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    Buying 2xFEC Start Collecting! Boxes, Need List Help!

    After looking this up I think I'm in love! BIG Monsters? Sign me up. I adore the idea behind this list, just the sort of army I'm looking for! Think I'm going to start off by buy 2 FEC boxes, get everything built and painted (save myself from the "Plastic pile of Shame" if I were to buy it all at once), maybe play a few 1k or 1.5k games get a feel for AoS see if I do enjoy it, then invest into finishing off that list. Very excited, thanks for pointing it out!
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    AoS 2 - Disciples of Tzeentch Discussion

    Just for some theorycrafting fun/a starting point. If you were to build a Daemons of Tzeentch army using only the Start Collecting boxes; (So 2xBurning Chariot (Which we can stick a Herald or Flamer on), 2xHerald (on foot, on disc, or on the Chariot), 6xFlamers, 6xScreamers and 20xPink Horrors) What sort of list would you build? Obviously not going to be optimal, can also in theory convert some units, but for starting out at 1,000pts, what would you chose? (plus Artefacts, Spells, all that good stuff) (I'm guessing something like, Herald on Chariot, 20 Pink Horrors, 3 Screamers, 3 Screamers and Chariot for 960? Yeah I've no idea whats good haha!) Looking to help a friend get started and they want to buy 2 of the Start Collecting boxes before they go up in price (Since they love the Daemons way more than Tzaangors). So please help me pick the best of the "worst" haha, so can have some fun casual games at the very least!
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    Undiscovered Power Lists: Order Draconis

    Considering this post is 2years old now (found it via the search bar), thought I'd just ask the question... Is it still viable/worth investing in? Seems quite cheap and incredibly fun! So thought I'd perform a quick bit of Necromancy and find out haha!
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    AoS 2 - Phoenix Temple Discussion

    I've become quite enamored by this faction, I absolutely adore the Phoenix's and would love an ice themed army. Plus all the 2k lists in here seem really fun! So I have a few questions; 1. Can 1k lists be built/viable? (Guessing 2 Anointed on Frosthearts and 30 Guard? Or 1 Frostheart, ally Mage and fill rest with 40~ Guard) 2. If I start at 1k and build up to 2k, is the faction worth the investment? Or monetarily is it overpriced/underpowered? 3. What is the definitive/"best" or atleast most popular 2k list composition? 4. How long (if ever) do you think it would be until they get a true tome, and when they do, do you think it would change a lot/make certain models unviable (like currently there's no pts cost to mounting an Anointed on a Phoenix, so no reason not to) (And since they don't have their own Discussion thread, are Order Draconis still an "undiscovered power list"? Haha ) Thanks!
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    Buying 2xFEC Start Collecting! Boxes, Need List Help!

    Just feels that way to me at the moment for the armies I really like, FEC are Summoning focused (despite me feeling that's more sorta Death/Zombie/Skeletons kindof area), Lizardmen (so salty at their new playstyle lol), BoC, Tzeentch, Chaos in general... But hey since I'm asking what's the average number of Ghouls you -should- have for 1k, 1.5k, 2k etc. I'll look into that list, Thank you! Though that's a heck of a lot of boxes haha, guessing I'm a fool for thinking I can get into the hobby on the cheap for sub £100-ish/or via SC boxes >.>;; Still this is some great feedback so thank you for your help! :D
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    Buying 2xFEC Start Collecting! Boxes, Need List Help!

