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Legion of Blood (LoB) and Soulblight (SB) are very different factions despite the fact you can run very similar lists as both. This is how I see them / play them: - LoB has Endless Legions, but it's in weird spot in that sense as you desperately want to bring in as many Blood Knights as you can - but these are not summonable, so Endless Legions is useless for them. You could go Grimghast Reapers (which I adore) AND Blood Knights in the same list, which works - but you have to compromise in terms of numbers and support heroes. My current LoB strategy is to invest in Dire Wolves (such an amazing unit...) to leverage Endless Legions (and Deathly Invocations and so on...) AND Blood Knights to make the most of the +1 LoB attack. You can build tough LoB lists based on Endless Legions, but Legion of Sacrament is just better in that sense. LoB is excellent for balanced lists featuring both resilient components (Endless Legions) and punchy units (VLoZD and Blood Knights). The changes re: the artefacts will have an impact on the VLoZD vs Vhordrai debate. I won't go into that yet - let's wait to be 100% sure about the artefacts. - SB can do two things really well: (1.) Be insanely fast/mobile. Swift Death is nuts (flying Blood Knights with a minimum, guaranteed threat range of 18 is bonkers) and we do have access to Amethystine Pinions, Chronomantic Cogs and the Mist Form Command Trait (also bonkers). (2.) Hit like a truck. However, that's not really true / useful in the current meta. Lots of things hit harder or just don't die. Which leaves Soulblight with a very clear issue: survivability. Without Endless Legions, Deathly Invocation and Vile Transference alone are simply not enough. Vargheists are not summonable either and they die like flies. You can also build a +2 to cast list with the Necromantic blood line and an allied Corpse Cart, but the reality is that in the times of Tzeench / Seraphons / Lumineth that's not the best way forward. The way I see it, I think it's fair to say that LoB is more viable, from a competitive standpoint, at this point in time, as what SB does well doesn't have a great impact in most games. However, SB allows me to take all my big monsters, my Blood Knights and my Vargheists and even ally the Mourngul (oh yeah) - as @warhammernerd righteously pointed out, the rule of cool is crystal clear in this case... I do agree re: both Neferata and Mannfred. Vhordrai, though, is sufficiently scary as it is, let's be honest. At full health and fully buffed (his own spell + the Coven Throne command ability + the Vampire Lord command ability) the guy is downright INSANE already... do I want him to have +1 attack in LoB? Of course I do. Would that be in line with the fluff? Oh yes. Would it be sensible rules-wise? I say, probably not... to be fair, I am quite surprised they brought it down in points. 6 mortal wounds flat on a 3+ (potentially a 2+) at full health, folks - flat. Shordemaire, for the win! Those are very interesting explanations, thanks! I am curious what you say about VLOZD vs Vhordrai later on. What would your LoB list look like then? If you say you count on dire wolves and blood knights? Would be interested to see it. btw: does the Saccharine Goblet work on the mount as well? I guess no?

I am not sure yet, propably LoB is still better, but I dont really care, Soulblight is the cooler version. And you can have an all Flying Force, which is fun as well. What do you mean by Vhordrai getting some juice by taking him in Soulblight over LoB?

Really interesting, so you are not taking VLOZD and not taking Vhordrai? Is Neffy AND Manny worth it? dont you lack CPs for that? What do you think about the Corpse Cart? I always felt that its worth a lot giving +1 to cast and kinda good with dire wolves as well.

Hey guys! I am new to Nighthaunt. I know that they are not terribly competitive right now, but I like the models and want to build at least a 2000p army. I have a list in mind and would be great if you could comment on my points. Here a few thoughts that explain the list a little bit. So my most favourite unit are the Blagegheist Revenants, so I thought a good starting point is the Shroudguard battalion, relatively cheap and lowers the drops. I am not sure if its good playwise to have two units of 20 of them or if units of 10 are just better (if yes, I could go for double Shroudguard battalion?!). I wasnt sure if I go for a Knight Of Shroud on foot or on steed? But went for the one on steed. Then I love the Kurdoss model, so I put him in. A Spirit Torment is mandatory is mandatory in a Nighthaunt army as well as a Gurdian of Souls? so I put them in. Then I had to fill my battleline and I wanted a little bit of a center piece, so I took a Mourngul and as many Chainrasps as possible, unfortunately I dont have enough for a full unit of 40, which is a bit of a waste because of the discount. So I ended up with 30 10 10 , I could also go for 20 20 10 (not sure what is better). Midnight Tome as a good artefact for the GoS, Pendant for more movement when my bladegheists are retreating and charging again. Not sure about the command trait though, nothing is really that good for me here I think?! I am that sure if the Mourngul is really worth his points, so I could instead also go for 10 more chainrasps to fill up to 40, buy a command point (maybe Aetherquartz Brooch then?) and Lady Olynder, because she is really good for 200p, right? Would be 2000p. Also the question if Kurdoss' 180 points are just too much for what he does? But I really like the model!

