Stromberg Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) Ok thanks guys. I tweaked the list a bit and will try it via tabletop Simulator this week (hope fully). I wonder if it is strong Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsLeadersLord-Celestant on Stardrake (500)- Celestine HammerLord-Castellant (120)Knight-Incantor (120)Anointed of Asuryan on Frostheart Phoenix (320)- AlliesBattleline5 x Judicators (140)- Skybolt Bows5 x Judicators (140)- Skybolt Bows5 x Liberators (90)- Warhammer & ShieldUnits2 x Concussors (220)20 x Phoenix Guard (320)- AlliesEndless Spells / Terrain / CPsDais Arcanum (30)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 640 / 400Wounds: 99 Staunch defender +1 safe, artifact for lord castellant Hits of 6s rerolled, phoenix - 1 wound sounds nice. Edit: since i want the enemy 6s Hit Reroll artifact for the lord castellant i still cant use a stormhost right? Cause if i take a stormhost ill have to take that artifact. Edited November 10, 2020 by Stromberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Stromberg said: Edit: since i want the enemy 6s Hit Reroll artifact for the lord castellant i still cant use a stormhost right? Cause if i take a stormhost ill have to take that artifact. Yes: either you don't take a Stormhost (so you are free to choose your artifact) or you need to include a battalion (so you get another artifact on top of the Stormhost one) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchleuderMann2 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) Played A Game against Sylvaneth today. Since I knew my enemy I could guess he would take a lot of monsters and so he did, he basically run Alarielle, Drycha, Treelord Ancient and Spirit of Durthu and could have set up another Treelord aswell. Therefore I decided to play 4 Ballista with Ordinator and Azyros, heraldor against his trees and incantor for an auto bann. I decided to run Gotrek and fill the rest with liberators to have a screen for Ballista. While he surrendered due to my dubble turn (which allowed Gotrek an the Ballistas to do massive Damage) I wonder about several things. 1. Could Astral Templars be a good choice for Stormkeep since you move before the turn? (Therefore I would need to know if shield of civilization applies if I hadn't had a movement phase where I could not move) Also there are quite a lot of Lists that have some important monsters like Lrl, tzeentch and not to mention the all loved Lizards... 2. What about Ballistas in general? I feel like with the 6" pre-game movement they could be viable to give the opponent's a reason to charge into our Liberator squads? 3. As mentioned, Stormkeep armies are going to be slow, how about adding Gotrek? He never really fit into my normal playstyle since battle was most of the times already over when he arrived but now he could really give us the punch that only stormcast lists are likely gonna miss in a non anvilstrike army... I'm interested in your opinion, could that actually be something strong? Or just take the new battalion and try survive as long as possible? Edited November 10, 2020 by SchleuderMann2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 39 minutes ago, SchleuderMann2 said: Played A Game against Sylvaneth today. Since I knew my enemy I could guess he would take a lot of monsters and so he did, he basically run Alarielle, Drycha, Treelord Ancient and Spirit of Durthu and could have set up another Treelord aswell. Therefore I decided to play 4 Ballista with Ordinator and Azyros, heraldor against his trees and incantor for an auto bann. I decided to run Gotrek and fill the rest with liberators to have a screen for Ballista. While he surrendered due to my dubble turn (which allowed Gotrek an the Ballistas to do massive Damage) I wonder about several things. 1. Could Astral Templars be a good choice for Stormkeep since you move before the turn? (Therefore I would need to know if shield of civilization applies if I hadn't had a movement phase where I could not move) Also there are quite a lot of Lists that have some important monsters like Lrl, tzeentch and not to mention the all loved Lizards... 2. What about Ballistas in general? I feel like with the 6" pre-game movement they could be viable to give the opponent's a reason to charge into our Liberator squads? 3. As mentioned, Stormkeep armies are going to be slow, how about adding Gotrek? He never really fit into my normal playstyle since battle was most of the times already over when he arrived but now he could really give us the punch that only stormcast lists are likely gonna miss in a non anvilstrike army... I'm interested in your opinion, could that actually be something strong? Or just take the new battalion and try survive as long as possible? Yes. Stand fast only cares about moving in the movement phase. Anything that moves em in hero phase or any other phase is fine. Relictor stonks are going up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) Dracoths were already good in Astral Templars, but now you can give them Staunch Defender too Astral Templars Frostheart Phoenix - General: Staunch Defender, Artefact: Mirror Shield Lord-Castellant Lord-Ordinator Knight-Incantor - Spell: Celestial Blades 1x6 Desolator 3x5 Liberator 4x Ballista 1980/2000 Hmm maybe ballistas arent the best choice here, you don't get to deep strike or use the 5" move command trait if you take Staunch Defender Edited November 11, 2020 by PJetski 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Heres a stupid list Stormkeep - Astral Templars Steam Tank with Commander - Staunch Defender, Mirror Shield Steam Tank with Commander Lord-Ordinator Knight-Azyros Liberators Liberators Liberators 3x Gyrocopter Grundstok Gunhauler Grundstok Gunhauler Grundstok Gunhauler Celestar Ballista Celestar Ballista Celestar Ballista Celestar Ballista 1980/2000, 15 units (3 COS), 390/400 ally points 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosa Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) Here is also a small idea for a Griffon within Stormcast. I always liked the model, so why not. It is far away from competitive but as a cool all-rounder list for some friendly matches it should be fine. ................... Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals - Stormhost: Celestial Vindicators LEADERS Freeguild General on Griffon (320) - Hammer Lord-Arcanum on Gryph-Charger (200) - General - Command Trait: Single-minded Fury - Artefact: Stormrage Blade - Spell: Chain Lightning - Mount Trait: Wind Runner Lord-Castellant (120) Lord-Exorcist (90) - Spell: Celestial Blades UNITS 3 x Aetherwings (40) 10 x Sequitors (240) - Stormsmite Mauls and Soulshields - 5 x Stormsmite Greatmaces 10 x Sequitors (240) - Stormsmite Mauls and Soulshields - 5 x Stormsmite Greatmaces 5 x Judicators (140) - 1*Skybolt Bows 10 x Protectors (340) - 2 x Starsoul Maces 5 x Evocators (210) - Lore of Invigoration: Celestial Blades ENDLESS SPELLS / TERRAIN / COMMAND POINTS Extra Command Point (50) Edited November 11, 2020 by rosa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 hour ago, PJetski said: Heres a stupid list Stormkeep - Astral Templars Steam Tank with Commander - Staunch Defender, Mirror Shield Steam Tank with Commander Lord-Ordinator Knight-Azyros Liberators Liberators Liberators 3x Gyrocopter Grundstok Gunhauler Grundstok Gunhauler Grundstok Gunhauler Celestar Ballista Celestar 1 hour ago, PJetski said: Heres a stupid list Stormkeep - Astral Templars Steam Tank with Commander - Staunch Defender, Mirror Shield Steam Tank with Commander Lord-Ordinator Knight-Azyros Liberators Liberators Liberators 3x Gyrocopter Grundstok Gunhauler Grundstok Gunhauler Grundstok Gunhauler Celestar Ballista Celestar Ballista Celestar Ballista Celestar Ballista 1980/2000, 15 units (3 COS), 390/400 ally points Ballista Celestar Ballista Celestar Ballista 1980/2000, 15 units (3 COS), 390/400 ally points Expensive too lol, them units aint cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 On a side note, im not enjoying how good shooting has become. I understand its part of the game, but i started playing this because i wanted to get away from 40k. And despite enjoying the double turn mechanic, getting double turned by a shooting army is just game over. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchleuderMann2 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 3 hours ago, PJetski said: Dracoths were already good in Astral Templars, but now you can give them Staunch Defender too Astral Templars Frostheart Phoenix - General: Staunch Defender, Artefact: Mirror Shield Lord-Castellant Lord-Ordinator Knight-Incantor - Spell: Celestial Blades 1x6 Desolator 3x5 Liberator 4x Ballista 1980/2000 Hmm maybe ballistas arent the best choice here, you don't get to deep strike or use the 5" move command trait if you take Staunch Defender Yes without pregame movement Ballistas will be way too slow. Anyway I expect this mechanic being faq'ed and then it will be quite a possibility I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchleuderMann2 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 hour ago, jhamslam said: On a side note, im not enjoying how good shooting has become. I understand its part of the game, but i started playing this because i wanted to get away from 40k. And despite enjoying the double turn mechanic, getting double turned by a shooting army is just game over. I totally agree, however meta is changing quick in my opinion. I remember last year when it was all about surviving heavy melee Lists from fyreslayer, slaneesh, fec, khorne and Obr. Probably (hopefully) in a year or so there will be a totally different situation 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 23 minutes ago, SchleuderMann2 said: I totally agree, however meta is changing quick in my opinion. I remember last year when it was all about surviving heavy melee Lists from fyreslayer, slaneesh, fec, khorne and Obr. Probably (hopefully) in a year or so there will be a totally different situation But it does feel a bit like its always on the extreme side of things. But maybe that’s unpreventable who knows. from hordes, magic, activation wars, shooting. It’s all very all or nothing. Balanced list have not yet been the top dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Shooting has been the meta since 2nd edition began, you guys are just catching up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommissarRotke Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 On 11/7/2020 at 10:51 AM, PJetski said: Bringing a Cities unit as your general allows you to take Staunch Defender even if you pick a stormhost (somebody please correct me if I'm wrong about this) so I hope everyone has a frostheart Phoenix ready to go. https://www.goonhammer.com/broken-realms-morathi-review/#Stormcast_Eternals says this is possible but likely to get errata'd or otherwise made less attractive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) It's not a "charitable interpretation" its just using the rules as they are written. Other armies that can take units outside their regular allegiance (Tempest Eye in COS, Barak-Thryng in KO, are there any others?) require specific keywords and/or specify that those added units cannot be the general or count as battleline. As you can see there is no consistency in these rules - DUARDIN Barak-Thryng