    I was just hoping to get by on Summoning some Horrors and replenishing Ghouls (as can only assume they die in droves), was probably gonna get 1 extra box of Ghouls just in case too... leaving me with like, 30 in the list, 40 in total... But by the sounds of things I'm gonna need like 50 more boxes? 🤣 Baaaah I hate the Summoning culture that smothers AoS at the moment! Wanted to Start Lizardmen too but they're all Slanns and Skinks and Summoning at the mo! (Granted, it's a smart move on GW's part, hey buy these extra models just in case! 😂) So should I not bother at all or? 😢 Won't lie I don't mind fielding like 40-50 models (*ghouls) but defo not a Horde style of player. Just looking for a good jumping on point (Gonna go ahead and plug my previous thread on the subject:
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    AoS 2 - Beastclaw Raiders Discussion

    This is the exact kind of honesty I was searching for, you explain WHY they aren't that great in good detail which is what I was looking for, nice to hear a solid understanding over true love haha. As you say, it's much more sensible to give a new player an enjoyable experience, rather than "pick an army you like the look of (but will lose every game)". So thank you! Coming from Fantasy I was a big fan of Ogre Kingdoms (*Gutbusters? Feh! :P) so honestly, I can just wait on BCR to get good/Gutbusters to get a Battletome, so no real loss
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    AoS 2 - Beastclaw Raiders Discussion

    I've recently become really curious about BCR due to how good their Start Collecting! box value is, I already have some old Ogre Kingdom stuff I could ally in, so very curious if this faction is worth the investment for a new AoS, (old Fantasy) player? I did a little list theorizing and came up with; Allegiance: Beastclaw Raiders Mortal Realm: Ghur Frostlord on Stonehorn (420) - General - Trait: Massive Bulk - Artefact: Gryph-feather Charm Butcher (140) - Pair of Stump Blades and Great Cauldron - Allies Orruk Great Shaman (120) - Mount: War Boar - Allies 4 x Mournfang Pack (320) - Gargant Hackers 4 x Mournfang Pack (320) - Gargant Hackers Thundertusk Beastriders (340) Thundertusk Beastriders (340) Total: 2000 / 2000 Extra Command Points: 0 Allies: 260 / 400 Wounds: 97 For just an all-around list, tanky Frostlord for charging in, Butcher and Shaman to support our units/dispell Spells, 2 Thundertusks to blast at things as we march forward. Or; Allegiance: Beastclaw Raiders Mortal Realm: Ghur Huskard on Thundertusk (360) - General - Harpoon Launcher - Trait: Everwinter's Master - Artefact: Gryph-feather Charm Butcher (140) - Pair of Stump Blades and Great Cauldron - Allies 4 x Mournfang Pack (320) - Gargant Hackers 4 x Mournfang Pack (320) - Gargant Hackers 2 x Mournfang Pack (160) - Culling Clubs or Prey Hackers with Iron Fists Thundertusk Beastriders (340) Thundertusk Beastriders (340) Malevolent Maelstrom (20) Total: 2000 / 2000 Extra Command Points: 0 Allies: 140 / 400 Wounds: 103 For a more of a shooty/"Alpha-Strike" list, just try and go all out turn 1 with the 3xThundertusks and keep them healed up during the game with our Huskard/Butcher, hopefully giving our Mournfangs chance to get into combat unharmed/not focused. But yeah complete noob when it comes to AoS never even played a game yet haha! Need to pop down to a local Geedubs and get a demo or something haha. So yeah, is the faction worth investing into? I've heard both good and bad, but mostly bad haha! Let me know!
  9. Heya gang, So I'm looking to get into AoS on the cheap end, so since the Start Collecting boxes are such amazing value I really love the idea of buying 2 of those and just getting stuck in! Hooooowever I'm an old Fantasy player and have yet to take the dive into AoS so not very familiar with what's good etc. So would love to get some Army List advice! These are the Army Lists I've worked out so far, but I'd love for people to join me in this theorycrafting! From 2x SC boxes you get 2x GK on Terror/Dragon (or GK on foot and Monster solo), 6x Horrors/Flayers and 20x Ghouls. (Plus could likely convert a Crypt Ghast Courtier very easily). I'm also looking to split the Carrion Empire set with a friend meaning I'll get an addition 1x GK on foot, 6x Horrors/Flayers and 10x Ghouls. So with that in mind, I've worked on a few lists; Main List - 1,500pts; Allegiance: Flesh Eater Courts Abhorrant Ghoul King on Zombie Dragon (440) - General - Trait: Dark Wizardry Abhorrant Ghoul King on Terrorgheist (400) - Artefact: The Grim Garland 10 x Crypt Ghouls (100) 10 x Crypt Ghouls (100) 10 x Crypt Ghouls (100) 6 x Crypt Horrors (320) Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (40) Total: 1500 / 1500 Extra Command Points: 0 Allies: 0 / 200 Wounds: 82 With all the mini's we have access to it rounds out nicely to a 1.5k Army. The main goal of the list is for the GK on Zombie Dragon to Summon a Varghulf Courtier (which I don't mind buying), and then our GK on Terrorgheist Summons another unit of Crypt Horrors, allowing the Courtier to support both units of Horrors (refilling whenever any die/or refilling any nearby Ghouls when stuff dies). I'm not SUPER familiar with Malign Sorcery so I feel like there are likely some better Artefact choices in there, so please feel free to tweek and improve the list as that's exactly the sort of help I'm seeking! 