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AoS 2 - Seraphon Discussion

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1 hour ago, Calebexnihilo said:

Nice!!!! Well done! That base on the Dread is awesome! How much does that base weigh? lol

Quite a bit 😂 about double the size of a normal dread

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Does Gotrek have any place in a seraphon list?

Of all the armies I can see him viable in it would be seraphon- it provides an unbreakable hammer that helps us with a lot of scenarios such as 3 places of power or any scenario where we need a hammer to move a block off an objective. Obviously we are one of the fastest armies and the best at stealing objectives; however,  we struggle with having a hammer so that when 30 daughters or grimghasts take an objective, we don't have a great solution to moving them (outside of rippers with toad rage). Provided we take cogs in the list could gotrek work as a nigh-unkillable hammer that is better than any of our hammer options. I am also thinking about a handful of scenarios he helps with: shifting objectives, 3 places of power. Does he work in the scenarios where we need a hero to score or  a hammer to remove massive threats?

I remember a seraphon list with a celestant prime did very well in LVO last year; so now we have Gotrek as a better Celestent Prime.

Obviously the downsides are apparent: it's 520 points (yikes) and it has a 4 inch move. I am thinking if we take cogs and save a command point - Gotrek can still reasonably get into combat by turn 2. With the downsides is he viable? My first instinct is no; however, I think it may be worth playtesting him in a summoning heavy list and perhaps he could actually be a viable ally option.

Thoughts??

 

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The carnosaur always helps me whittle down the hordes with its roar, if I can roll higher d3 models run.  Granted its not a lot but every bit helps. 

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Slann
EoTG with Etheral Amulet
GOTREK!!!!!!
3x10 Skinks
3 Razordons
Skink Handlers
Bastiladon
Steggy
Thunderquake

1990!!

Not a lot of bodies and will struggle due to speed.... but I like it!!!

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Hey guys.

I'd like to prepare a double tournament coming soon at 2x1000 points. My friend wants to play Seraphon. I got some SCE, some free guild, lots of aelves, bretonnia etc. I'm wondering what would be the best synergy to have outside of Seraphon, so we could complement each other ?
I know we'll be facing some Khorne, some Nurgle, so I'd like to find a good synergy to root out evil, as the ancient ones would like it to be !
 

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On 6/15/2019 at 6:30 PM, SleeperAgent said:
30 minutes ago, Maturin said:

Hey guys.

I'd like to prepare a double tournament coming soon at 2x1000 points. My friend wants to play Seraphon. I got some SCE, some free guild, lots of aelves, bretonnia etc. I'm wondering what would be the best synergy to have outside of Seraphon, so we could complement each other ?
I know we'll be facing some Khorne, some Nurgle, so I'd like to find a good synergy to root out evil, as the ancient ones would like it to be !
 

Free Guild - Free guild + Seraphon is a lethal combination- Free guild complements everything you are trying to do- you have a large block that shoots very well and can hold objectives while with skinks and really good summoning at 1k - you can teleport out and really pressure your opponent's objectives- I know a freeguild and Seraphon list went 3-0 at Nova doubles- it was absolutely  brutal. Stormcast is always interesting but I think you get better shooting and more bodies with freeguild

 

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26 minutes ago, etlm1987 said:

I know a freeguild and Seraphon list went 3-0 at Nova doubles- it was absolutely  brutal

Cheers for your input mate. Are those list somewhere on the net ?

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6 minutes ago, Maturin said:

Cheers for your input mate. Are those list somewhere on the net ?

Don't see anything posted yet and guessing won't be for a little bit considering the event is less then a week old- but if you have the BCP app I know you can dig up the NOVA AOS Doubles lists

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20 minutes ago, etlm1987 said:

 BCP app.

What's that ? Sorry I'm not from the US.

