Lucur Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Azyros also delivers some MW with his lantern, if he can survive one turn within 8" of the enemy ^^ (he won't ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipersyn Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I'd appreciate some feedback my Anvil Sniper army: Stormhost: Anvils of the Heldenhammer Knight-Azyros, General (CT: Deathly Aura, A: Soulthief) 100pts Knight-Incantor (S: Celestial Blades) 140pts Lord-Relictor (P:Translocation) 100pts Lord-Ordinator 140pts Liberators x 5 100pts Liberators x 5 100pts Liberators x 5 100pts Celestar Ballista 110pts Celestar Ballista 110pts Celestar Ballista 110pts Aetherwings x 3 50pts Aetherwings x 3 50pts Vanguard-Raptors x 9 510pts Evocators x 5 (Tempest Blade/Stormstave; S: Celestial Blades) 220pts Extra Command Point 50pts 1990pts total As you can see, it's hyper-focused on shooting. But more so dropping either all the ballistas or raptors using Scions and double-taking using Heroes from another age command ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizrah Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 10 hours ago, snipersyn said: I'd appreciate some feedback my Anvil Sniper army: Stormhost: Anvils of the Heldenhammer Knight-Azyros, General (CT: Deathly Aura, A: Soulthief) 100pts Knight-Incantor (S: Celestial Blades) 140pts Lord-Relictor (P:Translocation) 100pts Lord-Ordinator 140pts Liberators x 5 100pts Liberators x 5 100pts Liberators x 5 100pts Celestar Ballista 110pts Celestar Ballista 110pts Celestar Ballista 110pts Aetherwings x 3 50pts Aetherwings x 3 50pts Vanguard-Raptors x 9 510pts Evocators x 5 (Tempest Blade/Stormstave; S: Celestial Blades) 220pts Extra Command Point 50pts 1990pts total As you can see, it's hyper-focused on shooting. But more so dropping either all the ballistas or raptors using Scions and double-taking using Heroes from another age command ability. I think this should work. Test it out and tell us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommissarRotke Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Today I saw a discussion on the subreddit, someone claimed there was a 24x raptor (2x12) Anvilstrike list? I have never seen any of y'all talk about having that many raptors, but they said it was in tournaments..? I can't find anything searching in the megathread but not sure how accurate searches are. @PJetski have you heard about a list like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NauticalSoup Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 56 minutes ago, CommissarRotke said: Today I saw a discussion on the subreddit, someone claimed there was a 24x raptor (2x12) Anvilstrike list? I have never seen any of y'all talk about having that many raptors, but they said it was in tournaments..? I can't find anything searching in the megathread but not sure how accurate searches are. @PJetski have you heard about a list like that? That sounds like a craaaaazy amount of raptors. Seems like nearly all the lists run 9 and maybe 12 on occasion (for longstrikes anyway). Like that's 1360 pts of raptors if they're using longstrikes. And that's before you also buy aetherwings and the extra CP to doubleshoot them all. That barely leaves enough points to satisfy battleline and leader requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipersyn Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 That is insane. 12x Longstrikes @ 680 pts 12x Longstrikes @ 680 pts Battleline at the cheapest would be: 5x Liberators @ 100pts 5x Liberators @ 100pts 5x Liberators @ 100pts add the eagles for screens: 3 aetherwings x 3 @ 50pts 3 aetherwings x 3 @ 50pts === that's already 1810 pts... extra CP before your first hero phase is 50 pts which brings you to 1860 pts. what would you chose for your General at 140 pts left? Knight Azyros or Knight Incantor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
readercolin Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 hours ago, CommissarRotke said: Today I saw a discussion on the subreddit, someone claimed there was a 24x raptor (2x12) Anvilstrike list? I have never seen any of y'all talk about having that many raptors, but they said it was in tournaments..? I can't find anything searching in the megathread but not sure how accurate searches are. @PJetski have you heard about a list like that? I haven't come across a similar build before. However, I'm betting that if anyone was using that, they were bringing a unit of 9-12 longstrikes, and then the remaining were running hurricane crossbows, probably deployed from the sky. An example list: Anvils Lord-Aquilor Knight-Vexilor or Lord-Relictor (translocation) Knight-Azyros or 2x3 aetherwings 3x5 Liberators 12 Longstrikes 2x6 Hurricane Crossbows command point (or 3 aetherwings) This list can have the longstrikes + vexilor/relictor deployed on the board and both units of hurricanes in the sky, with the rest of the list wherever it makes sense. Longstrikes hit key support pieces, and then the hurricanes can come down in range and demolish hordes and chaff, clearing the board for your liberators to control objectives. I would be really wary of running this list myself, as anyone that can evade your screen can easily get into the meat of the raptors. On the other hand, 12 longstrikes can do almost 30 damage a turn when used to double-tap, and 6 hurricanes do a bit over 14 damage to a save of - when they come down. Dropping the Vexilor/Relictor would also allow you to use 2 units of 12 longstrikes, and then you could dish out ~44 