1,000pts; Allegiance: Flesh Eater Courts Abhorrant Ghoul King (140) - General - Trait: Magestic Horror Varghulf Courtier (160) - Artefact: Blood River Chalice 10 x Crypt Ghouls (100) 10 x Crypt Ghouls (100) 6 x Crypt Horrors (320) 3 x Crypt Horrors (160) Quicksilver Swords (20) Total: 1000 / 1000 Extra Command Points: 0 Allies: 0 / 200 Wounds: 70 The idea of this list is that the Varghulf supports the 2 units of Horrors, hopefully refilling the 3x strong unit with extra bodies, whilst the Ghoul King sticks near the Ghouls and supports them/makes new units, pretty simple. Focuses more on Horrors, since can always just Summon more Ghouls. I was tempted to run a GK on Dragon to cheat in the Courtier but the points never quite worked out. 2,000pts; I was going to start this list off similar to the 1.5k version, have my GK on Dragon summon in a Varghulf to support my Horrors, but after that I got kindof stuck.. I'm actually not entirely sure what I want to do for 2k points, since I'll be starting around 1,500pts I don't mind buying a few extra units to flesh out into a 2k army. I'd likely pick a Battalion at this stage and the easiest/best looking ones would have to be Attendants at Court (which leads nicely into Abattoir and King's Ghouls but they don't seem that great..?) and Ghoul Patrol, already having most of the models required to take advantage of them! (Would just need to invest/convert a Haunter Courtier. But honestly not exactly sure which direction to go/which units to pick for my list and which to summon during the game. So any and all advice here is more than welcome! So over all I've listed what units I'll have available (and like I said don't mind investing in a few other units, but want to try and keep things cheap!) but would love some advice from better FEC players! So please feel free to tweek/changes the lists or heck just write up a whole new one using what we have! 🎩 😸 So BIG Thanks in advance for helping a "new" player! You rock! ❤️
  10. Yeah this is what I've been told :'< It's deeply upsetting as they're easily in my top3 favorite Races in AoS... Do you think they might get reworked later on in the year? Make things less Summon focused/Make Saurus better to balance them out next to the Skinks? Otherwise... I did however also work on 2 more lists, using my "Start Collecting!" only requisite too! Been really fun theorycrafting for sure! Let me know if these are any better/if you can recommend anything else from all of the above. Allegiance: Flesh-Eater Courts Leaders Abhorrant Ghoul King on Zombie Dragon (440) - General - Trait: Magestic Horror Abhorrant Ghoul King on Terrorgheist(400) - Artefact: The Grim Garland Battleline 10 x Crypt Ghouls (100) 10 x Crypt Ghouls (100) 10 x Crypt Ghouls (100) 6 x Crypt Horrors (320) Endless Spells; Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (40) Total: 1500 / 1500 Extra Command Points: 0 Allies: 0 / 400 Wounds: 82 Again, hits at £80~ since it's only 2 boxes! Hoooowever.... The main goal of the list is for the GK on Zombie Dragon to Summon a Varghulf Courtier, and our GK on Terrorgheist to Summon another unit of Crypt Horrors, allowing the Courtier to support both units of Horrors (refilling it whenever any die/or refilling any Ghouls too), meaning it's +£22 for the Varghulf and +£48 for 6 more Horrors.... We could possibly get away with just 3 and just keep resummoning them when they die. But hey still not too bad. Side-note: I'm quite interested in this list as a friend wants to split the Carrion Empires set, meaning I'd get the 6 more Horrors and some more Ghouls, so defo an option! But again kinda want a semi-decent army and not heard the best things about FEC. ----------------------------------------------------------- Also worked on 2x Beastclaw Raider boxes as it works out super solid value wise! Allegiance: Beastclaw Raiders Leaders Huskard on Thundertusk (360) - General - Harpoon Launcher - Trait: Everwinter's Master - Artefact: Ice Mammoth Skull Plate (or Gryph-feather Charm) Butcher (140) - Pair of Stump Blades and Great Cauldron - Allies Battleline 4 x Mournfang Pack (320) - Gargant Hackers 4 x Mournfang Pack (320) - Gargant Hackers Thundertusk Beastriders (340) Total: 1480 / 1500 Extra Command Points: 0 Allies: 140 / 400 Wounds: 79 Again this list doesn't run just by itself, having no Wizard is a huge downfall so we allied in a Butcher with Cauldron, All of it's buffs are fantastic to roll with our Beastclaw Raiders... plus combining his Troggoth Guts Cauldron Roll (Roll 2 on a D6, he heals D3 wounds and all friendly Ogor's within 14" heal 1 wound) with out Huskard's Blizzard-speaker Ability (On a 3+ he can restore D3 wounds to a unit within 18"), we have a weirdly good amount of healing. Not to mention his Voracious Maw spell is fantastic! It does however add £36 to our total just pushing us over £100 again. But you might be able to score some good deals on ebay or such, so none of these are a wash. Side-note: Another list I'm really interested in since I already have a Butcher from my old Ogre Kingdom bits which is handy. (Disclaimer: Huge Big Thank You! To all the people who have helped with these lists in the /r/AoS Discord with suggestions and advice, really helped!)
