thundering Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 The title kind of says it all; are there competitive low model count armies? I had been looking at Beastclaw Raiders but with the recent changes I've been told they don't quite deliver on the table anymore. I was also told some of the forgeworld monsters are pretty effective, but again, nothing conclusive. Assuming faction doesn't matter, what are some strong competitive low-model-count armies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucio Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Nurgle can be pretty low model count if you focus on Blightkings, Pustgoyle Blightkings and Plague Drones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundercake Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Ironjawz? I don't know much about them but it seems that they are focused on small numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Taylor Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 What's your definition of low model count? For some it could be 100 models others 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundering Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 I mean like big beasts and large base models. Monsters, monstrous cavalry. Something where I'm not setting up 100 bloodletters. And something comparatively competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemoVonUtopia Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I have had decent success with a small Clan Skryre list. It had about 20 models before I started adding in some clanrats. I would imagine that Chamber Extremis stormcast would be an option or ogres. I would think that it really depends on what you consider low model and competitive. My skryre lists tend to struggle with objective games because it is easy to outnumber even in straight up fights I sometimes get ground down by numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tittliewinks22 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Khorne Bloodbound recently had a low model count list Had Lord of Khorne on Juggernaut and 9 Skullcrushers iirc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svnvaldez Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Why not take a look at top placing armies at large events. You will get a better feel for whats competitive and then can pick the kind of list that suits you. The current meta is large numbers of infantry models (I play destruction and strongly believe that the best destro list is a hundred model kunning rukk) but there are a few lists that have had success that are either low model count or have large monsters/cav. Bad Dice and AoS Shorts both have army lists posted. Take a look at say CanCon, LVO, Masters Lists, etc... You will also want placings to go with the lists so if they are not sorted like LVOs you will need to google the event results and match players to lists. http://baddice.co.uk/lists/ https://aosshorts.com/useful-resources/age-of-sigmar-tournament-list-archive/ Just as an example this list took 8th at LVO (93 players) and only has 34 models Allegiance: Seraphon Leaders Lord Kroak (450) - General Saurus Astrolith Bearer (160) Skink Priest (80) - Priestly Trappings Saurus Eternity Warden (140) - Artefact : Incandescent Rectrices Units 15 x Saurus Guard (300) 5 x Saurus Guard (100) 5 x Saurus Guard (100) 4 x Razordons (160) Behemoths Bastiladon (280) Battalions Eternal Starhost (130) Scenery Balewind Vortex (100) Total: 2000 / 2000 And this list took tenth and had lots of monster cav and low model count: Allegiance: Khorne Leaders Lord Of Khorne On Juggernaut (140) - General - Command Trait : Disciple of Khorne - Artefact : Gorecleaver Bloodstoker (80) Slaughterpriest with Hackblade and Wrathhammer (100) - Artefact : The Brazen Rune - Blood Blessing : Bronzed Flesh Slaughterpriest with Hackblade and Wrathhammer (100) - Blood Blessing : Killing Frenzy Slaughterpriest with Hackblade and Wrathhammer (100) - Blood Blessing : Killing Frenzy Bloodsecrator (120) - Artefact : The Blood-forged Armour Units 5 x Blood Warriors (100) -Goreaxe & Gorefist 10 x Bloodreavers (70) -Meatripper Axes 3 x Mighty Skullcrushers (140) -Bloodglaives 3 x Mighty Skullcrushers (140) -Bloodglaives 3 x Mighty Skullcrushers (140) -Bloodglaives 3 x Khorgoraths (240) 2 x Khorgoraths (160) Battalions Gore Pilgrims (180) Brass Stampede (180) Total: 1990 / 2000 And this list is a little higher on the model count but has lots of monsters taking 4th at LVO Allegiance: Order Leaders Loremaster (100) Luminark Of Hysh With White Battlemage (240) Battlemage (100) Anointed Of Asuryan On Frostheart Phoenix (240) - General - Command Trait : Inspiring - Artefact : Quicksilver Potion Anointed Of Asuryan On Frostheart Phoenix (240) - Command Trait : Inspiring Skink Starpriest (80) Units 10 x Arkanaut Company (120) 10 x Arkanaut Company (120) 40 x Skinks (200) -Meteoric Javelins & Star Bucklers Behemoths Dread Saurian (380) War Machines Helstorm Rocket Battery (180) Total: 2000 / 2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olincay Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Stormcasts, most people run a star drake which instantly takes up 600 points also any dracov cav is quite expensive and really effective. You'd probably be pushing around less then 30 minis in a current meta stormcast build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanatos Ares Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 I’ve had a pretty successful run with a 26 model death army. Decent win/loss ratio against competitive Tzeentch, BCR etc... not figured out how to beat Kunnin Rukk yet tho ??