units cannot be the general, while KHARADRON Tempest Eye units can be the general. Stormcast do not currently have any of these restrictions. Stormkeeps do not grant any keywords but they "count as" (an ill-defined term) stormcast units when using command abilities which is already different from the other examples. They might errata it in the future but that would be a strange thing to do with 3rd edition only a few months away that will almost certainly invalidate all the rules in Broken Realms. Edited November 11, 2020 by PJetski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchleuderMann2 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 3 hours ago, PJetski said: Shooting has been the meta since 2nd edition began, you guys are just catching up now I don't know, activation wars was more about who has more tools to fight first in melee phase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 minute ago, SchleuderMann2 said: I don't know, activation wars was more about who has more tools to fight first in melee phase Theyve switched out one non interacting mechanic for another one. Combat atleast alternates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizrah Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) "Stormcast got some kickass battalions out of this and I think fans of Stormcast Eternals will be very happy with this book." What are these guys taking? Did they even played a single game as SCE? LOL Edited November 12, 2020 by Nizrah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 3 hours ago, SchleuderMann2 said: I don't know, activation wars was more about who has more tools to fight first in melee phase The answer to melee arms race was to not participate in the melee arms race Anvilstrike was doing well until teleporting shooting armies became more commonplace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nizrah said: "Stormcast got some kickass battalions out of this and I think fans of Stormcast Eternals will be very happy with this book." What are these guys taking? Did they even played a single game as SCE? LOL The one battalion that has me interested is the Veritant one. It says Redeemers. Meaning we can take sequitors. Now idk how the rule are worded here? @PJetski , correct me if im wrong. But wouldnt this allow us to redeploy based on who we know is going first? If we go first, deploy in their face and hit something hard with 20 sequitors Alternatively, redeploy 20 judicators and hit something with 40 shots each , twice Edited November 12, 2020 by jhamslam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evantas Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 2 hours ago, jhamslam said: The one battalion that has me interested is the Veritant one. It says Redeemers. Meaning we can take sequitors. Now idk how the rule are worded here? @PJetski , correct me if im wrong. But wouldnt this allow us to redeploy based on who we know is going first? If we go first, deploy in their face and hit something hard with 20 sequitors Alternatively, redeploy 20 judicators and hit something with 40 shots each , twice I'll note that raptors are justicars too, so you can use those instead of judicators, they're more effective shooting. The dogs, if I'm not wrong, all gain +2 attacks as long as the Lord Veritant is within 3' as well? So soften your charge targets then potentially rip them up with the dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stromberg Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Good morning guys, I got a question regarding the Celestant on stardrake. If i Pick the stardrake in combat Phase, first i Do is pile in. After pile in i can bite with cavernous jaws. Lets say i kill 3 models. Question : Do i attack with my other Weapons first and then remove all models together or Do i remove the models immediately after the c jaws? Is it possible to get out of range of an enemy unit because of the jaws because i remove some models? I hope you understand what i mean. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucur Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Yes, as the bites are made after pile in but before the attacks, removing models might put you outside weapon's range or even 3in engagement range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 49 minutes ago, Stromberg said: Good morning guys, I got a question regarding the Celestant on stardrake. If i Pick the stardrake in combat Phase, first i Do is pile in. After pile in i can bite with cavernous jaws. Lets say i kill 3 models. Question : Do i attack with my other Weapons first and then remove all models together or Do i remove the models immediately after the c jaws? Is it possible to get out of range of an enemy unit because of the jaws because i remove some models? I hope you understand what i mean. Thanks in advance. The Cavernous Jaws effect is resolved after pile-in and before the attacks, so I'd say you have to remove the models before the attack sequence. This also means that you should be careful with your targeting and keep at least one model in range for your attacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, jhamslam said: If we go first, deploy in their face and hit something hard with 20 sequitors Yes but how do you plan to guarantee that charge? You're still 9" from the enemy and without scions (cause you have to be in the Stormkeep for the battalion) you can't use Gavriel, which leaves you with... cogs? EDIT: my bad, you redeploy BEFORE the battle begins, so you move at your leisure and charge 4" Edited November 12, 2020 by Marcvs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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