Oogje

That's a list with a plan of attack! Not sure about the midnight tome, I don't think the magic is particularly strong and with the banshees you have enough to dispel. But I wouldn't know which one I'd replace it with. Also would chainghast be a nice Backline objective holder why they atleast impact the board with a shooting attack? Bubble them with chainrasp.. I don't know definitely going to try this essence this core that you thought up in a vanguard game to get a good feel of what nighthaunt does best. Thanks for the ideas

That isn't a lot of bodies, what's your plan on taking objectives?

Yeah maybe having less topics would be a good idea.. But you gotta box it all some way I think the discussion started with a list with Nagash in it and how tight it is to fit anything in such a list (or was that another thread? mobile phones are terrible for this hehe). Vhordrai and Nagash in one list is way to heavy on points you can't fit decent battlelines in it and it leaves little room for enough necros. Vhordrai and arkhan on the otherhand does leave more room. Reason I switch to arkhan is that I get your 3 army type comment, but isn't all those plusses to cast a strong suite of death and something that should definitely be abused? And after that summonable unit summoning and thus dance macab is the nuts. I'm rambling a bit but my point is, you want to get off dance macab on a big block of summonable units and destroy anything that's on your objective.. So in the end the list always sums up to : strong caster(s) , multiple heroes, big blobs, enough heroes for summonable unit abusal. So you are always ending up with an attrition list because that short sum of strengths suits attrition!

It's an f-ing challenge that's what it is! 1200 points for heroes and 3 battlelines is a big challenge for me. For instance Nagash+necro+VL=1040 points, picking 2x40 skellies or 40/30 skells/GGs leave you with 1610 or 1750.. All in all it just feels super tight. Would you for instance ever run a skeleton squad as sub 40? [EDIT]: Maybe we should just make a list, what is core in a death list running Nagash, with the current available missions in mind. Actually... this does kind of fit... I think I'll just have to accept I can't run 120 skellies, 30 reapers and multiples heroes next to nagash... Allegiance: Grand Host of NagashMortal Realm: ShyishLeadersNagash Supreme Lord Of The Undead (800)- General- Lores of the Dead Spell 1: Overwhelming Dread (Deathmages)- Lores of the Dead Spell 2: Fading Vigour (Deathmages)- Lores of the Dead Spell 3: Spectral Grasp (Deathmages)Necromancer (110)- Lore of the Deathmages: DecrepifyVampire Lord (140)- Mount: Flying Horror- Artefact: Ossific Diadem - Lore of the Vampires: Vile Transference/pinions?Battleline40 x Skeleton Warriors (280)- Ancient Blades40 x Skeleton Warriors (280)- Ancient Blades5 x Dire Wolves (60)Units20 x Grimghast Reapers (280)Total: 1950 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 136

I'm not sure but I really hope so. I mean he's the God of death if he can't be the general of a nighthaunt army, can you really look in the mirror and say.. Nagash is the undisputed God king of death?

But doesn't a VL flying horror do more for the 20 points?

To lord or not to lord? Is the battelion worht it? I would love to write an indepth article that everybody could pick to the bone. But to be fair, all I have is theory and just to little games/matched play under by belt. So if anybody reads something and likes to mathhammer or give some anecdotal proof of what works and doesn't, I'll be happy to edit it in my posts.. eventually getting a solid amount of information that everybody can interpet on his/her own terms! So that's me trying to outsource good writing The small undeniable fact and kick off, the cost! Arkah, Mortis, 2x Necro = 720, and the cost for the battelion is 130, bringing the total to 850. So that leaves us with 1150 points. You could argue that you get 50 points back because of the extra command point. But you can spend it on plastic, that's a fact. 850... If you run double necro, you got access to Macab and running the best battleline death seems like a good idea (not talking about wolves :P). 3x280 = 840 points worth of skelletons may seem like a bad idea. But I recently purchased movement trays, so I like it. So 840 more 1690... Every time i play versus another army what strikes be as "unfair" is the mobility some armies have. Death doesn't have it if you play with 120 skellies, but if you ever played starcraft a Protoss deathball sounds like an actual strategy. I do want to run utility endless spells; cronomatic cogs for increased charge and run speed and umbral spellportal to keep the casters save casting dance macab from a greater distance! That's 120.. 1810.. A bit lord light, adding a vampire lord seems like a good way to drop some skellies from a gravesite near enemies! 140.. 1950. 50 points = command point! So that's it I'm done theory crafting this part... 1x Arkhan 1x Mortis Engine 2x Necro 1x Vampire lord 3x 40 Skellies 1x Umbral spellportal 1x Chronomantic Cogs 1x Command point ____ 2000 points

Not really on topic, but it's about spirit Hosts does Frightful Touch ever trigger if the spirit host have a total modifier to hit of - 1?