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundering Posted March 1, 2018 Author Share Posted March 1, 2018 Nobody seems to be giving me any sort of definitive answers. Are there any lists that field fewer than 30 models competitively? 20? 10? That's what I'm asking. I am aware of the LVO lists. I'm asking if there are any with an even lower count than that. Actual lists, mind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Num Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 NZ master : 37 models https://aosshorts.com/masterclass-julien-nz-master/ Replace the 10 plague monks or 10 gutter runners with some more warpfire or warp lightning cannons if you please In the podcast he explains why so few models and why he still needs some chaff in form of gutter runners and plague monks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuneBrush Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 43 minutes ago, thundering said: Are there any lists that field fewer than 30 models competitively? 20? 10? That's what I'm asking. I'm not sure you're going to find something that's super competitive with as low a model count as you're looking at. Last year the answer would have been a resounding Beast Claw Raiders, however since the Generals Handbook 2017 they no longer have the same edge and most of the more competitive armies field larger units. What's your thinking behind wanting to keep the model count low? Is it financial, transport or because you don't want to paint lots of models? If it's the later some of the larger models can take longer to paint than a unit of 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradifer Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 The game has changed a bit, and sometimes having high model count unit like Skeletons or Bloodletters is what makes certain armies strong. That combined with whatever else they offer. Most death lists want at least 40 skeletons, because they're really good. If you want it to be competitive you might have to stretch up to 30-40 models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olincay Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 10 hours ago, thundering said: Nobody seems to be giving me any sort of definitive answers. Are there any lists that field fewer than 30 models competitively? 20? 10? That's what I'm asking. I am aware of the LVO lists. I'm asking if there are any with an even lower count than that. Actual lists, mind you. Here are some screen shots from afew stormcast lists that were are cancon this year. Not all lists are like these obviously BUT the winners list is in this mix below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svnvaldez Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Here is a short answer to is there a "Competitive Low-Model-Count" army : No Skaven Skryre is probably the smallest decent list you can write. You are either going to take the opponent off on a double turn or lose. Its only a mid table list in a big event (probably worse than that) but if you are just playing local stuff it can do alright. Allegiance: Skaven Skryre Leaders Arch Warlock (140) - General Warlock Engineer (100) Warlock Engineer (100) Battleline 3 x Stormfiends (300) - Skryre Battleline 3 x Stormfiends (300) - Skryre Battleline 3 x Stormfiends (300) - Skryre Battleline Units 1 x Warp Grinder Weapon Team (100) 1 x Warp Grinder Weapon Team (100) 1 x Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team (70) 1 x Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team (70) Battalions Clan Skryre (100) Gautfyre Skorch (150) Gautfyre Skorch (150) Total: 1980 / 2000 Allies: 0 / 400 Wounds: 82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick907 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 My 2000 point KO list is only like 55 models. Ships are expensive and the Edrin-Riggers are too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradifer Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 IronJaws Brute Spam with a Maw Krusha and 2-4 heroes can work Stormcast lists focused on Stardrake and Dracoth guard as linked above. The Skaven Clan Skyre shooting lists. Sylvaneth doesn't really run a ton of models based on how you build the list. You could do a monster based list for Death/Destruction/Chaos/Order - Just get 4 big behemoths, battleline, and some supporting units. Death based on Blood Knights or monster mash, both are lower model count. Pure Nighthaunt lists are usually less than 40 models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulsmith Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Not sure on the competitive side but everchosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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