Black_Fortress_Immortal

Yeah, but I hate video games. Maybe they'll be in old world but eh.

Monthly reminder that GW ripped my heart out and I had quit AoS. When we come back, I will.

Core rules were alright, and the GHB ruins the game. Goodluck playing monster-mash, or pray to get lucky with your dice, because anyone with half a brain and a few monsters will win.

Right. It's why I've gravitated towards Vostarg. I've made some lists where I have 15 block, and direct my poleaxes more reliably into the units that need to get smacked by them. Fighting first is cool and all, but letting Kragnos or Archaon go to town and pick their battles is not going to be a good time. I've also been more inclined to take shield Vulkites in Vostarg for the +2 to charge and roll in out of deepstrike, in case they try to redeploy away after your HGB advance up for a charge, you can drop in.

Honestly, -1 rend against archaon/kragnos stacking multiple sources of +1 save (oracular visions, mystic shield, all-out defense), the broadaxes don't fare so well imo. Try it sometime and let me know how it goes.

On a side note - has anyone tried running an Urbaz list with 6 or so gunhaulers with drill cannons to try and punch through the high saves that we see all over the place? At least they count as 2 models for ojbectives now and drop bombs. I'd take some Bomblets on a frisky endrinmaster.

I'm actually giving Greyfyrd a whirl this time around. Blocks of heroes with Aurics behind, and a block in deepstrike with a runesmiter. Lots of extra artifacts, so it's easy to have 10 heroes (runemaster, runesmiter, battlesmith x 2, grimwrath x 6), backed up by aurics. That command ability that allows them all to fight in succession, the monster will only be able to shut off one of them, but just have a hero behind the first rank of grimwraths like a smith, so he or another can activate and watch half a dozen pop off at once, fighting twice with their decent rend. Going super high drops so that most can be in their own vanguard for a free reroll charge/auto run 6".

Double Ironclad is the way, imo. If the meta favors super high power units, then take 2 boats loaded up ~850pts each haha. Maximum focus and the pre game move, and hero phase movements add even more flexibility to adapt to their deployments.

You all know we were waiting for an edition like this to run debuff-wizards in a rampaging warherd 😇: Allegiance: Beasts of Chaos- Grand Strategy: Hold the Line- Triumphs: BloodthirstyDoombull (115) in Battle Regiment- General- Command Trait: Rampant Juggernaut- Artefact: Amulet of Destiny (Universal Artefact)Great-Bray Shaman (100) in Battle Regiment- Lore of the Twisted Wilds: Tendrils of AtrophyDragon Ogor Shaggoth (185) in Battle Regiment- Lore of Dark Storms: Hailstorm9 x Bullgors (465) in Battle Regiment- Great Axes- Reinforced x 26 x Bullgors (310) in Battle Regiment- Great Axes- Reinforced x 13 x Bullgors (155) in Battle Regiment- Great AxesGhorgon (170) in Alpha-Beast PackGhorgon (170) in Alpha-Beast PackGhorgon (170) in Alpha-Beast PackCygor (140) in Battle RegimentTotal: 1980 / 2000Reinforced Units: 3 / 4Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 151

It's a named Leader that is unique, so yes, I'd imagine you wouldn't be able to give them an enhancement artifact.

Allegiance: Kharadron Overlords- Sky Port: Barak Zilfin- Grand Strategy: Predator's Domain- Triumphs:Aether-Khemist (90) in Battle Regiment- General- Command Trait: Collector- Artefact: Staff of Ocular OptimisationAether-Khemist (90) in Battle Regiment- Artefact: Arcane Tome10 x Arkanaut Company (100) in Battle Regiment- 1x Skypikes- 1x Light Skyhooks- 1x Aethermatic Volley Guns10 x Arkanaut Company (100) in Battle Regiment- 1x Skypikes- 1x Light Skyhooks- 1x Aethermatic Volley Guns10 x Arkanaut Company (100) in Battle Regiment- 1x Skypikes- 1x Light Skyhooks- 1x Aethermatic Volley Guns10 x Grundstok Thunderers (270) in Battle Regiment- 2x Aetheric Fumigators- 2x Decksweepers- 2x Aethercannons- 2x Grundstok Mortars- Reinforced x 110 x Grundstok Thunderers (270) in Battle Regiment- 2x Aetheric Fumigators- 2x Decksweepers- 2x Aethercannons- 2x Grundstok Mortars- Reinforced x 1Arkanaut Ironclad (490) in Alpha-Beast Pack- Main Gun: Great Sky Cannon- Great Endrinworks: The Last WordArkanaut Ironclad (490) in Alpha-Beast Pack- Main Gun: Great Sky Cannon- Great Endrinworks: Zonbarcorp 'Dealbreaker' Battle RamTotal: 2000 / 2000Reinforced Units: 2 / 4Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 116

