Trayanee Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Tiriom said: What makes you think you couldn’t use him as generic? I’m genuinely curious because he looks pretty standard, just like when I have multiple primes and combine units and just let my opponent know who the prime is. I personally love this approach I mean most people complain about cost of the hobby. Seems like a nice way to give us more options in one kit usable multiple ways. I don't think it gives you more options. Imagine you only want a Lord Arcanum on Dracoline. If there wasn't Astreia available, you would have to buy a box of three EoDs, build your Lord of one of them and put the other two in your bit box, because unit size for EoDs is 3 (or 6 etc.). Its the same as Nurgle Lord of Afflictions but worse because you have 2/3 and not 1/2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiriom Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Trayanee said: I don't think it gives you more options. Imagine you only want a Lord Arcanum on Dracoline. If there wasn't Astreia available, you would have to buy a box of three EoDs, build your Lord of one of them and put the other two in your bit box, because unit size for EoDs is 3 (or 6 etc.). Its the same as Nurgle Lord of Afflictions but worse because you have 2/3 and not 1/2. I agree if soulbright wasn’t available but she is so I feel like it’s a non issue. Besides I foresee games where you’d use an LA but not necessarily the evos on dracoline or vice versa Edited July 9, 2018 by Tiriom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) I'll run my Astreia "counts as" Lord Arcanum on Dracoline because there's no way in hell I'm paying for a full box of Dracolines to get one hero. Edited July 9, 2018 by PJetski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chord Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I think the Knight Venator's new wording for the star fated arrow means it would work with the Bless Weapons right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erdemo86 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) I thought alot about competive list building last days and i think now where mixed order is not so good anymore, the best place for a Frostheart Phoenix is as ally in a Stormcast army. I came up with this: Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsLeadersAnointed Of Asuryan On Frostheart Phoenix (280)- AlliesLord-Arcanum on Gryph-Charger (240)- General- Trait: Staunch Defender - Celestial Staves (Artefact): Staff of FocusLord-Castellant (100)Knight-Heraldor (100)Knight-Incantor (140)Battleline5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows20 x Sequitors (400)- Stormsmite Mauls and Soulshields5 x Sequitors (120)- Stormsmite Mauls and SoulshieldsUnits3 x Evocators on Dracolines (300)Endless SpellsEverblaze Comet (100)Chronomantic Cogs (60)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 280 / 400Wounds: 110 what do you guys think? Edited July 9, 2018 by Erdemo86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledha Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 5 hours ago, Stridarion said: I love the new scion rules. Made 2 charges of 9" but can't count on that on average. What are our charge buff options? Gavriel give +3 to charge around him. The vexxilior give reroll to charge in a huge area. The endless spells cogs can give a +2 to run/charge on the map. Dracoline have native reroll charge 5 hours ago, Erdemo86 said: The evocators can have a staff, is it worth it? It's better than the sword against 4+, 5+ and 6+ save. But it look worse 1 hour ago, barjed said: Got two more questions. Celestant-Prime, while being a unique character, can benefit from the stormhost bonuses, correct? Does the Shock and Awe trigger on Aquilor's teleporting shenanigans? If so, that seems like a direct buff to Palladors. Yes and yes. Every set-up benefit from shock and awe, so a Aquilor and some Pallador can be really annoying with some lucky charges 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Why take the cogs and risk failing the spell (or having it unbound) when you can just use Gavriels command ability twice for +6" charge, or even three times for a +9" guaranteed charge? Gavriel + deep strike charges is going to be a huge part of the new meta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galdar777 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I noticed reading the new tome that there are quite a few ways to reduce bravery. Would a bravery bomb style list be competitive in any way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatherTurin Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 On 7/7/2018 at 5:40 AM, Bellfree said: They can be taken in other stormhosts, look at Lady Atia's blog for confirmation. Second, most of the named heroes are really iffy anyway. Neave is solid but works just fine without the Hammers' tactics(and is still better than the generic Zephyros), Gavriel I guess is really strong after the rewrite and Vandus is actually a consideration now but Astreai and The mage guy aren't anything special compared to the generic guys. Basically, the special characters aren't good enough to be a 'swaying' factor unless you already really like the Hammers of Sigmar stormhost rules. I agree with you on all of this except for Aventis. That dude gets the following over a normal Lord-Arcanum on a Tauralon: +1 mount attack 5+ mortal wounds on enemies that wound him in melee heal one wound a turn Cast and Unbind 2 spells instead of 1 A spell that is either better or (at worst) a sidegrade A command ability that is more universally useful All of that for only 20 points more. You don't get to give him a command trait or relic, but you don't have to make him your general, and to gain the benefit of his command ability you have to be Hammers of Sigmar (or use it on himself). I really do think he is a straight upgrade across the board for the generic Lord on Tauralon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erdemo86 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) Ups Edited July 9, 2018 by Erdemo86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 17 minutes ago, Galdar777 said: I noticed reading the new tome that there are quite a few ways to reduce bravery. Would a bravery bomb style list be competitive in any way? I was thinking the same thing. It would look something like this: Grand Convocation LADracoline - General (+1 attack), Terrifying Aspect (-1 Bravery), Banshee Blade, Pride Leader, Dracoline (-1 Bravery) Incantor Incantor Exorcist (spell based on bravery) Celestant Prime (-2 bravery the turn he comes in) Veritant - God King’s Aspect (-1 bravery), Shriving Light (-1 bravery, -2 if CHAOS) 5x Sequitor 5x Sequitor 5x Sequitor Decimators (-2 bravery in battleshock phase) Gravetide (-1 bravery) Ravening Jaws (-1 bravery) 1880/2000 You can potentially give an enemy unit -10 bravery, -11 if its CHAOS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sev Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 28 minutes ago, PJetski said: Gavriel + deep strike charges is going to be a huge part of the new meta. Can we use him in a non Hammers of Sigmar army ? I'm having hard times to fully understand what can or can't get used in a SE army without Stormhost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sev said: Can we use him in a non Hammers of Sigmar army ? I'm having hard times to fully understand what can or can't get used in a SE army without Stormhost. You can, but he only effects units with HAMMERS OF SIGMAR keyword Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galdar777 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, PJetski said: I was thinking the same thing. It would look something like this: Grand Convocation LADracoline - General (+1 attack), Terrifying Aspect (-1 Bravery), Banshee Blade, Pride Leader, Dracoline (-1 Bravery) Incantor Incantor Exorcist (spell based on bravery) Celestant Prime (-2 bravery the turn he comes in) Veritant - God King’s Aspect (-1 bravery), Shriving Light (-1 bravery, -2 if CHAOS) 5x Sequitor 5x Sequitor 5x Sequitor Decimators (-2 bravery in battleshock phase) Gravetide (-1 bravery) Ravening Jaws (-1 bravery) 1880/2000 You can potentially give an enemy unit -10 bravery, -11 if its CHAOS The dracolions have a intimidating roar too for another -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sev Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 minute ago, PJetski said: You can, but he only effects units with HAMMERS OF SIGMAR keyword So i got to choose HAMMERS OF SIGMAR Stormhost,(and use the Command trait, etc from it) right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Galdar777 said: The dracolions have a intimidating roar too for another -1 I accounted for the Dracoline ability Just now, Sev said: So i got to choose HAMMERS OF SIGMAR Stormhost,(and use the Command trait, etc from it) right? If you want to use Gavriels command ability on the rest of your army, yes. Edited July 9, 2018 by PJetski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sev Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Erdemo86 said: the Game was pretty much over... So everyone who said we got nerfed,till yesterday i lost last 3 games i played against him so far... except that, if i'm right, by choosing the Hammers of Sigmar stormhost, you couldn't use the staff as artefact (since you didnt had any batallion) Correct? 4 minutes ago, PJetski said: If you want to use Gavriels command ability on the rest of your army, yes. Thanks ❤️ Edited July 9, 2018 by Sev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadanga Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sev said: except that, if i'm right, by choosing the Hammers of Sigmar stormhost, you couldn't use the staff as artefact (since you didnt had any batallion) Correct? That is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielFM Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 hour ago, chord said: I think the Knight Venator's new wording for the star fated arrow means it would work with the Bless Weapons right? Yes, the combo is definitely legal. Too unreliable to expect a 6 in the single turn you can use the arrow. You can use the Luckstone to get that guaranteed 6, but at this point the investment is huge (artifact, Lord Relictor and 4+ prayer). The payoff is huge, though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverJelly Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) Has anyone looked at a Heavy Cav list using 2x 3 EoVs, Palladors 6, Hurricanum, Everblaze and Lord Aquilor, Liberators as Battleline. The mortal wound output seems really good with the Lord Aquilor and Palladors taking pot shots and constesting the rear and flanks of my opponent. I normally run Free People and its REALLY strange not having 170 models on the tabel. Edited July 9, 2018 by SilverJelly Added info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzra Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I think some of the stormhosts are actually quite good overall. Tempest lords, Celestial Vindicators, heldenhammer all look pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galdar777 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, SilverJelly said: Has anyone looked at a Heavy Cav list using 2x 3 EoVs, Palladors 6, Hurricanum, Everblaze and Lord Aquilor, Liberators as Battleline. The mortal wound output seems really good with the Lord Aquilor and Palladors taking pot shots and constesting the rear and flanks of my opponent. I normally run Free People and its REALLY strange not having 170 models on the tabel. I have thought about it. I came up with a celestant on dracoth. Three units of five liberators. 4 fulminators, 6 paladors, 6 evocators on dracolins. Think that’s 2k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyanix0 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Having some fun building a new list, although similar to others, whats people's thoughts on this: Leaders Lord Arcanum on Turalon (General) - God Forged Blade Lord Ordinator Knight Incator - Staff of Focus Knight Vexilor Battleline 5x Sequitors 5x Sequitors 5x Sequitors Units 5x Evocators 5x Evocators 3x Castigators Artillery Celestar Basllista Celestar Basllista Endless Spell Everblaze Comet Batallion Cleansing Phallanx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSwordmaster Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 4 hours ago, robinlvalentine said: Are there any allies you guys think make sense for Stormcast in the new edition, or are you still mostly better off sticking just to their own units? I think you are better off with sticking to a pure Stormcast list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielFM Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 34 minutes ago, Cyanix0 said: Having some fun building a new list, although similar to others, whats people's thoughts on this: Leaders Lord Arcanum on Turalon (General) - God Forged Blade Lord Ordinator Knight Incator - Staff of Focus Knight Vexilor Battleline 5x Sequitors 5x Sequitors 5x Sequitors Units 5x Evocators 5x Evocators 3x Castigators Artillery Celestar Basllista Celestar Basllista Endless Spell Everblaze Comet Batallion Cleansing Phallanx Sounds nice! But the Ordinator is not really worth it with less than three Ballistas. What about 3 Hurricane Raptors instead? Or a Lord-Veritant for unbind+prayer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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