Hellberg Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, simakover said: so im plannig use katakros 3 crawler 10-10-40 mortek harvester better just cut 10 mortek for now? You can play max 30 mortek now as you can reinforce Battleline only two times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obeisance Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Were there any OBR rule changes? I just got up and I'm about to go to work. No time to watch videos. Waah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverJelly Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Obeisance said: Were there any OBR rule changes? I just got up and I'm about to go to work. No time to watch videos. Waah. Nope. Not even a speculation as to how the rules will fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obeisance Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Looking at the other factions, we got off pretty lightly in the points department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heijoshin Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) The Good: Lieges down Katakros down (Special K stonks!) Stalkers same Harbingers down (only 5 but now counting as 2 on objectives is sweet) Arkan the same is nice. The Bad: Crawler: Kinda expected but with mystic shield changes and all the other +1 stuff flying around, I don't think it needed going up Mortek: again, expected but still stings a little and max 30 is also not the greatest Deathriders: Unnecessary increase I think The Lol: Vokmortian: Seirously, just stop GW. Make him 100 and then maybe I will think about taking him (That's a lie...I won't). The "But why???": Immortis guard: +10? But why?? The ????: Endless spells: Bye bye filling up those last 20-40 points with these, and hello possible triumph! Also Soulstealer Carrion went up by 325%! You poor poor bird Sure, I get because of the whole bound thing its good for us, but because of the new endless spell rules and endless spell max, its not gonna change anything for us to justify these increases. Would rather have lost the bound ability than these changes. The Oh God, my nerf senses are tingling: Lieges and Katakros dropping makes me feel that the FAQ may change up our RPD generation to mean liege keyword heroes do not give an extra RDP Could be good or bad, who knows, but GW often giveth and taketh away and given we got reductions for these units kinda unexpectedly, I do suspect we may see some nerf in some other way. Edited June 18, 2021 by Heijoshin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obeisance Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) Not terrible for us, right? Mortis Praetorians (2000pts even) - Battle Regiment (Unified Drop) Katacross 20 Morteks: Sword 20 Morteks: Sword 10 Morteks: Sword Harvester: Bludgeons - Grand Battery (One free Unleash Hell) Leige Kavalos (-3 Rend Praetor relic) Crawler Crawler 7+8D6 RDP Edited June 18, 2021 by Obeisance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heijoshin Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 40 minutes ago, Obeisance said: Not terrible for us, right? Mortis Praetorians (2000pts even) - Battle Regiment (Unified Drop) Katacross 20 Morteks: Sword 20 Morteks: Sword 10 Morteks: Sword Harvester: Bludgeons - Grand Battery (One free Unleash Hell) Leige Kavalos (-3 Rend Praetor relic) Crawler Crawler 7+8D6 RDP I like it! This will depend on whether an FAQ will allow us to use these generic command abilities, but if so, this will mean that one per game both crawlers can shoot into someone charging your screen because of the Battle Regiment ability not technically being issued and a point not being spent. Noice. If we can't use Unleash Hell, then I guess this is very situational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obeisance Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 I'm assuming we'd be able to use Unleash Hell because it doesn't actually use command points.. and yeah. I imagine people will get blindsided by a free stand and shoot. Question is- do I need magic users, with the hero ability unbind? I've got a Harvester because he's a monster to fulful secondaries. ... As for Grand Strategies, what's actually viable? Sever the Head, Vendetta, Beastmaster, Domain - Trash for us. Hold the Line - Completed if you still have battleline units. This is probably our go-to. Dominating presence - Have more units alive at the end of the game. Also viable. Prized Sorcery - Viable if we run Arkhan, I guess? ... Battle Tactics, so turn by turn.. Broken Ranks - Pick and kill a unit. Killed by a Monster, add 1 CP. Conquer - Pick an objective marker and take it. Slay the Warlord - Kill the general, add a 1 CP if with a monster. Ferocious Advance - Have three units run and stay close by. Extra CP if they're monsters. Bring it Down - Pick and kill a monster. extra CP if it's with a monster. Aggressive Expansion - Pick two objectives not wholy withiny our territory. Take both. Monsterous Takeover - Hold an objective with a monster. Savage Spearhead - Have two units in your enemy territory. Extra CP if there's a monster. ... We reaaaally need to take 1+ Harvesters, it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simakover Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 15 hours ago, baiardo said: as we have suggested previously, you can't have 40mortek for the new reinforcement rule that say: take a minimum unit size, if battleline take that maximum two more times..so max 30mortek in one unit. so i will just cut 10 mortek from 40 to 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simakover Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Obeisance said: Not terrible for us, right? Mortis Praetorians (2000pts even) - Battle Regiment (Unified Drop) Katacross 20 Morteks: Sword 20 Morteks: Sword 10 Morteks: Sword Harvester: Bludgeons - Grand Battery (One free Unleash Hell) Leige Kavalos (-3 Rend Praetor relic) Crawler Crawler 7+8D6 RDP looks solid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baiardo Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 This is mine: Allegiance: Ossiarch Bonereapers MORTIS PREATORIANS LeadersKatakros, Mortarch of the Necropolis (500)Arkhan the Black, Mortarch of Sacrament (360)Mortisan Soulmason (140)Battleline20 x Mortek Guard (260)- Nadirite Blade and Shield20 x Mortek Guard (260)- Nadirite Blade and Shield5 x Kavalos Deathriders (180)- Nadirite Blade and ShieldBehemothsGothizzar Harvester (200)Endless Spells / Terrain / CPsHorrorghast (60)Total: 1960 / 2000 —> 2000/2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 102 I think is a pretty good list, with many possibilities, no ranged units, compensating with magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simakover Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 is there place for 3 crawler for now? im just painted three) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obeisance Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 4 hours ago, baiardo said: I think is a pretty good list, with many possibilities, no ranged units, compensating with magic. Previous incarnation of my list has Arkhan and/or Katacross. I found that his magic wasn't deadly enough, not that great in combat and points too tight to buy him spells. Also good players would abuse Protection and make me teleport off objectives. Arkhan got cut. Double Crawler was amazing though. 