I found that Arcane Tome on a khemist seems more versatile for the unbind + mystic shield for an all-comers list approach. Yep, so I figure maximize that which is good. Did a game vs. Maggotkin tonight and tabled the opponent, maxing every turn and gaining my grand strategy, losing only 2 x 10 arkanauts and 1 khemist. He took Rotigus, GUO x 2, 50 plaguebearers, 4 pusgoyles and was summoning plaguebearers around. Best seemed to be the foot thunderers that I charged into combat to set up for next turn with all out attack, the +1 mixed weapon bonus, and +1 wound rolls triumph with khemist rr1 to wound. 2 units of foot thunderers in combat with a block of plaguebearers that are tagged to be -1 hit rolls going into all out defense for 3+ save thunderers allowed them to survive. This list is extremely good imo, but I need to practice with it more. Turn 1: He out-dropped me so I deployed Arkanauts far enough back to where I could run 6" and get center objectives as needed if he did indeed give first, I then did my pre game alpha beast pack normal move to fly high to far end of board where I was in range of Rotigus and a block of 20 plaguebearers and a 10 block, but bunched together near terrain so charging would result in a Last Word and Unleash Hell, with Rotigus at a further charge distance. He went first and nabbed the objectives. I countered with a hero phase move of the battering ram IC, triumph buff an IC, disembarked the thunderers near obj and within range of Rotigus and the PB squads, all-out attack and inspired on the IC to help down Rotigus, and fired everything else into the PBs on foot, charging onto the objective that had 1 PB left to take it from him. Turn 2: I then double turned, re-embarked into the ICs, flew high to the opposite end of the board, moved up the arkanauts to fire and charge into the remaining PBs where the thunderers weakened them (arkanauts failed so many rolls), but all-out defense and survived, as the ICs and Thunderers pecked away at the super-buffed GUO general, leaving 2 wounds or so for an IC battering ram charge and bomb-drop to take the other objs. He countered with some pusgoyle action and summoning, taking out an arkanaut unit. Turn 3: I was given priority as he burned an objective (which was smart as I barely maxed this turn), disembarked the foot thunderers, took out the remaining GUO and some PBs after 1 IC flew high back to the other end to pressure an enemy home objective, charged the Thunderers into another 20 man of daemons with khemist (they were hitting poorly at this point), and arkanauts took mid. He countered with pusgoyle move and charge and some piddly plaguebearer hits. Turn 4: I got priority and flew high IC for the far end remaining obj, killed all remaining PBs with all-out attack and inspired Thunderers that were tagged in combat with the remaining PBs and unloaded into the pusgoyles. Charged in my khemist and remaining arkanauts into pusgoyles in mid to tie them up as I held far ends and he was left with a few models in mid. Turn 5: He won priority which didn't help much at this point as he was able to take out the khemist and second unit of arkanauts in mid. I then responded with a tabling blow and held all objectives. We both maxed our turns on 1-3, and 4-5 I was able to pull the lead and deny points. His summoning did work, as did his key burning of an objective that I held, since the priority objective that counted as 2 was one that he was able to snag, along with 1 more for holding 3/5 technically. Picking proper secondaries such as destroying key units initially is important, as the mobility ones we can make up later. Ended 29-16, my favor. Key points to take away were: - Arcane Tome for the unbind prevented his mystic shield, and kept one up on a squad of Thunderers and IC that I was aiming to charge into combat -Foot thunderers are gross in terms of damage output for their cost, especially if in combat and with buffs -2 Ironclads that can place shots is super key -Combination of hero phase movement and a movement phase disembark adds so much to the list's effectiveness -Pusgoyles are actually very useful now -New daemon locus for +1 save simply for being near a daemon hero for nurgle with the -1 hit on PBs made them pretty tanky unless you focus down the hero Although Mhornar and Zon are my favorite, I feel like this will be my go-to for events until an inevitable FAQ that makes alpha beast pack a "move up to d6"

Also, maybe we will play against each other (again) this year. Didn't get a chance to head to NJ much.

Yep. Sadly, I can't fit a Navigator. So Khemist with ventplates to help counter enemy ranged attacks would be nice for when they come out on foot.

Looks good with the HGB (I Have 60+ so I don't want to give up on them yet), but your list needs Runefather as general to take them as battleline. But what I've found is 3 x 10 disintegrate now. Hermdar seems slow so I've actually been experimenting with Vostarg. Runefather on Magmadroth Runesmiter on Magmadroth Battlesmith Runemaster 4 x 10 HGB 1 x 5 Auric Molten Infernoth The invocations can't be moved through, and the 6+ ward from the wall MAY be more worth it, but the blocking of movement from the infernoth that moves around and can now potentailly do even more MW makes it seem more exciting in a meta where +1 saves are handed out like candy. I roll 2 poleaxe and 2 broadaxe squads and can run and charge some scenarios turn 1 and advance the smiter to keep +1 save around on my forward group that can pin them down with the runefather turn 1 if needed, with the smith and smiter (prayer of ash vs. Infernoth) providing support to the objective holder(s) group(s) with aurics to buy a little time for the foot heroes.