Matrindur Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ejecutor said: Checking the data for my Rumour Engines site I've noticed there's quite a decent number of "old" (launched 2-3 years ago) AoS minis that are currently locked inside Vanguard Boxes or even not available at all, like the LRL Alarith Stonemage. Did any of you notice if this is something that happened as a side effect of the site rework? Or is it something that is happening nowadays within the AoS range? An example of Vanguard that includes minis that you cannot buy separately: Vanguard: Daughters of Khaine (warhammer.com) -> Melusai Ironscale Thats something that happened when they released the Vanguard sets. At least I already saw and posted about some of them back then. Might have happened to even more since then. I understand if they don't want both the models themselves and the Vanguard boxes in store to save space but why they also removed them as online only products I don't understand. And I really don't like it. Edited December 28, 2023 by Matrindur 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EonChao Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Ejecutor said: Checking the data for my Rumour Engines site I've noticed there's quite a decent number of "old" (launched 2-3 years ago) AoS minis that are currently locked inside Vanguard Boxes or even not available at all, like the LRL Alarith Stonemage. Did any of you notice if this is something that happened as a side effect of the site rework? Or is it something that is happening nowadays within the AoS range? An example of Vanguard that includes minis that you cannot buy separately: Vanguard: Daughters of Khaine (warhammer.com) -> Melusai Ironscale The idea is that you buy that box set to get the mini, rather than keeping another SKU on the catalogue as well as encourage less optimal purchases (although honestly, most Combat Patrols and Vanguard boxes are reasonable purchases when starting an army unless you have a very cast iron view of what you want model wise). And when they change the boxes the locked heroes do tend to come back to the online store (the Endrinmaster was previously locked to Start Collecting Kharadron Overlords and is now available again by themselves) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lele Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Will we have AOS preview in January 13 or 20 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EonChao Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, lele said: Will we have AOS preview in January 13 or 20 ? GW haven’t announced any previews for the LVO yet so we don’t know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 minute ago, EonChao said: GW haven’t announced any previews for the LVO yet so we don’t know Would be a bit weird if we don't get one, right? It is one of the biggest events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Taylor Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Just now, Ejecutor said: Would be a bit weird if we don't get one, right? It is one of the biggest events. I’m pretty sure there will be one but it will be showing off what has been teased in the 40k and AOS videos this week 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntMan Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Ejecutor said: Checking the data for my Rumour Engines site I've noticed there's quite a decent number of "old" (launched 2-3 years ago) AoS minis that are currently locked inside Vanguard Boxes or even not available at all, like the LRL Alarith Stonemage. Did any of you notice if this is something that happened as a side effect of the site rework? Or is it something that is happening nowadays within the AoS range? An example of Vanguard that includes minis that you cannot buy separately: Vanguard: Daughters of Khaine (warhammer.com) -> Melusai Ironscale Sylvaneth Branchwych is only available in the vanguard. (But you could buy a Branchwraith to use as B'wych instead as it is available on the webstore but no longer has its own rules..) Cities Cogsmith was for ages only available in the start collecting, but now isn't available at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrus Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 49 minutes ago, lele said: Will we have AOS preview in January 13 or 20 ? January 19th las vegas open 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EonChao Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Ejecutor said: Would be a bit weird if we don't get one, right? It is one of the biggest events. Just because it's the normal doesn't mean it will be. I personally expect there to be a preview at the LVO, but until it's announced we don't know. No sense saying "yes there will be a preview on this date" unless it's confirmed. It just leads to more posts asking