Olincay Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 So has anyone else noticed with the leaked rules we can now have small Morathi -3 to hit in the shooting phase? Initially i was never really finding a spot for her, but now i think i may reconsider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DantePQ Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Olincay said: So has anyone else noticed with the leaked rules we can now have small Morathi -3 to hit in the shooting phase? Initially i was never really finding a spot for her, but now i think i may reconsider. Does it change it so much ? With new rules Khailebron is worse then HaggNarr as shooting in many ways will be nerfed and then you got -1 to hit for all leaders but big Morathi (as Cauldrons aren't Monsters so they have -1 to hit as well unless it's FAQed) I think with rules we've seen Morathi is much better especially if new spells are for matched play as well (so she doesn't have to wase her 3rd spell to cast mystic shield or arcane bolt, also mystic shield is useless in turn 5 for DoK) she has -2 to hit with shooting, ability to unbid two spells ar 30'' with +1 to unbid, there are great command abilities to be use with heroes nearby and maybe we can use her command ability (but I doubt it as she's got to be a general to use it). Also Doomfire Warlocks with their mobility and 30'' unbid and nerf to Arcane Bolt are quite good, I'd rather have two units of 5 then one unit of 10 as two 30'' unbids are better then 1 with potential +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syph0n Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 I've got 10 Doomfire Warlocks on the way. Love the concept of them, so now with the magic changes they're even cooler. Not on the DoK bandwagon as yet - weighing up vs Deepkin - but a snake/harpy/doomfire list looks like my cup of tea. I just worry that you really need loads of witches to smash face and they're decidedly not for me despite their combat prowess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DantePQ Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, syph0n said: I've got 10 Doomfire Warlocks on the way. Love the concept of them, so now with the magic changes they're even cooler. Not on the DoK bandwagon as yet - weighing up vs Deepkin - but a snake/harpy/doomfire list looks like my cup of tea. I just worry that you really need loads of witches to smash face and they're decidedly not for me despite their combat prowess! with almost any list you got to have witches - I'm very pleased with 40 (30+10) but @Scythian has nice list without witches so I guess you could fit Warlocks into that as HaggNarr heavy-snake army is good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhw Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 With the hit to shooting, Morathis long spell range in mini form seems to have got better comparatively too. Actually take off some support characters. Considering whether Pit of Shades could actually be useful for that purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syph0n Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, DantePQ said: with almost any list you got to have witches - I'm very pleased with 40 (30+10) but @Scythian has nice list without witches so I guess you could fit Warlocks into that as HaggNarr heavy-snake army is good I will investigate! To be fair, I would just do a 1k list initially to dip my toe. That's gotta have a Bloodwrack Shrine and loads of Bloodsisters anyway. If I don't like painting all the skin, I'll go Deepkin! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiken Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Same here. Given the monstrous cost of starting a DoK Army. I'm playing it slowly and see what's coming. I'm more and more considering a snake + harpy + Doomfire army as I really can't justify paying 45€ for a box of 10 standard units ... As much as I love DoK in terms of aesthetics and lore, and everything ... I'll just try a 1k list for now, and hope that Moonclan is releasing soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecktron Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 23 minutes ago, syph0n said: I will investigate! To be fair, I would just do a 1k list initially to dip my toe. That's gotta have a Bloodwrack Shrine and loads of Bloodsisters anyway. If I don't like painting all the skin, I'll go Deepkin! ? I dont like Witch Aelfs either but Bloodwrack Shrines and Blood Sisters have proven quite successful for me on the 1K level. I have tried 5 Khinerai and 5 Doomfire Warlocks but I didnt liked them too much but maybe they get better If I tried 10 of each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClockworkGeo91 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, Gecktron said: I dont like Witch Aelfs either but Bloodwrack Shrines and Blood Sisters have proven quite successful for me on the 1K level. I have tried 5 Khinerai and 5 Doomfire Warlocks but I didnt liked them too much but maybe they get better If I tried 10 of each. How many Blood Sisters do you squeeze in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syph0n Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 25 minutes ago, Saiken said: Same here. Given the monstrous cost of starting a DoK Army. I'm playing it slowly and see what's coming. I'm more and more considering a snake + harpy + Doomfire army as I really can't justify paying 45€ for a box of 10 standard units ... As much as I love DoK in terms of aesthetics and lore, and everything ... I'll just try a 1k list for now, and hope that Moonclan is releasing soon I hear you. Cost is factor. I earn good money, but I've also got a wife in training to be a midwife and two kids (who have their clubs, trips with school)... Hobby money is limited, but so is time. Maybe I should just go Stormcast! Cheap and quick! ? 13 minutes ago, Gecktron said: I dont like Witch Aelfs either but Bloodwrack Shrines and Blood Sisters have proven quite successful for me on the 1K level. I have tried 5 Khinerai and 5 Doomfire Warlocks but I didnt liked them too much but maybe they get better If I tried 10 of each. That's good to hear, as a 1k list is easily filled with the Shrine and Blood Sisters and both are fantastic looking models to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DantePQ Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 My metal ? babies are done, love those metal witches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClockworkGeo91 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 1 minute ago, DantePQ said: My metal ? babies are done, love those metal witches Gorgeous work! Incredible bases. Love your metal Hag as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syph0n Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Awesome. I've got 10 metal witches and that Hag as well. My wife painted them as an 'in' to the hobby, but I daren't strip them. She'll kill me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olincay Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 23 minutes ago, DantePQ said: My