Thiagoma Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Who else is excited about our frosty and flame bois? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiagoma Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share Posted September 27, 2019 What we know so far: The Battalion The City Ability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiagoma Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share Posted September 27, 2019 Wonder if Shadow Warriors are gona get Phoenix Temple Alligeance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Thiagoma said: Who else is excited about our frosty and flame bois? Oh, me, me! The battalion looks neat enough, although I do wonder what sort of traits, artifacts and prayers we're going to get. Quote What we know so far The wizards also get the empowered Ghryan spells, only emerald lifeswarm so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiagoma Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share Posted September 27, 2019 I belive all CoS wizards cast all Endless with the buffs, not just the spells in the city realm. Some nasty combos can be used that way. I hope the birds warscroll keep the atunned to magic rules, it is a fun unique mechanic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Neat, that's even better. I can't imagine they'll tinker with the Phoenixes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiagoma Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share Posted September 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Tiger said: Neat, that's even better. I can't imagine they'll tinker with the Phoenixes. I can. Gw have been ajusting points for it for 3 years in a row, so maybe they will change the warscrolls to make the riderless Phoenix buffed somehow. IMO the option without a rider is worthless: - It loses Witness to Destiny, one of the freatures that makes the Phoenix famous for being tough, leaving it with a whooping 5+ save. - It also loses its attacks that are not reduced by damage (Halberd 4 atks 3+/3+ dmg 1 rend 1) It is such a loss for that nerfs both damage output AND resilience that the 80 pts discount do not offset. On top of that you still had to pay the point cost for a Battalion that had 50% chance of dealing d3 MW, and required both Phoenix to be riderless. It was so bad i wouldnt play with it even at 0pts cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMMachine Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 12 hours ago, Thiagoma said: Wonder if Shadow Warriors are gona get Phoenix Temple Alligeance. I have the feeling that shadow warriors have more in common with the Shadowblades than the Phoenix Temple (I know the Shadow Warriors have scale armour while the dark riders have chainmail but it is still a more similar theme). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiagoma Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 57 minutes ago, EMMachine said: I have the feeling that shadow warriors have more in common with the Shadowblades than the Phoenix Temple (I know the Shadow Warriors have scale armour while the dark riders have chainmail but it is still a more similar theme). Indeed it fits the units lore. There was a rumor about it joining PG some time ago. I asked on FB but got the "wait and see" answer. Edited September 27, 2019 by Thiagoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AthelLoren Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Thiagoma said: Indeed it fits the units lore. There was a rumor about it joining PG some time ago. I asked on FB but got the "wait and see" answer. Actually, I'm hoping it gets rolled in with wanderers. We DO share a kit, after all. But I can see them joining Shadowblades and/or Pheonix Temple, but luckily it looks like everyone can use Shadow Warriors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michu Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I think that if they kept their "shadow" name and has an ability that let them blend with the shadows then Shadowblades it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiagoma Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share Posted September 27, 2019 24 minutes ago, AthelLoren said: Actually, I'm hoping it gets rolled in with wanderers. We DO share a kit, after all. But I can see them joining Shadowblades and/or Pheonix Temple, but luckily it looks like everyone can use Shadow Warriors. If i understood correctly everyone can use every unit, the only conditionals are gona be the Battleline options, battalions and city traits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiagoma Posted September 28, 2019 Author Share Posted September 28, 2019 Phoenix Temple Changes! Anointed: - Can try to dispell 1 Endless Spell on your Hero Phase and one on the Enemy Hero Phase. - Command Ability now have Range 12" instead of 8" Phoenix Guard: - Rend -1 (yay) - Banners now only give 1 bravery. No more 2 bravery if close to another PG unit with another banner. - Drummers now gives +1 charge instead of re-roll 1s on run and charge. - Emboldened up from 8' to 12' but now requires to be Wholly Within a PG hero - Aura of Dread is gone. The Birds! - Attuned to magic Nerfed: Now requires that the spell is not unbound and also can only give you +1 save. - Flame and Frosty now have save 4 instead of 5. - Flamespyre Wake of Fire now deal Fixed damage (5 and goes down to 1). Wake of Fire now requires a roll of 2+ - Flamespyre Phoenix Reborn now do not have to be set up at 9" from the enemy. - Both Phoenix with Anointed also have their CA range increased to 12" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiagoma Posted September 28, 2019 Author Share Posted September 28, 2019 Point changes Phoenix Temple: Fire Phoenix -80 Ice Phoenix -20 Anointed +20 Hero Flame Phoenix -60 Phoenix Guard +20 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopHatCat Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 So I have to ask. With this new book we get new "Phoenicium" battle traits, artefacts, spells etc. Along with a new Battalion (Phoenix Flight). Can you still take the Spyreheart Warhost Battalion from Generals Handbook/GA: Order? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiagoma Posted October 3, 2019 Author Share Posted October 3, 2019 Not sure, but be aware that the battalion demands that the Birds have no anointeds on. It is pretty bad imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Thiagoma said: Not sure, but be aware that the battalion demands that the Birds have no anointeds on. It is pretty bad imo. Phoenixes without the 4++ given by riding Anointed sucks, as do the battalion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaubinski Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Has anyone made any mock lists yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 4 hours ago, beaubinski said: Has anyone made any mock lists yet? I have the intent to make a Phoenix Temple, however, I feel the Phoenicium is quite underwhelming compared to the rest of the sister cities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiagoma Posted October 4, 2019 Author Share Posted October 4, 2019 49 minutes ago, Tiger said: I have the intent to make a Phoenix Temple, however, I feel the Phoenicium is quite underwhelming compared to the rest of the sister cities. Same here. Phoenix Temple veteran here, but i will take my birds to another city. Having trouble to find out a good way to field then in Phoenicium 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arael Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 18 hours ago, Thiagoma said: Not sure, but be aware that the battalion demands that the Birds have no anointeds on. It is pretty bad imo. You can use both the version with or without the anointed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiagoma Posted October 4, 2019 Author Share Posted October 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Arael said: You can use both the version with or without the anointed Originally yes, but it was changed to only allow birds without an Anointed. That is the reason why no one used this battalion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arael Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Thiagoma said: Originally yes, but it was changed to only allow birds without an Anointed. That is the reason why no one used this battalion. Exscuse me, I thought u were speaking of the new phoenicium battalion. The old battalion cannot be taken, unless u take it with the ally point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratigo Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 On 10/4/2019 at 2:01 AM, Thiagoma said: Same here. Phoenix Temple veteran here, but i will take my birds to another city. Having trouble to find out a good way to field then in Phoenicium Phoenecium has the potential to be the best of the cities. It leans hard on the phoenix battalion, but phoenixes are an extremely solid unit. You have a pile in and attack on death CA too. If you have ever played skaven, you will know just how good that is. Big unit of phoenix guard, 3 to 4 phoenixes, and a couple of chaff, and your army is a solid ball of tanking. It's pretty close to the old phoenix order soup army. I am just wondering whether a wizard on griffin is worth dropping a fire phoenix for or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arael Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 Well with phoenicium u can have 3 anointed on phoenix charging straight, the middle one will be the general casting every round gold mist, healing d3+1 to each phoenix (+1 for battalion) and giving all of them +1 save, with 2 4+4+ save Tnk to aqshy amulet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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