th ed WHFB starters were part orc/gobbo, so hopefully GW releases both combined as their launch box. I say that partly because it'll mean plastic orc archers but also because both starters combined are a solid core for any Warboss. 6e: 16 orc archers, 18 orcs (2HW, 2/3 command), 1 chariot, 1 orc boss on boar. 7e: 2x 20 NG spearmen, 1x 20 NG archers, 1x NG boss, 1x NG shaman, 1x Troll, 10x spider riders. I doubt very much that it'll happen or even be affordable if it does, but that's a damn solid WAAAGH right there. The whole malding and seething today has left a bad taste in my mouth and has soured me a little on the community here. It's usually much more upbeat but yeah, today comes across like the launch of AoS, back in 2015. That being said, I don't know how old the other posters are, and I was well, literally almost a decade younger when AoS launched, so I get it somewhat. Edit: Forgot I had spear chukkas that require basing. Edited January 6 by Taerg Ad Ywons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShark Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) We don't know for sure, but I'd bet that as AoS armies receive changes in the future their models that get replaced/resculpted may show up in TOW. Over in the rumors thread it was suggested that if Beasts of Chaos get a big redo in AoS that replaces their existing like, the existing line would probably become exclusive to TOW. I wonder if the same might happen for Skaven? If the Skaven AOS rework is big enough to replace most of their line, I think its likely that the replaced models become the official TOW line, and Skaven eventually get the same TOW support as the main 9 factions. Same with Dark Elves. It seems very likely to me that as model ranges get phased out of AOS they'll gain support in TOW. But I guess there's no way to know for now and we'll have to wait and see. Edited January 6 by GhostShark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taerg Ad Ywons Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Three of the seven 'cut' factions have a big stake in Lustria (DE, Skaven and possibly Lizardmen, maybe 😉). Given that GW seem to be alluding to advancing the plot to the Siege of Praag, it might be that in the future they'll release a supplement/expansion covering Lustria. Daemons might make an appearance at the Siege, given how in Old World lore they were rarer (and subsequently stronger) than their 40k equivalents. Point being is that it's taken GW what, five years? to get to here- the re-launch of WHFB. AoS is almost ten years old and WHFB was in its 30s when it was canned. Give things some time and communicate to your group if you want to proxy/use 8th ed WHFB rules in place of the PDF lists. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Kim Woof-Woof Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Christ on a gondola... you'd think some people never heard of House Rules. They must be fun to play Monopoly with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrac Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, GhostShark said: But you can play them? They'll have official rules for TOW. So what is the actual problem? It was a meme, but... A legends army is an army that doesnt get updates nor is suported, as stated. It can either have useless rules like chorfs in AoS, or be broken. The fact is, the 9 core factions will get their updates and support, making Legends armies almost dead on arrival. So, when playing against one of those youll allways have the lower hand. Or do you really know any traitor guard players that arent using the CSM or AM codexes? Also, for the WAP fans: a big chunk of the fanbase is lazy and cant even tie their shoes whitout GWs approval. Yes, you can bring on home made rules, but good luck because in this playerbase you can find a lot of stonewalls if going into foreign communities (youd be surprised). Damn, the campaigns on our group of 40k are stalled bcs many players refuse to play the vainilla crusade rules, or homebrew ones for the matter. Even with the Fantasy community, probably the most opened to homebrew rules, theres allways itches, and a lot of guys that refuse to use their 6000 points armies because they hate AoS and the millonary enterprise told them Fantasy was dead. Youd be surprised (again) to know how many people is in that situation. And also, forbidden to go into tournaments. Alltho, I dont mind that very much, the gesture still sucks. And that, I must restate, is happenin with my old af skaven army that is a 98% Fantasy range, which is like telling me I cant drink a cocacola, here, have a Pepsi, pepsis are also cool, but youre not allowed to drink them at parties, and also your Pepsi was 6 days outside of the fridge. Edited January 6 by Garrac 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 I am just happy Warhammer is alive again. Everything what I have seen so far looks great (except the dismounted KotR). I am excited, our group of gamers who never attented any tournaments or played in stores with an average age of 40 are extremely happy. It sucks that there will be no Arcane Journals for Dark Elves, Vampire Counts and etc.. but it seems that they want a hard border between their two fantasy gaming systems. It also means that AoS will have some cool stuff, which is also great. Honestly I see not bad things at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShark Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 3 minutes ago, Garrac said: It was a meme, but... A legends army is an army that doesnt get updates nor is suported, as stated. It can either have useless rules like chorfs in