Lightbox Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Hi all, So I'm considering a little dip into a skaven force (likely just 1k points for now or so) as a fun little project and I'm very much unsure on quite how I'd want to go with them clan wise. I absolutely love the look of the hellpit abomination from Moulder as a cool centerpiece, even if it's not that great, and verminlords also look cool but I believe they can be any clan if I go for one of the masterclan ones as a general. I'm also kind of drawn to Skyre if I don't go for moulder because hamster wheels and big guns could be very fun! My main worry is with moulder that I might feel a bit restricted option wise if i choose to expand and unfortunatley whilst the giant rats look fine the rat ogors certainly leave something to be desired... though I know these could be converted etc. Any suggestions for a new potential player? It would be cool to hear how Skyre or Moulder might be able to play in fun ways that don't need to be all that competetive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocKeule Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Lightbox said: Hi all, So I'm considering a little dip into a skaven force (likely just 1k points for now or so) as a fun little project and I'm very much unsure on quite how I'd want to go with them clan wise. I absolutely love the look of the hellpit abomination from Moulder as a cool centerpiece, even if it's not that great, and verminlords also look cool but I believe they can be any clan if I go for one of the masterclan ones as a general. I'm also kind of drawn to Skyre if I don't go for moulder because hamster wheels and big guns could be very fun! My main worry is with moulder that I might feel a bit restricted option wise if i choose to expand and unfortunatley whilst the giant rats look fine the rat ogors certainly leave something to be desired... though I know these could be converted etc. Any suggestions for a new potential player? It would be cool to hear how Skyre or Moulder might be able to play in fun ways that don't need to be all that competetive. Personally I like to mix different clans. Since we got the new book taking the best of each clan for me is the fun an strength of the skaven. A mono-clan-list is possible though. To go full Moulder is rare and they are probably the weakest clan right now with a very limited choice of models. Going full Skryre on the other hand can be pretty strong and you have a couple of options. Only problem is that some of the older tin models are getting increasingly hard to find and some are expecting GW to fade them out. If you start with six stormfiends you are at 520 points and have your battleline. Two warlock engineers or bombardiers as heroes and a doomwheel you would be at 880. You could add 20 clanrats or a greyseer. Or get a weapon. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahriman Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 8 hours ago, Lightbox said: Hi all, So I'm considering a little dip into a skaven force (likely just 1k points for now or so) as a fun little project and I'm very much unsure on quite how I'd want to go with them clan wise. I absolutely love the look of the hellpit abomination from Moulder as a cool centerpiece, even if it's not that great, and verminlords also look cool but I believe they can be any clan if I go for one of the masterclan ones as a general. I'm also kind of drawn to Skyre if I don't go for moulder because hamster wheels and big guns could be very fun! My main worry is with moulder that I might feel a bit restricted option wise if i choose to expand and unfortunatley whilst the giant rats look fine the rat ogors certainly leave something to be desired... though I know these could be converted etc. Any suggestions for a new potential player? It would be cool to hear how Skyre or Moulder might be able to play in fun ways that don't need to be all that competetive. I have crazy good fun with my Moulder army, my big advice for people is not running the giant rats in huge units - even with the buffs I just don't think they do enough damage and die very easily. Having lots of 10 man/rat units I find really fun, and means you can shield your heavy hitters, use them to steal objectives with impressive speed, and charge them into a unit on the opposite side to your heavy hitter unit to stop your opponent piling in effectively. Rat Ogors pack a punch that feels just about right, but not crazy powerful, whereas Hell Pit Abominations are obscene on the charge, dealing a mortal wound to all enemies within 3" on a 2+. The downside, as you say, is the models. Someone on instagram is currently sculpting fur all over the current rat ogor models, and its helping a great deal. Someone else I've seen is greenstuffing fur on Stone Troggoths which looks really cool. Mine are all converted from Stormfiends, limits you slightly on poses, but the models are lovely with all their armour and weapons stripped off. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocKeule Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 11 hours ago, Ahriman said: The downside, as you say, is the models. Someone on instagram is currently sculpting fur all over the current rat ogor models, and its helping a great deal. Someone else I've seen is greenstuffing fur on Stone Troggoths which looks really cool. Mine are all converted from Stormfiends, limits you slightly on poses, but the models are lovely with all their armour and weapons stripped off. Stormfiends have the Moulder keyword any way so you can use them in an all-Moulder list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahriman Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 @DocKeule very much so, great for variety too! I used to have a unit with all warpfire throwers to give army a source of mortal wounds, but they eventually got replaced in the new book - I like the synergy Rat Ogors have with Master Moulders and being able to resummon them is ace too. Should probably look at adding them back just to give me some ranged threats again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Krungharr Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 On 12/11/2020 at 11:09 AM, DocKeule said: . Only problem is that some of the older tin models are getting increasingly hard to find and some are expecting GW to fade them out. . This is one of my main concerns with obscure niche armies. When I made the all gutter runner clans Eshin army it was all metal! Not sure how old the plastic night runner kit is but even the older plastic kits bode poorly for the future inclusion of some units. But I think we’re safe with Stormfiends, Lightning Cannons, and hopefully Doomwheels! Not sure about any of the other weapon teams. But I could definitely see easy sales with a plastic kit to build 3 of the Ratling gun/warp fire thrower/jezzails teams. Apparently there’s a plastic rat Ogor and Packmasters and giant rat kit in the GW site! THats pretty awesome. Thought those were all metal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skreech Verminking Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Lord Krungharr said: Apparently there’s a plastic rat Ogor and Packmasters and giant rat kit in the GW site! THats pretty awesome. Thought those were all metal. They are ok, although you really see the age on those modes as well. It is kinda sad that they removed the rat ogres from the blood island kit. That guy and the weapon teams looked amazing (I even own a few of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocKeule Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Lord Krungharr said: This is one of my main concerns with obscure niche armies. When I made the all gutter runner clans Eshin army it was all metal! Not sure how old the plastic night runner kit is but even the older plastic kits bode poorly for the future inclusion of some units. But I think we’re safe with Stormfiends, Lightning Cannons, and hopefully Doomwheels! Not sure about any of the other weapon teams. But I could definitely see easy sales with a plastic kit to build 3 of the Ratling gun/warp fire thrower/jezzails teams. I thing the main advantage for the skaven is that they are a GW creation and not a copy from some tolkienesque concept. And they are a fan-favorite. But yeah most of the models are pretty old and compared to newer factions it shows. I prefer the old style. But on whichever side you fall it looks a little off if you put old and new next to each other. So I think we will se a change in the model range some time in the future. I hope it will be similar to what they did with the goblins where they added some stuff but mostly kept the spirit of the armies. I can't imagine the rattling gun gone. The wordplay alone is too legendary. The grinder also is too m quintessential skaven. Clanrats would need an update. Plague Monks also look kind of old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skreech Verminking Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, DocKeule said: can't imagine the rattling gun gone. The wordplay alone is too legendary. The grinder also is too m quintessential skaven. Clanrats would need an update. Plague Monks also look kind of old. I doubt that any of the current weapon teams will vanish. They are a huge part of the skaven range and are a part what makes these guys so incredible cool. as for updates, i would love to see basically the stuff you just mentioned and more, with the exception of clanrats, they actually really look amazing. At least the current form 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkhan Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Anyone catch this btw. Rumor engine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkhan Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 On 12/11/2020 at 3:38 AM, Enkyridion said: Hey guys, So, I've been playing on a local league for almost 3 months, basically is about playing all the battleplans on the GHB 2020 book, we are currently on the 6th round... It almost ends... And I registered with my dear Skaventide... We can change the list every round if we want, so I've been trying some variations of a Vermin-Skryre kind of list, trying to find the most competitive build. Here's the final version of it: - Thanquol 390 pts Death frenzy (4x Warp projectors usually) - Warlock Engineer. 100 pts General. Deranged Inventor Vigordust Injector M.m.m. warp power - Warlock Engineer. 100 pts M.m.m. warp power - 40 x Clanrats. 200 pts Swords - 20 x Clanrats. 120 pts Swords - 40 x Stormvermin. 400 pts - 6 x Stormfiends 520 pts 2x windlauchers 2x darling una 2x shock gauntlets Endless spells. - Warplighting Vortex. 80 pts - Umbral Spellportal. 70 pts Total. 