peasant Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Tasman said: Or this .Allegiance: NurgleLeadersHorticulous Slimux (220)Verminlord Corruptor (220)- Artefact: The Endless Gift - Lore of Virulence: Sumptuous PestilenceSorcerer (120)- General- Trait: Grandfather's Blessing - Artefact: Muttergrub - Lore of Malignance: Blades of PutrefactionBattleline5 x Chaos Warriors (90)- Halberd & Shield5 x Chaos Warriors (90)- Halberd & Shield5 x Chaos Warriors (90)- Halberd & ShieldUnits1 x Beasts Of Nurgle (100)1 x Beasts Of Nurgle (100)1 x Beasts Of Nurgle (100)3 x Plague Drones (200)3 x Plague Drones (200)3 x Plague Drones (200)BattalionsNurgle's Menagerie (240)Endless SpellsSoulsnare Shackles (20)Total: 1990 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 122 What is Your goal with This List?summoning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasman Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 1 hour ago, peasant said: What is Your goal with This List?summoning? Well, yeah. I don't think it's competitive, but could be fun. I currently am a kind of "first hit's free" kind of guy at our local GW. I play a lot of noobs so I think it's list that would show a lot of the different demographics of the game. I'm afraid that it may even be a bit too strong for that role, what with all those drones..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasant Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tasman said: Well, yeah. I don't think it's competitive, but could be fun. I currently am a kind of "first hit's free" kind of guy at our local GW. I play a lot of noobs so I think it's list that would show a lot of the different demographics of the game. I'm afraid that it may even be a bit too strong for that role, what with all those drones..... Nice! You Can Split The drones, You Get Staying power and looks less threatening Edited July 26, 2018 by peasant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal4m4nd3r Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) Hey guys, I need some help with my competitive list I'll be bringing to NOVA I Think I am going with a blight cyst.. even though I am still hesitant about its effectiveness vs the cost. It seems the most competitive now that plaguetouched is gone. Removing The glotkin from the list WONT happen. He is an auto include for me not soley on effectiveness but as my centerpiece and a HUGE conversion I will be doing. Questions 1: I am hesitant about the harbingers effectiveness in this list. I can decide if he is worth it or if I should take an extra 5 blightkings....? Being able to take the witherstave is kind of the tipping point for me to keep him in. Also because I would waste the second artifact.. That and I spent a butt load of time on a kick a$$ conversion >_< Questions 2: With 80 points leftover should I take a 20/30 point endless spell +1 cp (shackles, palisade, or malevolent maelstrom - avoiding the swords as I am chaos) or a Plague priest. Here is the list..its pretty basic I guess. Allegiance: NurgleMortal Realm: GhyranLeadersThe Glottkin (420)- Lore of Malignance: Blades of PutrefactionHarbinger of Decay (160)- General- Trait: Grandfather's Blessing - Artefact: The Witherstave Lord of Blights (140)- Artefact: Rustfang Gutrot Spume (140)Battleline10 x Putrid Blightkings (320)5 x Putrid Blightkings (160)5 x Putrid Blightkings (160)40 x Chaos Marauders (200)- Axes & ShieldsBattalionsBlight Cyst (220)Total: 1920 / 2000Extra Command Points: 2Wounds: 159 I'm kind of waffling on either this list or the one I posted a while back with Glotkin, gutrot, Festus, Chaos Lord on demonic mount, 10 kings, 5 kings, 5 kings, 40 maruaders, 10 knights with glaives. (no battalion) Edited July 27, 2018 by sal4m4nd3r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Schmidt Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 20 hours ago, Tasman said: Well, yeah. I don't think it's competitive, but could be fun. I currently am a kind of "first hit's free" kind of guy at our local GW. I play a lot of noobs so I think it's list that would show a lot of the different demographics of the game. I'm afraid that it may even be a bit too strong for that role, what with all those drones..... It certainly looks fun. I like Sumptuous Pestilence on the Verminlord a lot, his mobility and base size really give that spell some punch. The Chaos Warriors have a tax feel, but I get why you went with them. I've been liking Plaguebearers in small units to act as chaff. In the right build it isn't hard to get them where you want them. Summoning seems very legit with this list. The additional Contagion points can go pretty far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Schmidt Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 hour ago, sal4m4nd3r said: Questions 1: I am hesitant about the harbingers effectiveness in this list. I can decide if he is worth it or if I should take an extra 5 blightkings....? Being able to take the witherstave is kind of the tipping point for me to keep him in. Also because I would waste the second