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Best Coast Pairings App! I have it downloaded from itunes. I think you may need to subscribe to get archive lists

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6 minutes ago, etlm1987 said:

Best Coast Pairings App! I have it downloaded from itunes. I think you may need to subscribe to get archive lists

Ok thanks, found it, but yeah, I have to subscribe to get those lists :v. I spent enough on Warhammer already ;D

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If I recall I think it was a seraphon summoning list with 6 rippers and a steggy using a flame thrower. Teleporting both the steggy and the rippers- skink alpha moving the rippers for a manageable charge. I believe the freeguild was essentially a gunline and general on griffon

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9 minutes ago, etlm1987 said:

If I recall I think it was a seraphon summoning list with 6 rippers and a steggy using a flame thrower. Teleporting both the steggy and the rippers- skink alpha moving the rippers for a manageable charge. I believe the freeguild was essentially a gunline and general on griffon

Ok, I'll try to find about that and figure how everything synergize together. Cheers guys! Have you ever faced a SCE Skyborne Slayers?

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Most of the SCE lists were anvils of hammerheld- I don't think I saw a skyborne slayers list ( I could be wrong)

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2 minutes ago, etlm1987 said:

Most of the SCE lists were anvils of hammerheld- I don't think I saw a skyborne slayers list ( I could be wrong)

It's like a ShadowStrike, with a bit less potent units (and too much battlelines :D )

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21 hours ago, Maturin said:

Hey guys.

I'd like to prepare a double tournament coming soon at 2x1000 points. My friend wants to play Seraphon. I got some SCE, some free guild, lots of aelves, bretonnia etc. I'm wondering what would be the best synergy to have outside of Seraphon, so we could complement each other ?
I know we'll be facing some Khorne, some Nurgle, so I'd like to find a good synergy to root out evil, as the ancient ones would like it to be !
 

If you've got a phoenix in your elves and plan to have the slann actually casting spells, you can buff that phoenix save for a great mobile anvil. Plus durable phoenix guard to hold objectives and protect the slann. 

Or if you have some order draconis and they have rippers then you could go with a shadowstrike battalion seraphon list and make a great  alpha strike list. 

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1 hour ago, Dr Ben said:

If you've got a phoenix in your elves and plan to have the slann actually casting spells, you can buff that phoenix save for a great mobile anvil. Plus durable phoenix guard to hold objectives and protect the slann. 

Or if you have some order draconis and they have rippers then you could go with a shadowstrike battalion seraphon list and make a great  alpha strike list. 

Hey thanks for the idea, I've never thought about Draconis, and with an archmage ally they're perfect for a thousand points! They're a one trick pony though, once per game and tadaaaaa.

Phoenix Temple is neat if durability is needed. I played against a friends ShadowStrike host today, I barely managed to win, it's very good batallion!

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So I know there has been a lot of theory-crafting but I have played Gotrek in Seraphon and he is the real deal. It may be the best home for him because we do lack a true hammer.

I've gone 5-0 in practice games against

3 keeper slaanesh

4 bloodthirster list

Daughters of Khaine full hagnar

Tzeentch

Gitz

I think what ppl often forget is that since we can summon boatloads of skinks, he himself is a deathstar which allows us to move our slaan around the board to summon and steal objectives in addition to our astrolith bearer

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Agree. I've only played one practice game so far with Gotrek... And he performed wonderfully!

I played vs IDK. Gotrek held middle objective (along with some Skinks etc) and killed a full unit of 6 eels, King, and Aspect. Only took 1 wound.

He is by far Seraphon's best option for a scary hero unit.

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5 hours ago, aktanolt said:

Could you both tell us about the lists he comes with ?

He fits decently well in both of our good battalions.

Shadowstrike: Gotrek, Slann, EoTG, StarPriest, Astrolith, 3x10 Skinks, 6 rippers, purple sun (or cogs... Basically 80 pts left over for spells, an extra priest (to heal Gotrek) or another unit of Skinks)

Thunderquake: Gotrek, Slann, EoTG, 3x10 Skinks, 3 Razordons, 3 skink handlers, Bastiladon, Stegadon

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