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End Times also turned Settra into the ultimate Badass with that one quote/meme. I certainly never remember anyone really caring about him before that. I must confess I actually liked the end times novels (not the lore books that accompanied the rules books) and from the moment Manfred realizes he and Arkhan have returned Nagash to life rather than just harnessing his powers it was on the cards he was going to try and do something.

Personally I find Gotrek much more of a dilemma than Nagash (in LoN), if I was playing against Nagash and really wanted him gone (and this could be achieved) I'd just charge him with 4 Morghasts with Halberds, -2 rend 4 attacks each in grand host, that's a potential 48 damage and he'd only be having a 5+ save. The little dwarf can reroll saves, halves damage allocated to him and has a 4+ against everything. I'm sorry if people have had negative experiences playing against Nagash but I really do not think he is that strong outside Petrifex.

My regular opponent loves telling me Abhorash and all the Blood Dragons are just FEC now. Infuriates me beyond belief! I know Gotrek is a bit of a special case but I would love the other grand alliances to get a special character in a similar vein; Abhorash for Death, Sigvald perhaps for chaos and Skarsnik maybe for destruction? Also as has been said before, if they made Nagash a shard of (or similar) it wouldn't fill so weird fielding him.

Nagash could do with his save being unrendable and Morikhaine working for mortal and normal wounds too and probably should have access to all the spells from the two lores in LoN. Call it 1000 points and be done with it. I'd prefer him to go back to 800 in all honesty but can't see that ever happening again.

Blender Vampire Lord anyone? I long for the day Vampire Lords are feared again.

Nagash made better Stormcasts than Sigmar. Which makes sense given Sigmar isn't renowned for Necromancy, is there any lore that explains how Sigmar learnt how to make Stormcasts? Going from a barbarian king to a adept necromancer/scientist seems a bit of a stretch lolz.

I actually think the Harvester might get an increase over the Crawler, seems to have more benefits to the army overall. I love Morghasts but have given up trying to figure out what GW will do with them, most people take stalkers anyway so unless they become cheaper than stalkers who knows.

We could always welcome back Gilles Le Breton and companions...

As someone that has never liked warhammer elves (other than the hilarious turn of events for Malekith in the end times that had a lot of the elfdom crying), two things stand out; Eltharion and Teclis are bargains for their points costs. Heck you could ally Gotrek in and have him and Eltharion butcher everything. I also lol'd at Tyrion not being in part of it, I reserve a special hated for that womanizing Elf!

Helm of the Ordained on the leige Kavalos would be a good shout to buff the riders or the stalkers but you would need a battalion to get the extra artefact. You've almost got the mortisan trident battalion, you'd just need a soulreaper in there iirc, Which you'd have the points to do minus one of the harvesters. Endless spell wise bone tithe shrieker is the best of the bunch. Spell wise I'd go arcane command and protection of Nagash especially if one of the wizards is going to be your general.

Just so I understand clearly; the money firms have been receiving to make furlough payments has to be paid back at some point? Or are you referring to the other financial assistance on offer to companies?

Wouldn't have happened in the Kirby era that's for sure! Although that kind of implies GW must be making money hand over fist to be able to do that.

I've always been a fan of Grand Host (morghasts getting +1attack and for a time being battleline if Nagash was general), just seems the writings on the wall now. Most of the kits are still quite good imo other than zombies and the bats.

This! I miss the customisation you had with heroes in oldhammer. I’m not too keen on how artefacts work at the moment either and don’t see why we can’t just pay additional points for them. Seriously the LoN battalions are pretty bad and taking one of them just to get another artefact is madness. Which also feeds into command points, if Nagash is on the table you’re using his command ability almost every time and it’s hard to generate more than 1 a turn in that army so blood feast is a no go.

I don't hold out much hope, in oldhammer Vampire Counts had next to no shooting (banshess, zombie dragon and terrorgheist iirc) options whatsoever but that was made up for in other areas such as Vampires being really, really good depending on how far you wanted to kit them out.

Really sad news to hear Josh Reynolds has left, his books for AoS were the only ones I have purchased. I'm still sore that Blood Dragon got cancelled, way back before the end times was a thing. The other two books in that series were fantastic and really gave an insight into the different master vampires, shame it will never be completed.

ABHORASH!

So long as your not planning on winning any tournaments, I've found it helps to have a normal vamp as the general purely so he can hang back and bring units back. This list is guilty of using 2 characters which I take it you'd prefer not to. But they do act as a great distraction from your actual general. Again this list probably won't win any tournaments but I like Morghasts and Vhordrai and got Manfred as an xmas present so been running him a bit recently. Allegiance: Grand Host of NagashLeadersVampire Lord (140)- General- Command Trait: Master of Death - Artefact: Ethereal Amulet - Lore of the Vampires: SoulpikeVampire Lord (140)- Mount: Nightmare- Lore of the Vampires: Vile TransferenceMannfred Mortarch of Night (340)- Lore of the Dead: Overwhelming Dread Prince Vhordrai (480)- Lore of the Vampires: Amaranthine OrbBattleline20 x Chainrasp Horde (160)5 x Dire Wolves (70)5 x Dire Wolves (70)Units5 x Black Knights (120)4 x Morghast Archai (420)- Spirit HalberdsEndless Spells / Terrain / CPsExtra Command Point (50)Total: 1990 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 109

Thanks, just with the Nighthaunt stuff they were quite explicit about them replacing the old warscrolls and they haven't been this time round.

Has it been confirmed that the new warscrolls for Nagash, Arkhan and the morghasts supersede the old one? Can't find any mention of it on the official sources.

I think any lore where the majority of spells after being successfully cast do not then require you to roll to see if the spell goes off or not. (Can't remember the names but there's a couple in LoN where it's 7+ to cast followed by the need to roll a 4+ or similar for the spell to actually go off). I just find it a bit irksome that you cast the spell the opponent fails to unbind it (which is great) but then the spell fails to go off due to the extra roll needed to get it to take effect.

Had my first game with them last night with this list: Allegiance: Ossiarch BonereapersLeadersMortisan Boneshaper (130)- General- Trait: Mighty Archaeossian - Artefact: Godbone Armour - Lore of Mortisans: Arcane CommandVokmortian, Master of the Bone-tithe (180)Battleline10 x Mortek Guard (130)- Nadirite Blade and Shield10 x Mortek Guard (130)- Nadirite Blade and ShieldUnits2 x Morghast Harbingers (210)- Spirit Halberds2 x Morghast Harbingers (210)- Spirit HalberdsTotal: 990 / 1000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 200Wounds: 55 Played the scenario where your objective is worth 1 point the two centre line objectives 2 and the enemy 4. Had the bone Tithe Nexus as well. Was a bit worried about a potential lack of RDP's but coped quite well until Vokmortian bit the dust. Have to say Morghast Harbingers moving 12 inches and with -3 rend impressed me a lot more than I thought they would (Petrifex ability and the generic ability). The extra move range and large charge enabled me to wipe out a unit of Kunoth and unit of tree revenants sat on his objective. One morghast died but the other one bagged me 8 points over two turns before being killed and one me the game. I know they aren't well thought of compared to stalkers but they certainly did the business for me. It was just a fun list of what models I have right now, in no way meant to be competitive.

Just would have liked it not to be two order armies, one order and one destruction would have been good. Also I have a burning hatred for Aelves...

LVO reveals were rather underwhelming then. Two order armies; the grand alliance that arguably already has enough armies (sorry pointy elves fanbois).

Morghasts surely do more damage? Less attacks (if using halberds) but higher rend and damage. In my experience rend is everything (obviously not applicable to nighthaunt) .And for me the models are nicer looking!