2000 pts I have to say that I'm very happy with this list, I've won twice, vs lumineth and vs nighthaunt. My strategy is: if I start, I cast the portal and Warplighting Vortex on the enemy's face, take objectives and position my screen of clanrats for s possible double turn. If I go second, I do the same, always deploying the screens properly to avoid an alpha strike that hurts, then I counter fire on my turn with spells and buffed stormfiends. Notes: I tried to squeeze points to increase the 20 clanrats but that would mean take out the portal or reduce the stormvermin, and I think stormvermin need to be 40 to be a powerhouse. Another variation is to switch one engineer with a clawlord, to buff the vermin. And turn the general into a Bombardier. After several games I would say I prefer stormfiends over jezzails, I know they have a different role, but I just love how durable stormfiends are and the psicological pain they are for my oponent... What you guys think? You can't cast WLV through the spellportal I'm afraid:/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Krungharr Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 I read somewhere a good tactic for the WLV is Skitterleap a Verminlord Warpseer next to a far flung gnawhole, use the +1 to cast and any extra casting buffs it has to unload that and Dreaded Warpgale, then gnawhole it back to safety. Seems pretty amazingly good if the enemy lacks auto unbinding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skreech Verminking Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 7 hours ago, Lord Krungharr said: I read somewhere a good tactic for the WLV is Skitterleap a Verminlord Warpseer next to a far flung gnawhole, use the +1 to cast and any extra casting buffs it has to unload that and Dreaded Warpgale, then gnawhole it back to safety. Seems pretty amazingly good if the enemy lacks auto unbinding! If you don’t exactly want to use a verminlord warpseer, you can basically get the same result, with a grey seer with skitterleap. it also comes cheaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicsheep Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 On 12/11/2020 at 2:38 AM, Enkyridion said: - Warlock Engineer. 100 pts General. Deranged Inventor Vigordust Injector M.m.m. warp power - Warlock Engineer. 100 pts M.m.m. warp power Also, Warlock Engineers are 110pts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocKeule Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 According to the 2020 GHB it is 100 for the engineer and bombardier. Has that been reversed again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicsheep Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, DocKeule said: According to the 2020 GHB it is 100 for the engineer and bombardier. Has that been reversed again? Yes, the book was updated shortly after publication. I can’t seem to find a link to the details, but Azyr and Warscroll Builder have up-to-date points values Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocKeule Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Hm...last skaven errata was in 2019 and in the GHB errata there is nothing about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicsheep Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, DocKeule said: Hm...last skaven errata was in 2019 and in the GHB errata there is nothing about them. Yeah, I’m now wondering whether I imagined seeing a list of point changes for GHB 2020 (it’s been a while since I played because of Covid) but I’ve check Azyr and Warscroll Builder, both show 110pts. 🤔🤔 Edited December 17, 2020 by Cosmicsheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skreech Verminking Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 28 minutes ago, Cosmicsheep said: Yeah, I’m now wondering whether I imagined seeing a list of point changes for GHB 2020 (it’s been a while since I played because of Covid) but I’ve check Azyr and Warscroll Builder, both show 110pts. 🤔🤔 It’s in the ghb 2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicsheep Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 hours ago, DocKeule said: According to the 2020 GHB it is 100 for the engineer and bombardier. Has that been reversed again? 7 minutes ago, Skreech Verminking said: It’s in the ghb 2020 So it is (I thought I was going mad) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocKeule Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Sorry, my mistake. I had grabbed to 2019 booklet which does not have the year on the title but the cover is almost identical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Krungharr Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Really don't think those guys needed to go up in points, nor the Verminlords Warpseer and Deceiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riff_Raff_Rascal Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Did this community drop the ball this year and not do the 13 days of skavendom for the holidays. Let the bells ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunslingerOy Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 I think I can convert up some gutter runners or some night runners. Not a competitive player, which one do people find more useful with 20 models available? I know that is kinda a loaded question without a list but I'm looking to do a little of everything 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enkyridion Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 @Cosmicsheep yes, my bad. I missed the 1 in between, I made the list on the Azyr app. So the WLV cannot be casted through the Portals... That's a shame 😢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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