Lissë-Prime Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Hello. I try to find some uses for Liberators with Warblade vs Warhammer. Basically I want to include Warblade Liberators because it looks cool. Warblades hit and wound on 3+ and 4+ instead of Warhammers 4+ 3+. But the bonus SE unit get are almost +1 hit roll, be it from Lay Down the Tyrants or 9" bubble from Lord Celestant. So given the bonus, hit and wound for Warblades become 2+ 4+ (0.417%) while Warhammers are 3+ 3+ (0.444%). Moreover, if 2 bonuses have effect, Warblades are still 2+ 4+ (because roll of 1 always fail) but Warhammer can be 2+ 3+. Clearly the Warhammers have advantage over Warblades. Does anyone find some advantages of Liberators with Warblades over Warhammers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jabber Tzeentch Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 For the sake of that minor difference I wouldn't say it's worth worrying about it, leave min-maxing to the net listers. Just build he unit you like the look of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I guess when there are more +1 to wound bonuses (rarer right now I think, definitely for stormcast) it'll even out to which bonus granting leader unit/warscroll batallion you're taking with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rokapoke Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Maybe the dual-wielding swords would help more? That way you reroll 1s to hit, so you're at 2+(rerollable)/4+ after the +1 to hit bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikester1487 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 So I've played with both warhammer/shield and warblade/shield, here's what I've experienced. Both are fairly weak against opponents with a decent save and increasing your to hit with a 2+ on a weapon with no rend does not net you much. I'm currently running 10 warblade/shields with 2 grandblades and they have been fairly effective as the grandblades put out a little more hurt. So if you like their look as I did I would just go warblades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace108 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Mikester is right, they seem weak against tough opponents unless you use the grandblade. I have dual-wielding swords Hallowed knights because I like the look. I prefer the war hammers and shields in game play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taketheskull Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 I go for warhammers (paired or with shield) using the following logic: Retributors have hammers and they crush face all the time, therefore, Liberators with hammers are more likely to crush face than if they had swords Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhsellwood Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 The advantage of Warblades is mainly aesthetic. If you, however, are fighting a unit that gives a minus to hit (such as Dryads or Plaguebearers) then the Warblade is marginally better. However, as The Jabber Tzeentch has said the difference is really minimal (against a model with a 4+ save we are talking about Warhammer's doing about 1 extra wound every 65 or so attacks) and not enough to my mind to require that one or the other is worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 16 hours ago, Lissë-Prime said: Basically I want to include Warblade Liberators because it looks cool. That's really all the reason you need! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Tomlin Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 21 hours ago, Lissë-Prime said: Does anyone find some advantages of Liberators with Warblades over Warhammers? They don't snap off like the Hammers!! (well, like the starter set ones anyway!) 21 hours ago, Lissë-Prime said: Basically I want to include Warblade Liberators because it looks cool. You just answered your own question bro! I know people will tell you all the reasons why Hammers are better, but I really think its negligible. Just go for the ones you like best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjgreenway Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 I'd completely forgotten that Liberators come with the option of warblades, only having the starter set ones at the moment. Another box alongside some more Retributors and Judicators has just become a must - after all, hammers are cool, but swords are cooler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lissë-Prime Posted July 26, 2016 Author Share Posted July 26, 2016 Thank you everyone for recommendations. I finally am assembling a unit of Stomcast w/ Warblades. Looks awesome! Will post some pics soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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