Bowlzee Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 There's nothing wrong with Shooting. The problem arises with ranged shooting. If These Duardin have to get up close and personal, which by looking at some of the weapons I think they will need too, then it should be balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollcage Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Its not a static gunline though. As models these appear to be moving a flyiers distance of 16" and shooting a cannon of 30"+. Then add the potential for harpoons to reduce movement similar to gob netters or fyreslayer fire rocks shooting. And the flyers are high in the air so an all melee list might not be able to each the airship to hurt it. These rules are going to have to account for all of this otherwise this army would break the game. Anyways way to much hysterical speculation on my behalf, ill bottle it deep inside and wait for rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlDirtyCosta Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Has anyone heard what is being pre-released saturday yet? Overlords or no Overlords? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowlzee Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Has anyone heard what is being pre-released saturday yet? Overlords or no Overlords?My guess is Khorne at the beginning of April, Duardin end of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlDirtyCosta Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Just now, Bowlzee said: My guess is Khorne at the beginning of April, Duardin end of. HOW DARE YOU SIR!!! lol, I have been waiting since September when I first read that there was going to be some kind of steampunky duardin, I can wait till the end of April:) Your pessimism is not welcome here though rofl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorewood Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 they announced our flying overlords first so I would hope that they see the sooner release date..... I hope... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlDirtyCosta Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Shorewood said: they announced our flying overlords first so I would hope that they see the sooner release date..... I hope... This is the kind of positive stuff I like to see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarrickson Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Not to be a negative Nancy, but I'd heard there's a few weeks of 40k stuff to come before overlords/khorne the last 3 weeks in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohojoe Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Not to be a negative Nancy, but I'd heard there's a few weeks of 40k stuff to come before overlords/khorne the last 3 weeks in April. ****** it Nancy! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlDirtyCosta Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 36 minutes ago, Mohojoe said: ****** it Nancy! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That was positive..... in a negative way? Either way I liked it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikout Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 This week is neither aos nor 40k. Instead we get the bloodbowl orc team from the box, a plastic troll and team Titan play cards. Surely the kharadron will be the following week. Hopefully we will have confirmed release dates at Adepticon. 49 hours to go!!!! (not that I am counting) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jalvik Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I'm guessing rules will start to leak at latest this weekend....... hopefully GW does a really cool preview at Adepticon..... would be awesome! These sons of Aerher-Gold are going to be wicked! Can anyone else say allies with Fyreslayers! Mind is boggling with ideas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlDirtyCosta Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, Jalvik said: I'm guessing rules will start to leak at latest this weekend....... hopefully GW does a really cool preview at Adepticon..... would be awesome! These sons of Aerher-Gold are going to be wicked! Can anyone else say allies with Fyreslayers! Mind is boggling with ideas! Yeah hopefully they get some battalions that let you ally with them, like the sylvaneth wargroves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorewood Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, OlDirtyCosta said: Yeah hopefully they get some battalions that let you ally with them, like the sylvaneth wargroves! As a sylvaneth player I would be behind this 1000% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roberto Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Shorewood said: oh I doubt this army will have a lot in terms of mortal wound shenannigans other than the occasional weapon that does a mortal wound on 6's to wound or something to that effect. What I guess this army will have is strong rend but very little staying power on the ground. As you said none of their models look like cc specialists (save one or two of the characters) which means when it comes time to grab an objective and hold it for points.... well.... they are in a bit of a bind. This is going to be an army with very few models in it, that has very limited mobility outside their ships. blow one of them up and the survivors won't be able to go toe to toe with your infantry due to mainly lack of numbers. How many bodies do you think this army will bring to the table once you are done paying for those fancy airships? oh and if I recall correctly don't the beast claw raiders get a monster that just belches 6 mortal wounds on a 2+ at 18"? ****** the ships. A couple of battleline scouts and the rest in devastator squads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warboss Gorbolg Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Part of me wonders if KO and Fyreslayers will actually recognize any kinship from a background perspective. Culturally they seem to be on opposite sides of the spectrum. KO vs. Fyreslayers Tech: Most advanced ever vs. no advancement (or even devolution from Dispossessed) Gold Motivation: Wealth for riches vs. as part of their god/Ancestor worship and reverance Armor: 100% covered vs. near naked Combat: Strong ranged emphasis vs. strong melee emphasis Hair: No hair !?!? vs. HUGE hair Homes: Sky-dwellers vs. Valcano-dwellers I'm sure that there are probably some other differences. Would seem logical to me that the two longtime estranged groups might perceive that they have little in common anymore. Obviously this doesn't impact the tabletop much but I will be a bit disappointed if there isn't tension between the Duardin factions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlDirtyCosta Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Shorewood said: As a sylvaneth player I would be behind this 1000% I believe the ironbark(?) Wargrove lets you take 2 duardin units. So to you sir I hope they have that keyword! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorewood Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, OlDirtyCosta said: I believe the ironbark(?) Wargrove lets you take 2 duardin units. So to you sir I hope they have that keyword! I don't think they will unfortunately, I imagine they will keep our beloved overlords separate with their own keyword in order to help seperate it from the dwarves of the old world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhsellwood Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Rollcage said: Its not a static gunline though. As models these appear to be moving a flyiers distance of 16" and shooting a cannon of 30"+. Then add the potential for harpoons to reduce movement similar to gob netters or fyreslayer fire rocks shooting. And the flyers are high in the air so an all melee list might not be able to each the airship to hurt it. These rules are going to have to account for all of this otherwise this army would break the game. Anyways way to much hysterical speculation on my behalf, ill bottle it deep inside and wait for rules. I agree that they will not be a static gunline. The skyships look fast (in a stoic resolute way rather than some elf ******-ing about on a horse kind of way), the skyriggers are at the least flying so manoeuvrable even if not on the fastest models in the game, and there is a good chance that all the infantry will be able to be transported. Which means the army may shoot, but it is far from the 8th edition gunline approach, and in game play perhaps more akin to a super heavy version of the old Dark Elf type lists? I don't think this inherently overpowered or unbalanced - the question becomes in a Matched Play game how is it pointed? Given the value of shooting, and of movement, and how good they are combined I would expect them to be expensive. In game it would be a bit like playing against an Eldar 40K army - they hit hard and fast but don't have the numbers to control the whole board or absorb too much of a counter punch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorewood Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I agree price point is key. I imagine in a 2k game we'll only have maybe 3 or 4 airships with perhaps 15 other models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollcage Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Not so bad on rerevision. The Arkunaut Company (appears battle line looking) has a few different weapon loadouts. With weapon names like: Aetherflare pistol Light Skyhook These don't sound very combat orientated. Kinda reminds me more Batman the dark knight with Skyhook for the reboarding of a plane in midflight. The other two weapons sounded more like combat upgrades with the aethergun (minigun) and the harpoon (melee special weapon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuneBrush Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I'm thinking fairly short ranged shooting, middling melee (4+/4+ or maybe 5+/4+), but able to withstand quite a bit of punishment due to armour. As said previously, I think it unlikely Kharadron will have numbers on their side. Airships will probably each form a different roll in addition to a mobile gunship, so possibly extend the range, increase to hit for ranged attack, etc. Basically forming an essential buff/support roll rather than simply being a monster or extra firepower. I'm also expecting the Balloon guys to be able to perform an "insertion deployment", possibly linking into some other unit for more accurate placing. Not sure if there will be some inherent mortal wound counter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karchev23 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 11 hours ago, Shorewood said: oh I doubt this army will have a lot in terms of mortal wound shenannigans other than the occasional weapon that does a mortal wound on 6's to wound or something to that effect. What I guess this army will have is strong rend but very little staying power on the ground. As you said none of their models look like cc specialists (save one or two of the characters) which means when it comes time to grab an objective and hold it for points.... well.... they are in a bit of a bind. This is going to be an army with very few models in it, that has very limited mobility outside their ships. blow one of them up and the survivors won't be able to go toe to toe with your infantry due to mainly lack of numbers. How many bodies do you think this army will bring to the table once you are done paying for those fancy airships? oh and if I recall correctly don't the beast claw raiders get a monster that just belches 6 mortal wounds on a 2+ at 18"? You are correct sir! And i agree with you there, I see them having a unique playstyle but nothing uber OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
April Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I'd really like to do a plog for these guys does anyone else fancy joining me so we can motivate each other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorewood Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 *sits impatiently for our new bearded overlords* So.... whose up for storming GW headquarters and getting our hands one some sweet sweet sky pirates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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