about why it's not happening if it doesn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrus Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 35 minutes ago, EonChao said: Just because it's the normal doesn't mean it will be. I personally expect there to be a preview at the LVO, but until it's announced we don't know. No sense saying "yes there will be a preview on this date" unless it's confirmed. It just leads to more posts asking about why it's not happening if it doesn't. It was confirmed by Rob the honest wargamer during a recent stream: he got probably already the ticket for the preview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 22 hours ago, Ejecutor said: Not so detailed, but some extra stuff: Seems he is shooting two guns. All I’m seeing is - Edited December 28, 2023 by Kronos 26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Kronos said: All I’m seeingnis - Armand de Vitto 😄 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 5 hours ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said: One of the reasons why I like AoS is that we can be pretty confident that every army will get its turn eventually. Some of the long neglected armies like Seraphon, Soulblight and Cities of Sigmar are now among thr best ranges. I have no doubt dwarves will get a similar amount of attention down the line. True, but that was also the case for Warhammer armies except Bretonnia, How long did Ironjawz wait for a proper update? 6, 7 or 8 years? Seems quite similar as it was before AoS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmorley21 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, Tonhel said: True, but that was also the case for Warhammer armies except Bretonnia, How long did Ironjawz wait for a proper update? 6, 7 or 8 years? Seems quite similar as it was before AoS. No, this is completely false. A lot of WHFB armies waited multiple editions to get a new book. And even getting a single new hero would be unheard of. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, dmorley21 said: No, this is completely false. A lot of WHFB armies waited multiple editions to get a new book. And even getting a single new hero would be unheard of. No, I don't think so. I am going by memory ;-), but I think all Warhammer armies except Bretonnia received a hardcover 8th edition armybook book, which all had a couple of new mini's. Warhammer 8th edition was released in 2010 and End Times started in 2015? Again, I could be wrong, but afaik every army that existed in 7th edition, except Bretonnia received new mini's during warhammer 8th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmorley21 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Just now, Tonhel said: No, I don't think so. I am going by memory ;-), but I think all Warhammer armies except Bretonnia received a hardcover 8th edition armybook book, which all had a couple of new mini's. Warhammer 8th edition was released in 2010 and End Times started in 2015? Again, I could be wrong, but afaik every army that existed in 7th edition, except Bretonnia received new mini's during warhammer 8th. I started end of 5th edition. In that time I played Lizardmen, Vampires, Dwarfs, and Wood Elves. My friends played Orcs & Goblins, Skaven, Tomb Kings, Dark Elves, High Elves, Bretonnia, and Chaos. Some of those armies straight up didn’t get books in 6th and/or 7th. Model releases were very rare. GW is in a much better place for updating times right now. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, dmorley21 said: I started end of 5th edition. In that time I played Lizardmen, Vampires, Dwarfs, and Wood Elves. My friends played Orcs & Goblins, Skaven, Tomb Kings, Dark Elves, High Elves, Bretonnia, and Chaos. Some of those armies straight up didn’t get books in 6th and/or 7th. Model releases were very rare. GW is in a much better place for updating times right now. All of them, except Bretonnia got new 8th edition armybooks + mini's during warhammer 8th edition. So I don't think there is a real difference between some AoS armies and Warhammer armies. Now I looked it up. 😉 All armies, except the poor Bretonnians received mini's and a new armybook during the 5 year lifespan of Warhammer 8th edition. The list below was alone for your armies and your friend only had bad luck with his Bretonnians. Which is fixed thanks to TOW ;-). Infact during 8th edition was not worse or better than what AoS is getting now. The huge difference is that a decade has past technology wise. Lizardmen - Kroq-Gar/Carnosaur/Troglodon + Saurus Scar-Veteran/Oldblood Lizardmen - Terradon Riders/Ripperdactyl Riders/Tiktaq'to Lizardmen - Bastiladon Lizardmen - Skink High Priest Lizardmen - Gor-Rok Lizardmen - Tetto'eko Lizardmen - Saurus Oldblood Dwarfs - Hammerers/Longbeards Dwarfs - Dragon Slayer Dwarfs - Belegar