1+ hit, extra attack, rerolling ones. So good. My team won a team tournament that year and I went undefeated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Does Arkhan have a place now that he can cast the better Mystic Shield up to 3 times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverJelly Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, Malakithe said: Does Arkhan have a place now that he can cast the better Mystic Shield up to 3 times? I dont think so. Katakros can do to all units in range and you don't have to worry about failing casts or it being unbound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 On 6/18/2021 at 10:34 PM, SilverJelly said: I dont think so. Katakros can do to all units in range and you don't have to worry about failing casts or it being unbound. Yes but Arkhan also provides a decent bit of anti magic and gets monster actions should you need them. Dont get me wrong Katakros is great, but with Arkhan i can play a tough Petrifexx Elite Rend Heavy list and not be locked to Mortis Praetorians 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obeisance Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 So, from a competive standpoint: two questions. a) Do you think we need wizards at all? b) With only the Harvester, is it better to go monster-less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baiardo Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Obeisance said: So, from a competive standpoint: two questions. a) Do you think we need wizards at all? b) With only the Harvester, is it better to go monster-less? IMO, yes, endless spells are going to be a more important element in the game, even a single boneshaper in a list is better than nothing. Same, the monster we have is better than nothing. Best Battlepack for us? Edited June 21, 2021 by baiardo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Obeisance said: So, from a competive standpoint: two questions. I expect both wizards and harvesters will have a role, but until the faction FAQs are out, I don't think there's really a clear answer to competitive questions. A lot of how OBR as a faction play will come down to whether we have access to the core CAs, whether our command abilities are likewise limited to each being used only once a round, whether the +3" move ability is still a CA, whether we can get RDP from the core battalions that give other factions CP, and so on. For example: If we still can't use core command abilities AND our faction command abilities are restricted to once per phase, we won't need nearly as much RDP, meaning less incentive to run lieges, so you might as well run more casters. The fact that lieges all went down in points - including katakros even - makes this rather disconcertingly plausible. That said, so much of the game is tied up in core CAs now that it's hard to imagine they'd exclude an entire faction from that, and if they do let us use core CAs now, then we could gain as many things to do as we'll lose from not being able to do the old things multiple times in the same round, making the now cheaper lieges even more tempting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleboda Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, Sception said: until the faction FAQs are out, I don't think there's really a clear answer to competitive questions. I agree. I'm still painting, but I gotta be honest, with our army taking all of the hits and gaining nearly none of the benefits of the new edition, I'm thinking the whole future of Bonereapers will come down to the FAQ. Until we see that, there's little point in doing any theoryhammer. Edited June 22, 2021 by Sleboda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baiardo Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sleboda said: I agree. I'm still painting, but I gotta be honest, with our army training all of the hits and gaining nearly none of the benefits of the new edition, I'm thinking the whole future of Bonereapers will come down to the FAQ. Until we see that, there's little point in doing any theoryhammer. Me too, considering OBR are 1.5 year old and I see them a bit like IDK but infantry focused instead of cavalry, a (hoping proper/good)FAQ is due. Without any future changes crawler is the unit we'll see less and less, without rend and with the possibilities to increase save plus rally and cap at only 1buff the damage is really limited. Edited June 22, 2021 by baiardo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 I mean, I'm pretty skeptical of OBR's short term prospecrs, but even if the FAQ doesn't do mucb for us, I don't actually expect it'll be a long wait for a 3e book that will rework our mechanics to mesh with 3e even if the faq doesn't. Undead are all about the long game, we can wait out a fallow period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleboda Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 I just read the warscroll for Mir Kainan. I don't normally include Underworlds warbands in my AoS armies, but he really seems like a great addition. Is it just me? Has anyone tried him out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 On 6/20/2021 at 12:58 PM, jhamslam said: Yes but Arkhan also provides a decent bit of anti magic and gets monster actions should you need them. Dont get me wrong Katakros is great, but with Arkhan i can play a tough Petrifexx Elite Rend Heavy list and not be locked to Mortis Praetorians This is exactly what I was thinking of doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 14 hours ago, Sleboda said: I just read the warscroll for Mir Kainan. I don't normally include Underworlds warbands in my AoS armies, but he really seems like a great addition. Is it just me? Has anyone tried him out? I haven't had the chance to play the reapers yet, but I've ordered & assembled a box and they're waiting in line for painting behind my current spite gourds project. 190 points seems like a solid deal for a tough and punchy mortisan caster - basically what a soulreaper wants to be except with offensive & defensive stats much better suited to the front line - that also comes with a mini mortek unit to cap open objectives or do whatever else with. My only real complaint is the forced praetorians keyword. If they had to be legion locked that's the best one, but I would have preferred an open subfaction approach like the vamp warband got. Apparently the reapers are also stupid good in the actual underworlds game? I might have to give that another try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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