I'll test everything out, you gonna see it live soon, I'll promise. But gonna go with Archaon again on the weekend, since I dont have enough new models painted up just yet. See you on saturday! Looking forward to it!

Yeah you are right, but I am not sure yet.. I feel like all the Legions dont do that much for me. Maybe I will take the Mantle for D3 command points. Then I need to go Despoilers. Its also nice to have the 18'' aura for my General though. Kinda want to have the DP to be Khorne for his CA, so he cant be the general in my case. But will definitely try Ravagers as well.

I dont have everything painted up yet, but something like this: Definitely room for improvement though. Chaos Warriors are my favourite unit, although I think it would be better to just have more Marauders. Not sure though, need more testing when I finished the marauder models. I also think Furies are underrated as well, but I cant them them in this list unfortunately. Everything is just really expensive in points.

I love to run Chosen, I think they are incredibly underrated and I put Oracular Visions on them almost all the time. The other one can go on my Karkadrak or sth else. So a second one can come in handy.

Since I read this a couple of times now in this thread: You cant give Oracular Visions to a Daemon Prince since he lacks the Keyword Mortal. Same with the Tzeentch Warshrine Prayer. Only for Mortals. Would be great, but GW says no.

Thats exactly what I had in mind. As Soulblight. VLOZD Vhordrei Mannfred 10 Bloodknights (or 2x5 Bloodknights) 2x3 Vargheists The big problem is, that if you play it like this, you dont have points for the additional CP left. Its exactly 2000p. Thats why my plan was this one: VLOZD Vhordrei Mannfred 5 Bloodknights 2x3 Vargheists 10 Chainrasps (allies) 70p left for endless spells: maybe Prismatic Palisade Quicksilver Swords But of course it would be great to have 10 Bloodknights, although I think they are better in LoB because of their bonus attacks. Also not sure if I go for Swift Death or Necromantic for safer casting.

Hey guys, I want to play a list with the three big guys here. Not too sure how I should finish the list. I definitely want the additional CP. So I have 300p left to play with. I have three more Vargheists and another five Blood Knights available. I am also thinking about adding a bat swarm or some allied dire wolves to be fast and grab objectives. What do you think? Endless spells would be a possibility as well of course. PS: I will go for Swift Death I think, cause its so fun to have lots of movement

Magnetize it if you have an opportunity, you would get great flexibility in army composition. Thank you @GriinWan for taking the time! Its much appreciated! So I think will try to go for the 1000p list you suggested, seems pretty good to me. I will just try out the spells, but I think I will go for +1 save and +1 hit spells then. Not sure if I really need the movement bonus, although its nice to have of course. Not experienced enough to judge that of course. Really not sure if I should take the clan for 1000p though. The trait is pretty much wasted. I could take the wardokk as general though, take Icebone clan and give him another trait because the trait is only mandatory, if the weirdnob is the general, right? For 2000p this is the list I came up with, cause I really like the Rogue Idol model and its pretty easy to expand like that from 1000p. It doenst have to be a tournament list, but I think I can still do sth with them. Just realized that I forgot to pick the trait, but I will go for "Fuelled by the spirits" to have an extra spell. Not sure about the endless spells, they might not be worth it. I know the Thermalrider Cloak on the Big Boss might not be the best, but I want to put him on a boar as well, because it looks cool and then he will be able to keep up with them, having 9'' movement. My thought was that he can fight first and then let a big unit of boars fight right after him with his ability.