AoS, or be broken. The fact is, the 9 core factions will get their updates and support, making Legends armies almost dead on arrival. So, when playing against one of those youll allways have the lower hand. Or do you really know any traitor guard players that arent using the CSM or AM codexes? Also, for the WAP fans: a big chunk of the fanbase is lazy and cant even tie their shoes whitout GWs approval. Yes, you can bring on home made rules, but good luck because in this playerbase you can find a lot of stonewalls if going into foreign communities (youd be surprised). Damn, the campaigns on our group of 40k are stalled bcs many players refuse to play the vainilla crusade rules, or homebrew ones for the matter. Even with the Fantasy community, probably the most opened to homebrew rules, theres allways itches, and a lot of guys that refuse to use their 6000 points armies because they hate AoS and the millonary enterprise told them Fantasy was dead. Youd be surprised (again) to know how many people is in that situation. And also, forbidden to go into tournaments. Alltho, I dont mind that very much, the gesture still sucks. And that, I must restate, is happenin with my old af skaven army that is a 98% Fantasy range, which is like telling me I cant drink a cocacola, here, have a Pepsi, pepsis are also cool, but youre not allowed to drink them at parties, and also your Pepsi was 6 days outside of the fridge. I'm really resistant to the idea that these armies are "dead on arrival". On arrival they'll have as much support as any other TOW army, bar the two that are getting arcane journals right away. In the past many WHFB armies went years without any kind of update at all. This doesn't seem different to me. And since TOW's core 9 armies are unlikely to have frequent updates anyway I'm not seeing this as much of an issue. Also, is it even a big deal? I plan on playing Dark Elves and Lizardmen and I'm not bothered by this at all. My rules will be available (for free!) and both armies have a deep model range to choose from. Yes, I won't be seeing regular updates for either army... but the constant codex/army book cycle we suffer from in other games isn't that appealing anyway. I'd rather have one stable list I can play for years. Plus, as I said above, I don't expect the rule for any TOW army to change or be updated very often. These armies are only "dead on arrival" if you insist they are. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taerg Ad Ywons Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Dead on arrival is hyperbole. Same wailing and gnashing of teeth like AoS 1e. 9/14 factions for WHFB/TOW is a large chunk so far. Remember GW has to keep in production stuff for each and every AoS faction, 40k faction, MESBG faction, HH faction, Specialist Game Faction. Remember Squats? They're back, in pog Votann form. 13 minutes ago, GhostShark said: In the past many WHFB armies went years without any kind of update at all. This doesn't seem different to me. And since TOW's core 9 armies are unlikely to have frequent updates anyway I'm not seeing this as much of an issue. Case in point, BRETONNIA. They had nothing, nothing since their 6th ed update. Hell, Dwarfs only got two, count'em two, new units between 6th ed and the end times. The gyrobomber and Irondrakes. Everything else was a plastic rendition of an existing unit. Orcs got the aracknarok spider and that was about it for new units. People forget (or don't know due to being new) that most Army edition updates were mostly plastic kits of previously metal models. New units were not as common, and we mostly a dual kit for the most part. As for the legitimacy of PDF armies, I'd be happy to throw down against an army using PDF rules. Know why? It's because I'm getting a game in and get to roll some animosity dice! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrac Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 minutes ago, Taerg Ad Ywons said: Dead on arrival is hyperbole. Same wailing and gnashing of teeth like AoS 1e. 9/14 factions for WHFB/TOW is a large chunk so far. Remember GW has to keep in production stuff for each and every AoS faction, 40k faction, MESBG faction, HH faction, Specialist Game Faction. Remember Squats? They're back, in pog Votann form. The skaven range is literally the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taerg Ad Ywons Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 And Eldar had to wait how long for plastic aspects outside of Dire Avengers? How long for the guardians update? Warp Spiders are literally the same second edition models. So yeah, I feel it for skaven but according to all reliable rumours, they are getting their massive overhaul this year with AoS 4e. Not sure why it's a Big Deal now, when we know they're getting an update soon. Not to mention that many, many AoS factions still have models dating back to 6e that aren't skaven. Chaos is still rocking marauders and spawn. Seraphon only recently revamps saurus and still have 6e skinks. Like, AoS came out 9yrs ago and we've yet to get a 2nd wave for Fyreslayers and Idoneth. All these factions aren't space marines, so they're going to be waiting a bit to get some love. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 +++MOD HAT ON+++ Yet again Im having to comment on an Old World discussion about being civil to one another. Stop. It. If you cant have a nice discussion without getting heated the thread will be locked for a period of time. