GorbadIronClaw Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 As the tittle says: with the LoB out there, who is more powerful right now? Vhordrai is more expensive, and at first glance seems pretty more solid on the offense, but it seems LoB has levelled the two and I don´t know if the points difference is worth of it. Opinions? Pros and cons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanatos Ares Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Depends what else is in your list I think, as the VLoZDs command ability makes LoB Blood Knights truely danagerous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageBoss Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 In Legion of Blood, VLoZD all the time imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 i run LoS and am using the prince but mainly due to saving the 40 points literally cant buy me anything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianob Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Pros: Vhordrai is pretty much straight up better in combat and has a better spell and better dragon breath. Cons: Vhordrai's command ability does not always have a worthwhile target. 40 points more is a significant number, But as with most named characters, Vhordrai being unable to take an artifact (and denying you a command trait if he is your general) is the main reason to pass him over. VloZDs are therefore normally just a better choice. I think you only really run Vhordrai if you have another VLoZD to target with his command ability OR if he himself is the second VLoZD and you have 40 points spare to upgrade him a little bit. Personally I cant see me ever running him unless I try a silly 3 ZD list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themortalgod Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 In the legion of Blood I feel like VLoZD with Orb of Enchantment is superior to the prince. Being able to go toe to toe with any big bad in the game and deny them a whole turn of being able to attack is ridiculously good imo. I haven't run the math but VLoZD with LoB trait is similar damage output to Prince with Quickblood so in my books paying 40pts less for the VLoZD makes him the superior LoB choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honk Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 There is another threat asking for the „shooting attack“ from the prince. After some reading, I figured, that the „breath of shyish“ is not bound to the shooting phase. the app just states: breath: pick target, roll dice, thx so might want to do that after your melee attacks for the +1 bonus, to wipe the remaining models from the board... even after the combat phase, at the beginning of the battleshock phase, he might healed a tier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoalaSnok Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 It's in the FAQ for death. It's in the shooting phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageBoss Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 44 minutes ago, Honk said: There is another threat asking for the „shooting attack“ from the prince. After some reading, I figured, that the „breath of shyish“ is not bound to the shooting phase. the app just states: breath: pick target, roll dice, thx so might want to do that after your melee attacks for the +1 bonus, to wipe the remaining models from the board... even after the combat phase, at the beginning of the battleshock phase, he might healed a tier FAQ says it happens at the start of the shooting phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honk Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 I stand corrected. That is sad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ26 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 I take vhordrai every time but I also don't run LoB or run him as the general. The 6 mortals from the breath attack is awsome, so is the - 2 rend on the Lance and his +1 to hit and wound on all the attacks is great. He is a mortal wound/rend hammer that death lists need, the VLoZD is never a reliable damage dealer for me. I'll pay the 40pts extra so I can be assured that vhordrai will do what I always want the VLoZD to do(but usually doesn't) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 agree 100% @LJ26 he has always been the one model that pays for his points & more every game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorbadIronClaw Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 On 29/4/2018 at 1:24 AM, LJ26 said: I take vhordrai every time but I also don't run LoB or run him as the general. The 6 mortals from the breath attack is awsome, so is the - 2 rend on the Lance and his +1 to hit and wound on all the attacks is great. He is a mortal wound/rend hammer that death lists need, the VLoZD is never a reliable damage dealer for me. I'll pay the 40pts extra so I can be assured that vhordrai will do what I always want the VLoZD to do(but usually doesn't) Can´t talk about the VLoZD effectiveness by myself (I´m just starting my Death Army :-) ) but people here seem to be very confident about him specially now with LoB out there. Has you used LoB and still find the generic VLoZD not worth of his points value, or didn´t you have the chance yet? I still find Vhordrai very reasonable point´s wise at first, but again, I didn´t used him yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scourn1 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 For my LoB amry I plan to run Prince and the Generic. Generic is of course the warlord since he can gain the artifacts and traits. Prince is just there to run around murdering. Gives 2 major threats. Rest is units of blood knights and some batswarms to help vs shooting armies. If you can only take 1, Generic is 100% always better as the slight boosts from named guys never are worth the cost or the customization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arael_Greywings Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I was thinking of using the VLoZD with the Nuhlamia Battalion. I thought in combination with Pinions he would be a super fast "in your face" Hammer with 14 + 4 +5 = 23" Movement + Charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ26 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 20 hours ago, GorbadIronClaw said: Can´t talk about the VLoZD effectiveness by myself (I´m just starting my Death Army :-) ) but people here seem to be very confident about him specially now with LoB out there. Has you used LoB and still find the generic VLoZD not worth of his points value, or didn´t you have the chance yet? I still find Vhordrai very reasonable point´s wise at first, but again, I didn´t used him yet I've used the VLoZD a lot and he can be very choppy when you use his command ability to reroll all hits on himself, with out it he flops about half the time in combat (I don't run numbers, I just go by what I've played). He has minimal rend and a minus 1 to hit (which nearly every army has access to) pretty much negates the dragon attacks. The breath attack is nice with rend 3 but it's d6 damage while vhordrais breath attack is a flat 6 mortal wounds. Rend 3 is nice but with Idoneth coming out and storm cast 2up rerolling 1 armor saves mortal wounds are essential. They both have the exact same defensive capabilities (which is great bc they're tanks) so there is no compromise there. I also don't run LoB bc it doesn't seem very competitive to me, perhaps in fun lists. The out flanking in LoN is dope. So is the +1 to cast in LoS. I don't have nagash so haven't tried the 1st cohort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracothjay Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 vhodrai is best served as a YOLO or support entity. He wouldn’t make a great general in my eyes, but I could see him and the palanquinn would make some good synergy togeather. i think he’s a beefier killing machine than the VLoZD, but that’s just my take. Let’s not forget his breath attack. 6 mortal wounds, flat. Just insane. I love it. Im running vhodrai in my 2K GHoN list come Monday, running him up the flank with 4 morghast will make a devastating ?. As for my general it will be a flying horror VL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgregs Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 If you take a VLOZD in a legion of blood list every melee weapon in its profile gets the +1 attack due to " favored retainers" correct? so thats +1 attack to the vampires death lance/sword and +1 attack to the dragons Maw and Claws? Or is it just +1 attack to the vampires death lance/sword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracothjay Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Jgregs, I’m also wondering if prince vhodrai’s QUICKBLOOD spell just effects his lance only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ26 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Dracothjay said: Jgregs, I’m also wondering if prince vhodrai’s QUICKBLOOD spell just effects his lance only? It definitely works for the dragon aswell. It's very specific Command traits and artifacts don't affect mounts, everything else does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oogje Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 On 2-5-2018 at 7:17 PM, Jgregs said: If you take a VLOZD in a legion of blood list every melee weapon in its profile gets the +1 attack due to " favored retainers" correct? so thats +1 attack to the vampires death lance/sword and +1 attack to the dragons Maw and Claws? Or is it just +1 attack to the vampires death lance/sword Vhordrai isn't a vampire lord or did I miss something that makes him a VL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honk Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Jep, not the keyword „lord“ guess Nagash took that from him... stupid gw btw does anybody know where the reanimant keyword from the morghast comes from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haneybird Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 The Reanimant keyword is their species keyword, similar to Vampire, Mortal, or Daemon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honk Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Yes, well I get that, but there is no „use“ for the keyword... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoalaSnok Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Same with malignant.. So far at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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