Hey guys, I need your help. I want to start a bonesplitterz army, 1000 points at first, maybe later more. Since I play against a lot of strong opponents I kinda want it to be competitive if possible. But I want it to be boar-themed. So basically only Boarboyz/Boarboy Maniaks+Heroes. Heroes can be unmounted, but I will convert them to still sit on boars, but still give them proper base size and still use their regular movement. As clan I feel Icebone is best, but maybe at 1000 points one is better off without a clan? Because their artefact and trait dont feel that great. I dont know. In general I need to know what is better: normal boarboyz or maniaks? which support heroes are best and what spells are best in combination with boar units? Is a battalion worth it? The Brutal Rukk could be nice for the ability, the Snaga Rukk doesnt feel great tbh. But I could at least get a useful second artefact and a CP, since I bring the units anyway. Are boarboyz/boarboy maniaks better in units of five or ten? or even bigger? I already bought some boxes of boarboyz, but didnt start to build them yet. So here is what I came up with so far: Savage Big Boss Wurgogg Prophet Wardokk 10 Boarboyz 10 Boarboyz 5 Boarboyz 990points Any advice on running boar-lists? PS: is the rogue Idol any good? because I like the model and thought about maybe using it later on to pop up to 2000 points pretty fast.

I use Furies and they are gold, don't want to miss them again.

I just had a game, where I got shot at a lot and my Longbeards died because they only had the 4+ against shooting, was quite happy with my Ironbreakers in cover, who didnt die at all with their 2+ in this case against shooting, so in this case I was happy to pay a few more points. And I buffed them with Warden King and Runelord and they were still able to kill stuff with their 3 attacks each.

I decided to build my own battlemage in the end and I am pretty happy with how he turned out, (not glued on the base yet). I used an old dwarf thunderer model, build him a staff with bits from Battlemage and sculpted him a hat.

Yes, I dont really like the Hurricanum, but it seems pretty good tbh.. I still need a Dwarf Battlemage, but I dont have a good idea for a conversion yet..

Oh that sounds interesting. I am planning on doing a similar list, but I will try to go for Tempest Eye: Warden King 110 Runelord 90 Runelord 90 Battlemage 90 Frostheart Phoenix 220 Irondrakes 300 Irondrakes 300 Ironbreaker 330 Hammerers 360 Longbeards 110 2000 Not sure about the phoenix yet, but my army is ice- and winter-themed and I want a center piece. I planned on going with a Steam Tank, but I think they are only worth it if you take more than one and even then, they dont seem that strong.

If I remember correctly you cant "pick" the triumph, but you roll for it. I feel like its always a gamble, but I think Palisade can be pretty good, escpecially for Neferata, to protect her from shooting. In addition you can throw it out pretty early, because most other spells arent in range anyway in the first turn.

Hey guys, I am looking for an alternative model for a Battlemage for my dwarfs. I found these two: https://www.fantasywelt.de/Dwarf-Wizard-Kael-Stonekindle https://www.sciborminiatures.com/en_,shop.php?art=3193 Does anybody know how big those miniatures are? do they fit? (of course the quality isnt as good as GW) Any other cool ideas for a dwarf-battlemage?

Hey guys, I saw many people already picking command traits and artefacts. Any source where I can see them already? EDIT: nevermind, found them on 1d4chan

No, you are right, I know that, thats not what I meant. But I thought its better to have a VLOZD with the powerful retreat + charge and even a powerful artefact like the amulet instead of having a small hero with a command trait and artefact, which is less useful, although you would have mannfred and a great CA. But that were only my thoughts of course.

But you would give away your juicy command trait.. Is it really still better to take Vhordrai + Mannfred? I am building a similar list right now and I had the same idea last week, but I wasnt too sure if its worth to give up the command trait. Or maybe just use the little VL as general then? (I dont own a Coven Throne, so making it as general isnt an option for me)

Hey guys, I was thinking about starting a Dispossessed army. I had a few dwarves back in Warhammer Fantasy and I came back to the hobby about 1 year ago. I started with Chaos and Death, but now its time for Order and I think there still nothing that I like more than them. I know CoS is coming, so I'll wait for the book to drop. But isnt it in general a problem, that all the stuff, thats left now (I think its still enough to build a solid army - I dont have a problem with Warriors etc beeing gone) is web exclusive and you dont get any discount on all the boxes? That makes them really expensive unfortunately o_O Because I am afraid I need like 10 Boxes to build a proper 2k army..

Haha, it looks like we are the only two LoB players, so we have to stand together anyway. Better dont get hit by all those golden space marine range attacks =) Its funny, I threw the Reapers in last minute. At first I had a Vampire Lord in mind, but since I can only buy one additional CP, I wont be able to use his CA, which would be really sad. I thought about adding 3 Vargheists, they look cool, but they are incredibly weak defensively. But I definitely like them more, because they are Vampires =) See you on saturday!