damage a turn by double-tapping with one of the units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommissarRotke Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Yeah the list sounded nonsensical, because of how lacking its support would be. I cannot find any other claim or even a mention of a list like this, and the LVO I saw mentioned had a basic 20 block sequitor list that won not 24 longstrikes... it's probably the most bizarre list I've seen someone tell a new player to go for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 19 hours ago, CommissarRotke said: Today I saw a discussion on the subreddit, someone claimed there was a 24x raptor (2x12) Anvilstrike list? I have never seen any of y'all talk about having that many raptors, but they said it was in tournaments..? I can't find anything searching in the megathread but not sure how accurate searches are. @PJetski have you heard about a list like that? I haven't heard of such an absurd list, but I think going all-in on shooting like that is a terrible idea. You need a good melee hammer unit that can push forward and clear objectives with charges. You also basically auto-lose if you have a realmscape that hinders shooting, like the LOS blocking terrain in Aqshy or range reduction in Ulgu. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 43 minutes ago, CommissarRotke said: Yeah the list sounded nonsensical, because of how lacking its support would be. I cannot find any other claim or even a mention of a list like this, and the LVO I saw mentioned had a basic 20 block sequitor list that won not 24 longstrikes... it's probably the most bizarre list I've seen someone tell a new player to go for Someone is actually running that kind of list in one of the qualifying tournaments for the French Cup Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals- Mortal Realm: Hysh - Stormhost: Anvils of the HeldenhammerLEADERSKnight-Vexillor (120)- Pennant of the Stormbringer - Artefact : SoulthiefLord-Relictor (100)- General - Command Trait : Deathly Aura - Artefact : Aetherquartz Brooch - Prayer : TranslocationUNITS5 x Liberators (100)- Warblade & Shield - 1 x Grandblades5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield - 1 x Grandhammers5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield - 1 x Grandhammers9 x Vanguard-Raptors with Hurricane Crossbows (420) 9 x Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows (510) 3 x Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows (170) 6 x Aetherwings (100) 3 x Aetherwings (50) 3 x Aetherwings (50)BATTALIONSVanguard Justicar Conclave (120)ENDLESS SPELLS / TERRAIN / COMMAND POINTSExtra Command Point (50) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucur Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 That's risky at best. I do understand the usage of msu hurricanes (the prime adds a large amount of damage compared to larger units if you don't double tap), they increase the action radius of aetherwings and they get the -1 charge bubble, which is nasty if there's an Incantor around. But i really can't see all those longstrikes work with too little screening and no believable melee threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipersyn Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 9 hours ago, Lucur said: That's risky at best. I do understand the usage of msu hurricanes (the prime adds a large amount of damage compared to larger units if you don't double tap), they increase the action radius of aetherwings and they get the -1 charge bubble, which is nasty if there's an Incantor around. But i really can't see all those longstrikes work with too little screening and no believable melee threat. I'd also add that while the Aetherquartz Brooch will provide chance to replace the spent CP (at +5), should that not happen during the first time Heroes of Another Age is executed - again I'm thinking the concept here is execute that ability at least 2x during the first Hero Phase for both units - the consistency runs thin after that since all the burden falls on the dice going your way when shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OIF4IDVET Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I have a question, how does everyone that runs a shootcast list deal with heavy melee armies? I’m struggling against orruks and bonereapers and ogres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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schwabbele Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 On 2/14/2020 at 8:51 PM, OIF4IDVET said: I have a question, how does everyone that runs a shootcast list deal with heavy melee armies? I’m struggling against orruks and bonereapers and ogres. Read this: https://shiftingobjectives.blogspot.com/2019/10/anvilstrike-tips-faq-updated-oct-25-2019.html , it's @PJetski blog about shootcast - like 10 times, then practice deploying your stuff , a lot. When you think you know what you are doing, practice more then get some games and see if you practiced enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommissarRotke Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 @PJetski Apologies for the 2nd ping but I just remembered the errata that specifies longstrike ability doesn't activate in the hero phase. Will you/do you need to update your Anvilstrike blog to reflect how this changes playing the list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrethegreat Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Here is a list I would love to play