TheKingInYellow Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Just now, Thostos said: Humm,,wonder what they will do about the Balewind then.. Balewind needs a total rewrite anyhow. It's ridiculously good for certain armies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsharitt Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 1 minute ago, VoodooChileIRL said: I assume they're referring to the permanent magic stuff, but ohh if they're not... I like the change to summoning, though I say that as someone who doesn't have an army that ever made use of the Summoning Mechanics. Still though I don't see the harm in now allowing you to take your full points allocation AND then add to them by doing thematic things on the battlefield. The magic models does make sense, except that not every faction has magic, but yeah it's probably magic and either they mean nearly every faction, or maybe there will be a way for the non-wizarded armies to get access to magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsharitt Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 1 minute ago, TheKingInYellow said: Balewind needs a total rewrite anyhow. It's ridiculously good for certain armies. Yeah, I bet it gets rolled up into the new persistent magic stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine7six Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 sooooo how will they balance it for armies that can't summon and just get their flat 2000 points in matched play for example.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stato Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Just now, nine7six said: sooooo how will they balance it for armies that can't summon and just get their flat 2000 points in matched play for example.... Cheaper points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Just now, nine7six said: sooooo how will they balance it for armies that can't summon and just get their flat 2000 points in matched play for example.... It will cost command points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michu Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 I really hope Skaven will get a summoning system. Imagine thousands of Clanrats emerging from Gnawhole and flooding the battlefield with their numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine7six Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 1 minute ago, PJetski said: It will cost command points so they will be spending command points on summoning while other armies can use it for extra hits/damage/dispel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsharitt Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Just now, nine7six said: so they will be spending command points on summoning while other armies can use it for extra hits/damage/dispel? There was nothing said about command point, that person just made that up just now. In fact the article says that each army will have their own way of generating some kind of summoning resource and that the new Nurgle and Nagash books are ready to go already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoodooChileIRL Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, bsharitt said: The magic models does make sense, except that not every faction has magic, but yeah it's probably magic and either they mean nearly every faction, or maybe there will be a way for the non-wizarded armies to get access to magic. Aye. Maybe a few artifacts could work the same as a one use spell? Though which Factions have no wizards? Off the top of my head there's: Fyreslayers Dispossessed/Ironweld Kharadron Overlords Beastclaw Raiders Most of the Skaven clans Blades of Khorne I'm sure I'm missing a few (a lot of the smaller sub factions) but I think those are the main ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 1 minute ago, nine7six said: so they will be spending command points on summoning while other armies can use it for extra hits/damage/dispel? Correct Summoning, Command Abilities, and artifacts all cost Command Points Summoning also usually requires some other condition that needs to be fulfilled, like Contagion Points for Nurgle. You won't have horrors summoning wizards summoning horrors summoning wizards on the first turn. There are significant opportunity costs to Summoning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xasz Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, PJetski said: Correct Summoning, Command Abilities, and artifacts all cost Command Points Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tittliewinks22 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Wonder how this will affect armies that don't have lots of summoning, but only have 1-2 models that can summon. (Screaming Bell, branchwraith etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsharitt Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, PJetski said: Correct Summoning, Command Abilities, and artifacts all cost Command Points Summoning also usually requires some other condition that needs to be fulfilled, like Contagion Points for Nurgle. You won't have horrors summoning wizards summoning horrors summoning wizards on the first turn. There are significant opportunity costs to Summoning Before you keep telling people about your made up command point summoning rules, you might want to go read the summoning article that just went up on the Warhammer Community site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainNippon Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 What exactly is Legion of Nagash's summoning resource then? Heroes around Gravesites? There must be some sort of restriction there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorticulusTGA Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Well this change was expectable since Maggotkin, but I really like it. I'm really looking forward to see how beefy the GHB2018 will be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Xasz said: Source? LLV, a poster on this forum He has been correct about everything else so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsharitt Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, VoodooChileIRL said: Aye. Maybe a few artifacts could work the same as a one use spell? Though which Factions have no wizards? Off the top of my head there's: Fyreslayers Dispossessed/Ironweld Kharadron Overlords Beastclaw Raiders Most of the Skaven clans Blades of Khorne I'm sure I'm missing a few (a lot of the smaller sub factions) but I think those are the main ones. I'm thinking artefacts are the way to go. Maybe spell(and dispel) scrolls that can be taken universally. We'll get to see soon though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsharitt Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, PJetski said: LLV, a poster on this forum He has been correct about everything else so far Quick, somebody tell GW that they got their summoning article wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xasz Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, PJetski said: LLV, a poster on this forum He has been correct about everything else so far So, no source, just a rumour that you are passing on as a fact. He might be right in the end, but up till now it has no substance except his word. (ergo no substance at all) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 It's not confirmed, no. If you don't want to believe somebody that used to work for GW, still has ties to GW, and has predicted the new edition with 100% accuracy... well, that's your choice I suppose ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeryenn Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 I. Love. It. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Rowe Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 To be strictly fair, there's nothing in the article that absolutely precludes a command point requirement. On the other hand, this passage is certainly a little misleading if there is one. "The big change for matched play, though, is that summoning now no longer costs reinforcement points! Instead, you earn your summoned units with in-game actions: bloodshed, spreading plague, mastering magic, and other thematic goals. For some recent armies, this ability works just like it does in your battletome today (but free!)." Emphasis mine. Seems like they would have/should have mentioned such a requirement if it exists. But, y'know, woulda-shoulda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsharitt Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, PJetski said: It's not confirmed, no. If you don't want to believe somebody that used to work for GW, still has ties to GW, and has predicted the new edition with 100% accuracy... well, that's your choice I suppose ? Don't worry, I'm sure GW will recognize their mistake and defer to LVV soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michu Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Quote It's not confirmed, no. If you don't want to believe somebody that used to work for GW, still has ties to GW, and has predicted the new edition with 100% accuracy... well, that's your choice I suppose ? Well, we believe what actually GW has written on their site, because some things could have changed since that person stopped working there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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