metal ? babies are done, love those metal witches MY GOD MAN, they look amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 19 hours ago, GammaMage said: he stalkers look good, but I found them rather lacklustre in my games. They're good for sitting on a back ovbjective and still hitting stuff at range, but if you're wanting to use Sisters for that, then I don't think they're worth taking. agreed and it s*cks because I really wanted them to be good, haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecktron Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 3 hours ago, ClockworkGeo91 said: How many Blood Sisters do you squeeze in? At least ten. This is the list I used recently:Allegiance: Daughters Of Khaine- Temple: Hagg NarLeadersBloodwrack Shrine (220)- General- Trait: Devoted Desciples - Artefact: Crystal Heart - Lore of Shadows: MindrazorHag Queen (60)- Prayer: Catechism of MurderBattleline10 x Blood Sisters (280)10 x Witch Aelves (100)- Pairs of Sacrificial KnivesUnits5 x Doomfire Warlocks (160)- Lore of Shadows: the witheringBehemothsAvatar of Khaine (180) Not the most optimized list as this is mostly just the stuff I have at the moment. The core of this army are the Shrine, the Hag Queen and 10 Sisters. I'd like to throw units at the enemy until I can unleash the buffed up Blood Sisters on the enemy. 10 Sisters with Mindrazor, Witch brew and Catechism of Murder in turn 3 or later will destroy everything. In my last game they shredded trough a full health Maw-crusha in one round of close combat. They are brutal on such a low point level. Sometimes I have to sacrifice my Warlocks or my Witch aelfs for my Blood Sisters but I always feel like its worth it. But my experience may not be universal as I have faced only close combat focused armies so far and DoK are especially strong against them, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClockworkGeo91 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, Gecktron said: At least ten. This is the list I used recently:Allegiance: Daughters Of Khaine- Temple: Hagg NarLeadersBloodwrack Shrine (220)- General- Trait: Devoted Desciples - Artefact: Crystal Heart - Lore of Shadows: MindrazorHag Queen (60)- Prayer: Catechism of MurderBattleline10 x Blood Sisters (280)10 x Witch Aelves (100)- Pairs of Sacrificial KnivesUnits5 x Doomfire Warlocks (160)- Lore of Shadows: the witheringBehemothsAvatar of Khaine (180) Not the most optimized list as this is mostly just the stuff I have at the moment. The core of this army are the Shrine, the Hag Queen and 10 Sisters. I'd like to throw units at the enemy until I can unleash the buffed up Blood Sisters on the enemy. 10 Sisters with Mindrazor, Witch brew and Catechism of Murder in turn 3 or later will destroy everything. In my last game they shredded trough a full health Maw-crusha in one round of close combat. They are brutal on such a low point level. Sometimes I have to sacrifice my Warlocks or my Witch aelfs for my Blood Sisters but I always feel like its worth it. But my experience may not be universal as I have faced only close combat focused armies so far and DoK are especially strong against them, in my opinion. Thanks for the advice! Been tinkering with my 1k List, think i'll take similar except drop the warlocks and take ten more witch aelves and another hag queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Schmidt Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 I may have asked this before... apologies if that is the case... When a Heartrender unit sets up with the special ability from Shadow Patrol, will they gain an additional -1 rend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURF1 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 The fact that we don't have access to summoning is going to be a problem for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azamar Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 So a question arose from a recent game, and my DOK playing friend suggested I post here for opinions (I’ve asked on the q+a forum here, but as there’s no official answer the more opinions the better) How does the mind-razor spell interact with other bonuses to bravery? The spell specifies if the unit has a higher bravery characteristic, and DOK bravery buffs from, say, the avatar say +1 to the bravery characteristic so that obviously applies, but what about buffs from banners and the like (specific example was darkling coven/ Phoenix temple banners temple banners). These buffs don’t specify characteristic, so is the intention that they shouldn’t count, or is the difference due to newer warscrolls having more precise wording? (Deepkin bravery boosts all say + x to bravery *characteristic as well). Obviously I’m not thinking of buffs that state “in the battleshock phase” such as the +1 for 10 models here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Fortress_Immortal Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 6 hours ago, BURF1 said: The fact that we don't have access to summoning is going to be a problem for a while. We have deepstriking Khinerai that can be deployed off of the board. Why would you need summoning again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syph0n Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 I've been playing with the idea of picking up the Cauldron and 2 boxes of Sisters. With that and what I own, I can make (I think) Medusa (General) Slaughter Queen Hag Cauldron 2x5 Blood Sisters 5 Warlocks 980/1000 Queen and Medusa look after the two Blood Sister units, Warlocks just cause a bit of magic and ranged distraction. Not sure on Temple, maybe Draichi Ganeth. Might be a bit top heavy? Just thinking it's relatively cheap way to try Daughters and I know I can squeeze the Medusa or Melusai in at least one Order Serpentis list! ? Other option, go Bloodwrack Shrine and have two lots of Warlocks. Hag and Slaughter Queen escorts the Blood Sisters. Final option, dump the Shrine, have a jiggle about and squeeze a Hydra in for a laugh. Are people bothering with allies with Daughters? They seem to not need them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitch of Izalith Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 17 hours ago, Aaron Schmidt said: I may have asked this before... apologies if that is the case... When a Heartrender unit sets up with the special ability from Shadow Patrol, will they gain an additional -1 rend? Yes they will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DantePQ Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 For anybody interested rest of my first part of an army is done and in great quality, next up are 30 Witches, 40 Sisters of Slaughter , 10 Warlocks and 10 Blood Stalkers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syph0n Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 You've had these commissioned haven't you @DantePQ? No offence if you've done them!! Must be costing you a fortune. However, they look amazing, quite otherworldly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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