Ironhammer Dwarfs - Ironbreakers/Irondrakes Dwarfs - Gyrocopter/Gyrobomber Dwarfs - Runelord Dwarfs - Grimm Burloksson Vampire Counts - Coven Throne/Mortis Engine Vampire Counts - Black Knights/Hexwraiths Vampire Counts - Vargheists/Crypt Horrors Vampire Counts - Wight King Vampire Counts - Krell Vampire Counts - Isabella von Carstein Wood Elves - Treeman/Treeman Ancient/Durthu Wood Elves - Araloth Wood Elves - Wild Riders/Sisters of the Thorn Wood Elves - Eternal Guard/Wildwood Rangers Edited December 28, 2023 by Tonhel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmorley21 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Tonhel said: All of them, except Bretonnia got new 8th edition armybooks + mini's during warhammer 8th edition. So I don't think there is a real difference between some AoS armies and Warhammer armies. Now I looked it up. 😉 All armies, except the poor Bretonnians received mini's and a new armybook during the 5 year lifespan of Warhammer 8th edition. The list below was alone for your armies and your friend only had bad luck with his Bretonnians. Which is fixed thanks to TOW ;-). Infact during 8th edition was not worse or better than what AoS is getting now. The huge difference is that a decade has past technology wise. Lizardmen - Kroq-Gar/Carnosaur/Troglodon + Saurus Scar-Veteran/Oldblood Lizardmen - Terradon Riders/Ripperdactyl Riders/Tiktaq'to Lizardmen - Bastiladon Lizardmen - Skink High Priest Lizardmen - Gor-Rok Lizardmen - Tetto'eko Lizardmen - Saurus Oldblood Dwarfs - Hammerers/Longbeards Dwarfs - Dragon Slayer Dwarfs - Belegar Ironhammer Dwarfs - Ironbreakers/Irondrakes Dwarfs - Gyrocopter/Gyrobomber Dwarfs - Runelord Dwarfs - Grimm Burloksson Vampire Counts - Coven Throne/Mortis Engine Vampire Counts - Black Knights/Hexwraiths Vampire Counts - Vargheists/Crypt Horrors Vampire Counts - Wight King Vampire Counts - Krell Vampire Counts - Isabella von Carstein Wood Elves - Treeman/Treeman Ancient/Durthu Wood Elves - Araloth Wood Elves - Wild Riders/Sisters of the Thorn Wood Elves - Eternal Guard/Wildwood Rangers 8th was one edition and the one I never really played due to college/being a young professional. What about 5th, 6th, and 7th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, dmorley21 said: 8th was one edition and the one I never really played due to college/being a young professional. What about 5th, 6th, and 7th? Lol, ok, than you shouldn't say that my post was completly false, as you were ignoring a whole edition that existed before the End times. The release list for Warhammer 8th edition + End Times is quite impressive. During 8th edition GW managed to update in 5 years all armies except Bretonnia with a new armybook and units/characters. Not single heroes releases as some AoS armies recieved. People seem to think GW released nothing before AoS. For an Idoneth player the AoS release schedule is not better than it was during Warhammer 8th edition. Edited December 28, 2023 by Tonhel 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michu Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Tonhel said: All of them, except Bretonnia got new 8th edition armybooks + mini's during warhammer 8th edition. So I don't think there is a real difference between some AoS armies and Warhammer armies. Now I looked it up. 😉 All armies, except the poor Bretonnians received mini's and a new armybook during the 5 year lifespan of Warhammer 8th edition. The list below was alone for your armies and your friend only had bad luck with his Bretonnians. Which is fixed thanks to TOW ;-). Infact during 8th edition was not worse or better than what AoS is getting now. The huge difference is that a decade has past technology wise. Lizardmen - Kroq-Gar/Carnosaur/Troglodon + Saurus Scar-Veteran/Oldblood Lizardmen - Terradon Riders/Ripperdactyl Riders/Tiktaq'to Lizardmen - Bastiladon Lizardmen - Skink High Priest Lizardmen - Gor-Rok Lizardmen - Tetto'eko Lizardmen - Saurus Oldblood Dwarfs - Hammerers/Longbeards Dwarfs - Dragon Slayer Dwarfs - Belegar Ironhammer Dwarfs - Ironbreakers/Irondrakes Dwarfs - Gyrocopter/Gyrobomber Dwarfs - Runelord Dwarfs - Grimm Burloksson Vampire Counts - Coven Throne/Mortis Engine Vampire Counts - Black Knights/Hexwraiths Vampire Counts - Vargheists/Crypt Horrors Vampire Counts - Wight King Vampire Counts - Krell Vampire Counts - Isabella von Carstein Wood Elves - Treeman/Treeman Ancient/Durthu Wood Elves - Araloth Wood Elves - Wild Riders/Sisters of the Thorn Wood Elves - Eternal Guard/Wildwood Rangers Absolutely untrue. Beastmen and Skaven used 7th ed books till the end of the 8th ed. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, michu said: Absolutely untrue. Beastmen and Skaven used 7th ed books till the end of the 8th ed. Yes, you are correct with the armybooks. Both had still their 7th edition softcover. But both received mini's during the 5 year lifespan of 8th edition. Skaven - Hell Pit Abomination (SP) Skaven - Warp Lightning Cannon/Plagueclaw Catapult (SP & CG) Skaven - Ikit Claw (SP) Skaven - Tretch Craventail (SP) Skaven - Doom-Flayer (GB) Skaven - Warp-Grinder (SP) Skaven - Warlord Skaven - Warlock Engineer Skaven - Warpfire Thrower Skaven - Poison Wind Mortar Skaven - Packmaster Skaven - Rat Ogres (2) Skaven - Skreech Verminking/Vermin Lord Skaven - Thanquol & Boneripper Skaven - Warlord Skaven - Grey Seer Skaven - Stormfiends Chaos - Ghorgon/Cygor (AM) Chaos - Jaberslythe Chaos - Great Bray-Shaman Cockatrice Edit: And beastmen had a major update at the end of 7th edition. Infact Skaven and Beastmen were the last 7th edition big releases before 8th dropped. Both were 2009 and 2010 releases. Warhammer 8th was released summer 2010. So it's still more or less that everything got new armybooks and miniatures from 2009 until 2015. Again with exception of Bretonnia. Edit2: It always sucks a bit to have your armybook / battletome as being the last one in an edition cycle. Edited December 28, 2023 by Tonhel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmorley21 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 @Tonhel I misunderstood your original post. Still, AoS is in a lot better shape than WHFB was for most of its life with updates. 8th/End Times was awesome in hindsight, but it was not the norm for WHFB. It was also 5 years as opposed to 3. I feel for IDK players and hope GW addresses some of these factions sooner than later. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, dmorley21 said: @Tonhel I misunderstood your original post. Still, AoS is in a lot better shape than WHFB was for most of its life with updates. 8th/End Times was awesome in hindsight, but it was not the norm for WHFB. It was also 5 years as opposed to 3. I feel for IDK players and hope GW addresses some of these factions sooner than later. Warhammer 8th edition was pretty great until GW decided to blow it up. 😄, but yes. How GW handles AoS is generally a lot better than what they ever did with Warhammer. Anyway, with the revival of TOW under the umbrella of their Specialist games department, everything is looking really good AoS/TOW wise. But the miniature release schedule during Warhammer 8th edition was not better or worse than the release schedule AoS has now. Some armies always have bad luck release wise. Edited December 28, 2023 by Tonhel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EonChao Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 hour ago, cyrus said: It was confirmed by Rob the honest wargamer during a recent stream: he got probably already the ticket for the preview. I've not watched the stream but even then it's a 3rd party source. GW hasn't mentioned a preview, and LVO hasn't listed tickets for a preview for sale on their website so it is, for all intensive purposes, likely but not confirmed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lost Sigmarite Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 39 minutes ago, Tonhel said: All of them, except Bretonnia got new 8th edition armybooks + mini's during warhammer 8th edition. So I don't think there is a real difference between some AoS armies and Warhammer armies. Now I looked it up. 😉 All armies, except the poor Bretonnians received mini's and a new armybook during the 5 year lifespan of Warhammer 8th edition. The list below was alone for your armies and your friend only had bad luck with his Bretonnians. Which is fixed thanks to TOW ;-). Infact during 8th edition was not worse or better than what AoS is getting now. The huge difference is that a decade has past technology wise. Lizardmen - Kroq-Gar/Carnosaur/Troglodon + Saurus Scar-Veteran/Oldblood Lizardmen - Terradon Riders/Ripperdactyl Riders/Tiktaq'to Lizardmen - Bastiladon Lizardmen - Skink High Priest Lizardmen - Gor-Rok Lizardmen - Tetto'eko Lizardmen - Saurus Oldblood Dwarfs - Hammerers/Longbeards Dwarfs - Dragon Slayer Dwarfs - Belegar Ironhammer Dwarfs - Ironbreakers/Irondrakes Dwarfs - Gyrocopter/Gyrobomber Dwarfs - Runelord Dwarfs - Grimm Burloksson Vampire Counts - Coven Throne/Mortis Engine Vampire Counts - Black Knights/Hexwraiths Vampire Counts - Vargheists/Crypt Horrors Vampire Counts - Wight King Vampire Counts - Krell Vampire Counts - Isabella von Carstein Wood Elves - Treeman/Treeman Ancient/Durthu Wood Elves - Araloth Wood Elves - Wild Riders/Sisters of the Thorn Wood Elves - Eternal Guard/Wildwood Rangers Even if a decade has passed, most of these kits are still used in Seraphon/SBGL/Cities/Sylvaneth armies and still look great next to the proper AoS sculpts these armies have gotten since. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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