  11. I've been building lists all day and this is what I finally came around too... Allegiance: Seraphon Leaders Slann Starmaster (260) (Zectoka) - General - Trait: Arcane Might - Artefact: Incandescent Rectrices Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (260) (Ku-Quar) Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (260) Saurus Astrolith Bearer (160) Saurus Sunblood (120) Saurus Scar-Veteran on Cold One (100) Battleline 10 x Saurus Knights (180) - Blades 10 x Saurus Warriors (100) - Spears 10 x Saurus Warriors (100) - Spears 10 x Saurus Warriors (100) - Spears Behemoths Troglodon (160) Battalions Sunclaw Starhost (130) Fangs of Sotek (70) Total: 2000 / 2000 Extra Command Points: 3 Allies: 0 / 400 Wounds: 113 I'm originally had a Skink Starpriest in the list, but sadly ended up dropping it and 5 Saurus Knights for both my Battalions. Honestly, probably need him, maybe should have dropped the Scar-Vet on Cold One instead... But saying that, the Slann can dispell 3 spells a turn!! Sooo, that's pretty bonkers. Miiiiight be able to get by. But hey, here's my first real attempt and probably my main contender for the army I'd like to pick-up (or atleast what I can make for my £80~ stipulation, thooough do gotta add +£30 for the Slann n' grab some Green Stuff haha!) Hoping I can get some feedback on this and all the other rough lists, it's been a really fun task looking at each Start Collecting! box and seeing what you can make with 2 of them.
  12. I've also recently found out the Lizardmen set is ripe for conversions if your decent at Greenstuff! A huge big Thank You to this post!; SO in theory I could possible, for 2 boxes, get... 1x Oldblood/Scar-Vet on Carnosaur (260/240pts) 1x Oldblood/Scar-Vet on Carnosaur (260/240pts) 1x Saurus Scar-Vet on Cold One (100pts) 1x Eternity Warden/Sunblood/Oldblood (140/120/120pts) 1x Skink Starpriest (80pts) 1x Saurus Astrolith Bearer (160pts) 1x Troglodon (160pts) 15x Saurus Knights (270pts) 30~x Saurus Warriors (since own a spare box) (300pts) Possible Total of: [1730pts]~ish Depending on which units we take. Would this help me make a better list for Lizzies? They are defo one of my favorite armies so it's rather tempting!
  13. Heya gang, brand new player to AoS (played 40k and bit of fantasy). Looking to get started for roughly £100, so been looking at the "Start Collecting!" bundles (since can buy 2x for like £80~). I'm just wondering which can give me a mildly viable list, obviously want something GOOD to start with, my only problem being I have no idea what's good or not since never played the new game yet haha! Soooo.... been looking at; (p.s. terrible at Battalions so prob missed possible chances) Daemons of Tzeentch; 1x Herald on Chariot (200pts) 1x Herald on Foot (140pts) 1x Burning Chariot (160pts) 6x Flamers of Tzeentch (320pts) 6x Screamers of Tzeentch (200pts) 20x Pink Horrors (400pts) Total: [1420pts] (Possibly spend last 80pts on a Monster or Chaos Spawn or something). Beasts of Chaos; 2x Great Bray-Shaman (200pts) 10x Ungors (60pts) 1x Herdstone (0pts) (*bought separately) 10x Ungors Raiders (80pts) 20x Bestigors (240pts) 2x Ghorgon (400pts) Total: [980pts] (Your kindof required to get a Herdstone but atleast they are cheap~ish!) Flesh-Eater Courts; 1x Ab Ghoulking on Terrorgheist (400pts) 1x Ab Ghoulking on Foot (140pts) 1x Terrorgheist/Zombie Dragon (300pts) 6x Crypt Horrors/Flayers (320pts) 20x Crypt Ghouls (200pts) Total: [1360pts] (Leaving 140pts left to play with, so like 1 extra box of something). Beastclaw Raiders; 1x Huskard on Stonehorn (340pts) 