artifact.. That and I spent a butt load of time on a kick a$$ conversion >_< Questions 2: With 80 points leftover should I take a 20/30 point endless spell +1 cp (shackles, palisade, or malevolent maelstrom - avoiding the swords as I am chaos) or a Plague priest. Here is the list..its pretty basic I guess. A1: Witherstave is worth keeping a character in there with it. Chaos Sorcerer Lord? Harbinger is pretty cool, but other options are cool as well. A2: Palisade + CP I think would be best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5kaven5lave Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Is Witherstave generally favoured over Rustfang now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grungolah Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 36 minutes ago, 5kaven5lave said: Is Witherstave generally favoured over Rustfang now? Not for me, but I appreciate the Witherstave's simplicity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke1705 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 hour ago, 5kaven5lave said: Is Witherstave generally favoured over Rustfang now? I mean it has a much larger aura, can affect multiple units at the same time, and works even if you don't go before they attack...so yeah I'd say it's universally better. Especially in an army where there can be multiple debuffs and many units hit on 4's for their attacks natively. Try it out with geminids and the lord of blights and suddenly your big squad of marauders/plaguebearers are getting hit on sixes....and the enemy has to re-roll sixes to hit. It's mean to the point where I wouldn't do it in a friendly game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke1705 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 3 hours ago, sal4m4nd3r said: Hey guys, I need some help with my competitive list I'll be bringing to NOVA I Think I am going with a blight cyst.. even though I am still hesitant about its effectiveness vs the cost. It seems the most competitive now that plaguetouched is gone. Removing The glotkin from the list WONT happen. He is an auto include for me not soley on effectiveness but as my centerpiece and a HUGE conversion I will be doing. Questions 1: I am hesitant about the harbingers effectiveness in this list. I can decide if he is worth it or if I should take an extra 5 blightkings....? Being able to take the witherstave is kind of the tipping point for me to keep him in. Also because I would waste the second artifact.. That and I spent a butt load of time on a kick a$$ conversion >_< Questions 2: With 80 points leftover should I take a 20/30 point endless spell +1 cp (shackles, palisade, or malevolent maelstrom - avoiding the swords as I am chaos) or a Plague priest. Here is the list..its pretty basic I guess. I think you're right that the blight cyst is our best one drop or very low drop possibility, but I'm not a fan of it in general. Too expensive for the points IMO. Harbinger is very good but you have a lot of command abilities that you want to use and not enough command points to do so turn after turn, so their effectiveness is not going to be as good. Bring Geminids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Schmidt Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Its a good sign that its hard to choose between the rustfang and the witherstave. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke1705 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Aaron Schmidt said: Its a good sign that its hard to choose between the rustfang and the witherstave. Tbh I don't even rank rustfang as the top choice after the wither stave. The carrion dirge is SO NICE. But then again, I'm running an Archaon list, so giving some unit -4 to bravery can be ridiculously savage. (for the record, I don't use the carrion dirge because I don't use a battalion [RIP Plaguetouched warband], but if PTWB ever became Nurgle again, in less than two seconds I would pick up the Dirge again without a second thought) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke1705 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Salamander, If I had to bring a Nurgle list with the Glot (and indeed he is my top choice for a single Nurgle HQ), I would just pay the points for Plaguebearers. Being able to be battleshock immune for a turn can be absolutely game-winning, so I would probably just try to sit at 1950 so that if you need it, that's great. I might even try to sit at 1900 so that I could use the Lord of Blights to make someone REALLY sad vs the frontline plaguebearers on a key turn (-4/-2, re-rolling sixes to hit from the witherstave) Glot - 420 Gutrot - 140 Lord of Blights - 140 Mounted Sorcerer Lord - 160 30 Plaguebearers - 320 40 marauders - 200 15 blight kings - 480 Geminids - 40 1900 on the nose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal4m4nd3r Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Luke1705 said: I think you're right that the blight cyst is our best one drop or very low drop possibility, but I'm not a fan of it in general. Too expensive for the points