someday Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals- Stormhost: Anvils of the HeldenhammerLeadersLord-Aquilor (180)- General- Command Trait: Deathly Aura- Artefact: Strife-ender- Mount Trait: Wind RunnerKnight-Venator (120)- Artefact: SpellshieldKnight-Azyros (100)- Mystic Light (Artefact): Lantern of the TempestKnight-Zephyros (100)- Artefact: Blade of HeroesBattleline5 x Vanguard-Hunters (110)- Boltstorm Pistols and Shock Handaxes5 x Vanguard-Hunters (110)- Boltstorm Pistols and Shock Handaxes5 x Vanguard-Hunters (110)- Boltstorm Pistols and Storm SabresUnits3 x Vanguard-Palladors (180)- Boltstorm Pistols and Starstrike Javelins3 x Vanguard-Raptors with Hurricane Crossbows (140)3 x Vanguard-Raptors with Hurricane Crossbows (140)3 x Vanguard-Raptors with Hurricane Crossbows (140)3 x Aetherwings (50)3 x Aetherwings (50)3 x Aetherwings (50)BattalionsVanguard Auxiliary Chamber (140)Vanguard Angelos Conclave (160)Vanguard Justicar Conclave (120)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 3Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 103 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 On 2/21/2020 at 3:38 PM, CommissarRotke said: @PJetski Apologies for the 2nd ping but I just remembered the errata that specifies longstrike ability doesn't activate in the hero phase. Will you/do you need to update your Anvilstrike blog to reflect how this changes playing the list? I havent been playing AOS that much lately, so I can't offer much insight about this I probably won't update my blog any time soon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 On 2/21/2020 at 10:28 PM, Andrethegreat said: Here is a list I would love to play someday Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals- Stormhost: Anvils of the HeldenhammerLeadersLord-Aquilor (180)- General- Command Trait: Deathly Aura- Artefact: Strife-ender- Mount Trait: Wind RunnerKnight-Venator (120)- Artefact: SpellshieldKnight-Azyros (100)- Mystic Light (Artefact): Lantern of the TempestKnight-Zephyros (100)- Artefact: Blade of HeroesBattleline5 x Vanguard-Hunters (110)- Boltstorm Pistols and Shock Handaxes5 x Vanguard-Hunters (110)- Boltstorm Pistols and Shock Handaxes5 x Vanguard-Hunters (110)- Boltstorm Pistols and Storm SabresUnits3 x Vanguard-Palladors (180)- Boltstorm Pistols and Starstrike Javelins3 x Vanguard-Raptors with Hurricane Crossbows (140)3 x Vanguard-Raptors with Hurricane Crossbows (140)3 x Vanguard-Raptors with Hurricane Crossbows (140)3 x Aetherwings (50)3 x Aetherwings (50)3 x Aetherwings (50)BattalionsVanguard Auxiliary Chamber (140)Vanguard Angelos Conclave (160)Vanguard Justicar Conclave (120)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 3Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 103 What's the point of playing Anvils with this list ? You don't benefit much since you've only got a 3 man unit able to use the CA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrethegreat Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 17 hours ago, Maturin said: What's the point of playing Anvils with this list ? You don't benefit much since you've only got a 3 man unit able to use the CA. Anvils will let me shoot or pile in on my hero phase, I may have only 3 men in each raptor unit but each unit will let me roll 30 dice, So! if I shoot in my hero phase with one Raptor unit, that is 30 dice on a enemy unit, spend a command point and do it again. that is 30 more dice, Now it is my shooting phase with that same unit, that is another 30 dice, from that one 3 man Raptor unit. I put a total of 90 dice into a enemy unit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 35 minutes ago, Andrethegreat said: Anvils will let me shoot or pile in on my hero phase, I may have only 3 men in each raptor unit but each unit will let me roll 30 dice, So! if I shoot in my hero phase with one Raptor unit, that is 30 dice on a enemy unit, spend a command point and do it again. that is 30 more dice, Now it is my shooting phase with that same unit, that is another 30 dice, from that one 3 man Raptor unit. I put a total of 90 dice into a enemy unit. I might be wrong but I think most people consider the FAQ about longstrikes to apply also to hurricanes? So they would only have 18 attacks when shooting in the hero phase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 55 minutes ago, Andrethegreat said: f I shoot in my hero phase with one Raptor unit, that is 30 dice on a enemy unit, spend a command point and do it again. that is 30 more dice. A unit can only benefit once a turn from the Anvil's CA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) Maturin and Marcvs are correct, Hurricanes don't get bonus shots in the hero phase and you can't use the Anvils CA on the same unit twice in one turn Edited March 10, 2020 by PJetski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrethegreat Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, PJetski said: Maturin and Marcvs are correct, Hurricanes don't get bonus shots in the hero phase and you can't use the Anvils CA on the same unit twice in one turn Can any of you, tell me where this is in the rule book or the battletome book, Because. I can't find it but in the battletome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Andrethegreat said: Can any of you, tell me where this is in the rule book or the battletome book, Because. I can't find it but in the battletome? It's in the FAQ/errata. You can find them on the Warhammer community website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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