1x Stonehorn Beast Riders (320pts) 8x Mournfang Pack (640pts) Eurlbad Battalion (170pts) Total: [1470pts]. Really not sure what to do here since feel like Battalions are super important, but 2x of the kit gives; 2x Stonehorn/Thundertusk (/w Forstlord/Huskard/Beastrider options) and 8x Mournfang Riders. So if anyone can whip up a better list that'd be great! (Might also look into the Braggoth's Beasthammer Battalion, that looks fun haha!). Fyreslayers; 1x Auric Runefather on Magmadroth (260pts) 1x Auric Runeson on Magmadroth (240pts) 2x Auric Runesmither (240pts) 2x Auric Runeson (160pts) 20x Vulkite Berserkers (240pts) Total: [1140pts]. I also own Fjul-Grimnir & The Chosen Axes (140pts) which could be added in. Sylvanteh; 1x Treelord Ancient (300pts) 1x Treelord Ancient (300pts) 1x Branchwych (80pts) 30x Dryads (270pts) Total: [950pts]. Sadly leaves out 1 Branchwych but plenty to do here, you could also take Spirit of Durthu (380), Ancient (300), 2 Brancywych (160) & 30 Dryads (270) for a total of 1110pts and fill the rest in for 1.5k. Lizardmen; 1x Oldblood on Carnosaur (260pts) 1x Scar-Vet on Carnosaur (240pts) (or swap for 1x Troglodon + 5x Knights for 990pts total) 10x Saurus Knights (180pts) 30x Saurus Warriors (300pts) Total: [980pts] (Not the best pts wise but damn I do love Lizardmen shame). Stormcast; Stormcast Vanguard 2x Lord-Aquilor (400pts) 6x Vanguard Palladors (400pts) 10x Vanguard-Hunters (240pts) 6x Gryph-Hounds (140pts) Total: [1180pts]... hm, kinda awkward pts wise... But since I already own them could also add Farstriders (100pts) and Steelheart's Champions (100pts) to the list for 1380pts then add Neave Blacktalon (120pts) to make it [1500pts] exactly haha. Otherwise could look at an extra unit of Vanguard-Hunters (120pts) and take the Angelos Battalion (160pts) to make it a nice 1460pts. or Thunderstrike Brotherhood 2x Lord-Celestant on Dracoth (440pts) 2x Lord-Relictor (200pts) 2x Retributors (220pts) 6x Prosecutors (200pts) 20x Liberators (400pts) Total: [1460pts] (There's also an easy possibility for conversions here too, like turning 1 Lord-C into Vandus Hammerhand, or a Relictor into a Knight-Vexillor etc, stuff like that, if it helped). We also have the Battleforce Boxes! (Equivalent in price to 2x Start Collecting! Boxes, so thought I'd cover them too); Seraphon Strikehost Battleforce Box; 1x Skink Starpriest (80pts) 1x Bastiladon (280pts) 1x Troglodon (160pts) 1x Saurus Oldblood on foot (120pts) 6x Ripperdactyl Riders (280pts) 20x Skinks (120pts) Shadowstrike Starhost Battalion (180pts) Total: [1220pts] but could also convert the Troglodon and upgrade the Oldblood onto a Carnosaur for +140pts making it 1360pts for the box. Devoted of Morathi Battleforce Box 1x Slaughter Queen on Cauldron of Blood (330pts) 1x Bloodwrack Medusa on foot (140pts) 1x Hag Queen on foot (60pts) 10x Witch Elves (100pts) 5x Melusai Blood Sisters (140pts) 10x Khinerai Heartrenders (160pts) Total: [930pts] Idoneth Deepsurge Raiding Party 1x Isharann Tidecaster (100pts) 10x Namarti Thralls (140pts) 10x Namarti Reavers (140pts) 3x Akhelian Guard (160pts) 2x Akhelian Allopexes (280pts) Total: [820pts] Yikes one of the worst deals points-to-cost wise so far! But yeah that's all the lists I came up with looking at the Start Collecting! bundles. But if you know any other roughly £100 lists please be sure to share! Otherwise I'd love feedback on which of these could be semi-viable/reworked to be viable using the Start Collecting bundles. Thanks for taking the time!
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