IMO. Harbinger is very good but you have a lot of command abilities that you want to use and not enough command points to do so turn after turn, so their effectiveness is not going to be as good. Bring Geminids Very lucid advice. I plan on using EITHER the LoB or Harbinger command abilities. Both together seems like overkill. The LoB is there as a req for the battalion and its nice he can use the rustfang.. which I view as top tier artifacts. With units being in assault turn 2, triggering in the combat phase AFTER moving and charging, along with not needing a dice roll (like favoured poxes, and curse of the leper) is INCREDIBLY useful. And in a blight cyst your kings are EFFECTIVELY rend -2! Im am considering dropping the Harbinger for a poxbringer, giving him the favoured poxes and the witherstave, rolling the extra 40 points into the +80 I'm at for 120 and seeing what I could do with that. But glotty with a 4+/5++ and the ten kings nearby with a 5++ also make them devastating. For discussion: Is -1 to hit in combat better/the same/worse then having an extra 5++ "feel no pain" save??? I guess it depends on what is attacking you... and in that case which is better vs what type of attacks/enemy units?? Edited July 27, 2018 by sal4m4nd3r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRogalDorn Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Attacks vs a 4+ save unit. 20 4+/3+/-/1 attacks 5+++ save: 2.2+/-1.4 -1 to hit: 2.2+/-1.4 60 4+/4+/-1/1 dmg attacks 5+++ save: 6.7 +/- 2.4 -1 to hit: 6.7 +/- 2.4 12 3+/3+/-2/3 dmg attacks 5+++ save: 8.9 +/- 3.8 -1 to hit: 10 +/- 4.7 20 3+/3+/-1/2 dmg attacks 5+++ save: 7.9 +/-3.2 -1 to hit: 8.9 +/- 3.7 3 3+/3+/-2/1d6 dmg attacks 5+++ save: 2.6 +/- 2.5 -1 to hit: 2.93 +/- 3.1 3 3+/3+/-1/1d3 dmg attacks 5+++ save: 1.2 +/- 1.3 -1 to hit: 1.3 +/- 1.6 Attacks vs a 5+ save unit. 20 4+/3+/-/1 attacks 5+++ save: 3+/-1.6 -1 to hit: 3.3+/-1.7 60 4+/4+/-1/1 dmg attacks 5+++ save: 8.3 +/- 2.7 -1 to hit: 8.3 +/- 2.7 12 3+/3+/-2/3 dmg attacks 5+++ save: 10.7 +/- 3.9 -1 to hit: 12 +/- 4.9 20 3+/3+/-1/2 dmg attacks 5+++ save: 9.9 +/-3.4 -1 to hit: 11.1 +/- 4 3 3+/3+/-2/1d6 dmg attacks 5+++ save: 3.1 +/- 2.6 -1 to hit: 3.5 +/- 3.3 3 3+/3+/-1/1d3 dmg attacks 5+++ save: 1.5 +/- 1.4 -1 to hit: 1.7 +/- 1.7 I hope you all find this useful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasant Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Hello, IVE Just played My First Game with a plagueTouched warband... ITS Awesome! It was Against LoNagash with Arkham morghasts Vampire,Necromancer, grave guard and 2 Big Units of skellies. -1 to hit is Totally a Blast! I even didnt Bring a wizard but It was Not needed because outros blightkings Were Killing Everything and Arkham has to flee Until My General a Lord of plagues with ghyrStrike Killed It. Too Bad 2nd Time I played gutrot 2nd time We choose The Mission total commitment so no deploying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasman Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 47 minutes ago, peasant said: Hello, IVE Just played My First Game with a plagueTouched warband... ITS Awesome! It was Against LoNagash with Arkham morghasts Vampire,Necromancer, grave guard and 2 Big Units of skellies. -1 to hit is Totally a Blast! I even didnt Bring a wizard but It was Not needed because outros blightkings Were Killing Everything and Arkham has to flee Until My General a Lord of plagues with ghyrStrike Killed It. Too Bad 2nd Time I played gutrot 2nd time We choose The Mission total commitment so no deploying. What was your list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasant Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 27 minutes ago, Tasman said: What was your list? this one! Allegiance: ChaosMortal Realm: GhyranLord of Plagues (140)- General- Trait: Malicious Conqueror- Artefact: Ghyrstrike Lord of Afflictions (220)- Artefact: Wand of Restoration Gutrot Spume (140)15 x Chaos Warriors (270)- Halberd & Shield5 x Chaos Warriors (90)- Hand Weapon & Shield5 x Putrid Blightkings (160)5 x Putrid Blightkings (160)5 x Putrid Blightkings (160)Plaguetouched Warband (160)Total: 1500 / 2000Extra Command Points: 11Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 122 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasman Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 30 minutes ago, peasant said: this one! Allegiance: ChaosMortal Realm: GhyranLord of Plagues (140)- General- Trait: Malicious Conqueror- Artefact: Ghyrstrike Lord of Afflictions (220)- Artefact: Wand of Restoration Gutrot Spume (140)15 x Chaos Warriors (270)- Halberd & Shield5 x Chaos Warriors (90)- Hand Weapon & Shield5 x Putrid Blightkings (160)5 x Putrid Blightkings (160)5 x Putrid Blightkings (160)Plaguetouched Warband (160)Total: 1500 / 2000Extra Command Points: 11Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 122 Looks pretty good. I just hate the idea of giving up all the Nurgle Alliance stuff...