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliman Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) So, how many people from TGA are going to "ban" this Legacy armies in their tournaments? Just for curiosity. Edited January 6 by Beliman 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 9 minutes ago, KingBrodd said: +++MOD HAT ON+++ Yet again Im having to comment on an Old World discussion about being civil to one another. Stop. It. If you cant have a nice discussion without getting heated the thread will be locked for a period of time. Why would you shut down discussion and on pre-order day? It has been heated but civil. People are passionate about it. Reading between the lines, this was always going to be the case. The focus is on The Old World at the moment. If it is a success, then you would hope that it expands to cover other other parts of the WHFB map and more factions will get more complete support in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrac Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Ok, so, on other topic, I think unboxing videos and stuff from previews should be airing in an hour and a half-ish. Im way less excited now, but at least Im curious to see full previews from the Lore of the rulebook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Yeah, I also don't get it. This is a heated but civil discussion. Lots of emotional feelings good and bad, but every post here was civil and with respect. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 13 minutes ago, Beliman said: So, how many of here are going to "ban" this Legacy armies in their tournaments? Just for curiosity. I think only the official GW tournaments. All the rest wil do like they always did and add somekind of tournament / balance pack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliman Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Just now, Tonhel said: I think only the official GW tournaments. All the rest wil do like they always did and add somekind of tournament / balance pack. Nice. So, unless you wanted to play in LVO, Nova, Warhammer World or your GW store has enough people to organize tournaments, nobody will be affected by that statemen that this armies are "not legal". Don't get me wrong, I think that's a bad move from GW, but as you said, just ignore GW and move on. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 minute ago, Beliman said: Nice. So, unless you wanted to play in LVO, Nova, Warhammer World or your GW store has enough people to organize tournaments, nobody will be affected by that statemen that this armies are "not legal". Don't get me wrong, I think that's a bad move from GW, but as you said, just ignore GW and move on. I never attented a tournament and I am never planning to do. But aren't the only official tournaments the ones that are hold in their own stores and Warhammer world? Aren't LVO, Nova and such things that host lots of tournaments for different games. So the organizers could provide a tournament pack with balance updates/restrictions like they always did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSalabean Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 I just pre ordered my tomb king set at my flgs. They didnt get an allocation for the other stuff unfortunately so heres hoping I can get some other kits at 10am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliman Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 14 minutes ago, Tonhel said: Aren't LVO, Nova and such things that host lots of tournaments for different games. No idea. But if that's the case, that makes this weird GW's decission less impactful for TOW Community. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandlemad Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Tbh the whole ‘GW tournament official’ mindset that some folks internalise has always been poison. For modelling, for painting, for rules, for general game interest and basic absolute to interact with others. Tournaments are fun but when a hyperliteral obsessive mindset arises that gets people to force themselves and others into boxes, it’s just awful. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrac Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 minutes ago, sandlemad said: Tbh the whole ‘GW tournament official’ mindset that some folks internalise has always been poison. For modelling, for painting, for rules, for general game interest and basic absolute to interact with others. Tournaments are fun but when a hyperliteral obsessive mindset arises that gets people to force themselves and others into boxes, it’s just awful. Yeah, it's come to a point that nowadays when playing 40k my rivals (and me) ask first if we want to play secondaries, because we know its a whole lot more of time reading the rulebook and using cards Btw I forgot to say, but sorry if anyone has felt hurt by any commentary of mine, let me tell you that my frustration is 100% directed to GW and just GW, one thousand sorries if u got misfire on a response or by reading me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brotherhood of Necros Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Good luck to everyone placing preorders today 🙌🏻 Enjoy the hype, and I hope you get all the bits and kits you’re looking for. I might try to pick up some Tomb Guard or Sepulchral Stalkers next month, just because I love the models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) I am in the waiting queue waiting for my place in the queue. Lol, what a strange website. Edit: I switched from the waiting queue (20 minutes) to the actual queue. More than an hour. That's ridiculous 😮 Edited January 6 by Tonhel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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