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasant Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Tasman said: Looks pretty good. I just hate the idea of giving up all the Nurgle Alliance stuff...... Yes, but I Still Feel It a Nurgle Army, but a less daemonic One. Very resistent but Maybe I Should Drop 10 Chaos Warriors and Add a harbinger, I Ended up using 3 CP in LoPlagues Command ability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zplash Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) Any ideas of a competetive nurgle daemon list? Trying to avoid the blightking train a little bit I am definitely aware that daemons only competetive strategy right now is playing the objectives. Still difficult to find the right mix and heros for a competetive daemon list. Maybe even a tallyband could be worth it. If my enemy is first on the objectives the game is already kind of over for me because i have nothing to push him away anymore. What are your experiences with our daemon friends Edited July 29, 2018 by Zplash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalDachshund Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) The list I've used in last two local (16 and 22 players). Ended respectively 1st and 3rd Allegiance: Chaos Great Unclean One (340) - Plaue Flail & Massive Bilesword Great Unclean One (340) - Plaue Flail & Massive Bilesword Rotigus (340) 10 x Plaguebearers (120) 10 x Plaguebearers (120) 30 x Plaguebearers (320) 3 x Nurglings (100) 3 x Plague Drones (200) Thricefold Befoulment (120) Total: 2000 / 2000 Extra Command Points: 1 Allies: 0 / 400 Wounds: 125 You can swap Nurglings for Endless spells should your tournament allows it (mirror and cogs) Once you do a bell+cogs+tree and sit on the objective, no force can move yours from there. The added bonus of MW flying across the table, 3D3 MW off Thricefold and overall nurglines Edited July 29, 2018 by RoyalDachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasman Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, peasant said: Yes, but I Still Feel It a Nurgle Army, but a less daemonic One. Very resistent but Maybe I Should Drop 10 Chaos Warriors and Add a harbinger, I Ended up using 3 CP in LoPlagues Command ability Yeah, he's pretty much a staple with the PTWB. I'm assuming that you're playing this in non-competitive settings. The PTWB only exists in the Everchosen battletome. Therefore, it is impossible to legally build a match play list as all of your units, excepting those with the 'ever chosen' keyword would count as allies.? Still, it's fun for practice games and 'just playing'. Edited July 29, 2018 by Tasman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasman Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Zplash said: Any ideas of a competetive nurgle daemon list? Trying to avoid the blightking train a little bit I am definitely aware that daemons only competetive strategy right now is playing the objectives. Still difficult to find the right mix and heros for a competetive daemon list. Maybe even a tallyband could be worth it. If my enemy is first on the objectives the game is already kind of over for me because i have nothing to push him away anymore. What are your experiences with our daemon friends Yup, the new GHB really put the screws to all demons lists across all alliances...... It appears that the new approach is to include them by summoning. You can definitely include the heroes', i.e. GUO, LoA , Slimux, etc and then drop units of PBs and single beasts, bases of nurglings near objectives and annoy the **** out of your opponent. Demon lists should always, IMO, include drones at the outset. Their speed and punch can't be left off for summoning. I also think that the garden and tall band can be made to work. Just not sure how competitive of a player you are. More experienced players will easily take those down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zplash Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 hour ago, RoyalDachshund said: The list I've used in last two local (16 and 22 players). Ended respectively 1st and 3rd Allegiance: Chaos Great Unclean One (340) - Plaue Flail & Massive Bilesword Great Unclean One (340) - Plaue Flail & Massive Bilesword Rotigus (340) 10 x Plaguebearers (120) 10 x Plaguebearers (120) 30 x Plaguebearers (320) 3 x Nurglings (100) 3 x Plague Drones (200) Thricefold Befoulment (120) Total: 2000 / 2000 Extra Command Points: 1 Allies: 0 / 400 Wounds: 125 You can swap Nurglings for Endless spells should your tournament allows it (mirror and cogs) Once you do a bell+cogs+tree and sit on the objective, no force can move yours from there. The added bonus of MW flying across the table, 3D3 MW off Thricefold and overall nurglines Thx for that input. Played such a list yesterday vs a death list with arkhan... you can imagine what happened... 5 round game and I managed to cast the 3D3 spell once. And objectives got swarmed by 2x 40 blops of skelletons i couldnt get more models into range than he did. But I guess Death is a though match up either way for daemons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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